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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Income inequality isn't a problem, unless those at the bottom are being prevented from making more.

That is the problem. There is less opportunity. It's harder to get a high quality education, a gateway to success. Most middle class jobs pay less, in real terms.

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When did the bailouts start? Oh, yeah, under Bush. It's a good thing Bushie had that R House and R Senate to get those things passed.

Pst.. he did have that R House.

pst... nuh uh.

OOps... you are right. The seats flipped that election.... but as always, everyone includes the Blue Dogs... who were anything but party loyal.
http://www.mydd.com/2005/4/28/congressional-loyalty-scorecards-part-four-blue-dog-democrats
This question brings to the forefront an even more important question; are the claims made by the Blue Dogs supported by evidence? In my research, I�ve shown that in the 104th and the 110 th Congress the BDC has voted more conservative than their counterparts, as reported by NTU scores and ATU scores, while remaining significantly lower than the average of non-Blue Dog Democrats in terms of party unity scores. The NOMINATE scores, additionally, have proved to show that Blue Dogs are indeed more conservative than their counterparts on the -1 to 1 spectrum
Which is why they are on their way out

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Income inequality isn't a problem, unless those at the bottom are being prevented from making more.

That is the problem. There is less opportunity. It's harder to get a high quality education, a gateway to success. Most middle class jobs pay less, in real terms.

The opportunities are there. They may not be easy, but they are there.

I posit that Government involvement in higher education has led to the skyrocketing of costs of higher education.

Could inflation be the reason behind the lowered rise in real term pay?

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82% voted for Tarp of the BDC. Something I didnt like myself, but I didnt live in a red state so I have no say about them being there or not. My point is... Dems dont all walk in lock step, as much as it pisses R's off that we dont.
But to state that the Dems have absolute control of the House, when its obvious we dont, shows just how much you dont know about the parties.. at least mine.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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Income inequality isn't a problem, unless those at the bottom are being prevented from making more.

That is the problem. There is less opportunity. It's harder to get a high quality education, a gateway to success. Most middle class jobs pay less, in real terms.

The opportunities are there. They may not be easy, but they are there.
I posit that Government involvement in higher education has led to the skyrocketing of costs of higher education.
Could inflation be the reason behind the lowered rise in real term pay?

Your posit is wrong. Government has always been involved in higher education. You might want to google 'land grant university'
If pay raises simply kept up with inflation then pay would be declining in real terms. The real problem is the employers have so much power, due to outsourcing and declining unions, that they can simply pay less for the same work.

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You do every time you point out that the Democrats had control of Congress. Again, its not the "control" the Republicans have... you know... the goose-step kind.

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And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

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And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

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And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

This started out by you claiming income inequality wasn't a problem. When the difficulty of getting an education comes up you blame the government despite the fact that public education is much more affordable than private. Now you're claiming the rising cost of education is because educators are scamming the government.
Are you trying to present a right wing caricature?

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And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

Yanno, it dont matter who finances it, the costs go up.  By god, do you know anywhere besides wages that costs are going down?  Anywhere?

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After no child left behind, cuts in education, treating teachers like runaway slaves, and whatnot, we are way behind the world in math and science, and there ain't much in the way of Americans can read a map or have any knowledge of the countries around us.

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We are competing on a global scale, and we are getting our ass handed us.   What is going to have us on good firm footing, if we throw out education to the hinterlands?  

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And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

This started out by you claiming income inequality wasn't a problem. When the difficulty of getting an education comes up you blame the government despite the fact that public education is much more affordable than private. Now you're claiming the rising cost of education is because educators are scamming the government.
Are you trying to present a right wing caricature?

Let's make sure you are talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about higher education, not K-12.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

This started out by you claiming income inequality wasn't a problem. When the difficulty of getting an education comes up you blame the government despite the fact that public education is much more affordable than private. Now you're claiming the rising cost of education is because educators are scamming the government.
Are you trying to present a right wing caricature?

Let's make sure you are talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about higher education, not K-12.

So am I.

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
And the further they get into financing it, the higher costs are going to go. The Uni's know that the Feds are a source of megabucks.

This started out by you claiming income inequality wasn't a problem. When the difficulty of getting an education comes up you blame the government despite the fact that public education is much more affordable than private. Now you're claiming the rising cost of education is because educators are scamming the government.
Are you trying to present a right wing caricature?

Let's make sure you are talking about what I'm talking about. I'm talking about higher education, not K-12.

So am I.

Are you telling me that universities aren't always looking for a way to bring in more money? You don't think that raising rates isn't an easy way to do that? Salaries rise - and rightly so - requiring more money coming in. The costs of upkeep, utilities, etc. go up, requiring more money. There's nothing wrong with that. But, is that what's happening? Or, are Universities adding buildings, etc. to keep on the lists of "best places to get an education?"

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
Are you telling me that universities aren't always looking for a way to bring in more money? You don't think that raising rates isn't an easy way to do that? Salaries rise - and rightly so - requiring more money coming in. The costs of upkeep, utilities, etc. go up, requiring more money. There's nothing wrong with that. But, is that what's happening? Or, are Universities adding buildings, etc. to keep on the lists of "best places to get an education?"

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Are you telling me that universities aren't always looking for a way to bring in more money? You don't think that raising rates isn't an easy way to do that? Salaries rise - and rightly so - requiring more money coming in. The costs of upkeep, utilities, etc. go up, requiring more money. There's nothing wrong with that. But, is that what's happening? Or, are Universities adding buildings, etc. to keep on the lists of "best places to get an education?"

Public universities are mostly dealing with dwindling state suport forcing tuitions and fees higher.

As true as that is, isn't the cost of going to the university still rising? It's not just that the costs to students have gotten higher (which would be the case if it was simply the reduction of State money going to schools), but the costs have risen faster than inflation. And that isn't because State money is dwindling.