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SadistDave -> RE: Sears pulls a Walmart on the Bionic Wrench (11/13/2012 1:28:36 AM)

So, you are still confused I see. I realize thatbasic comprehension and critical thought are rocket science for you, but really? I mean REALLY?

Let's just cut to the chase here. This is from your quote:

The Investigative Reporting Workshop’s report backs the claim but paints a murkier picture than the Romney campaign would have you think. The author tallied $2.6 million in stimulus money going to Chinese makers of wind turbines. However, the reporter, Russ Choma, also says that none of the farms used turbines entirely built in China. Additionally, he couldn’t say for sure how much stimulus money made its way to China. "Some money definitely did, but it is safe to say more money went to creating jobs in the U.S. and Europe," he wrote.

Now, let's zoom in on the only part of your ridiculous post that has ANY bearing on what I've been saying.

he couldn’t say for sure how much stimulus money made its way to China. "Some money definitely did

According to your post and the quote you chose to use, stimulus money went to China.

China is.... overseas!

Ergo, according to your quote from Politifact, stimulus money WAS spent overseas. Trying to spin it to make it sound like a good thing does not change the fact that stimulus money was spent overseas. Your efforts to deny it while supplying the quotes that show that it did is pretty ridiculous.

-SD-




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Sears pulls a Walmart on the Bionic Wrench (11/13/2012 4:34:48 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

So, you are still confused I see. I realize thatbasic comprehension and critical thought are rocket science for you, but really? I mean REALLY?

Let's just cut to the chase here. This is from your quote:

The Investigative Reporting Workshop’s report backs the claim but paints a murkier picture than the Romney campaign would have you think. The author tallied $2.6 million in stimulus money going to Chinese makers of wind turbines. However, the reporter, Russ Choma, also says that none of the farms used turbines entirely built in China. Additionally, he couldn’t say for sure how much stimulus money made its way to China. "Some money definitely did, but it is safe to say more money went to creating jobs in the U.S. and Europe," he wrote.

Now, let's zoom in on the only part of your ridiculous post that has ANY bearing on what I've been saying.

he couldn’t say for sure how much stimulus money made its way to China. "Some money definitely did

According to your post and the quote you chose to use, stimulus money went to China.

China is.... overseas!

Ergo, according to your quote from Politifact, stimulus money WAS spent overseas. Trying to spin it to make it sound like a good thing does not change the fact that stimulus money was spent overseas. Your efforts to deny it while supplying the quotes that show that it did is pretty ridiculous.

-SD-


David...please stop trying to confuse these people with facts.




thompsonx -> RE: Sears pulls a Walmart on the Bionic Wrench (11/14/2012 6:20:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: SadistDave

Before I answer that, I want to add this...

Apex Tool (the Chinese manufacturer) is owned by Armstrong Tool. Armstrong tool is an American company with a military contract that supplies tools made by Apex to the United States government.

So, I want to reiterate that the Federal Government does not give a damn about the Made in America label, and in this case it appears that the Obama administration is more guilty if aiding and abetting patent piracy than Bain has been.

Now... to your question:

I agree that patents should be protected to a degree. However, I do not think that improvements or adaptations of an idea or design should be punished because they are based on an existing design. Let's take this wrench. It utilizes a handle and a ratchet mechanism. I'm betting that handles and ratchet mechanisms existed long before this particular design, which means they are just an improvement on existing technology. So when someone comes along with an idea that improves the design of this wrench, they should not be penalized.

However, I think that a patent should have protections from blatant rip offs that offer no tangible improvements to a design. Reproducing a product that is less expensive, less functional, or poorly made should have penalties to a point. At some point designs need to become accessible to everyone though. Innovation rarely occurs without public domain.

Here, we're talking about a wrench. In most cases I will probably be able to use other tools to do exactly what this wrench does. In many cases I would probably use another kind of wrench. This is not groundbreaking technology and I don't think it really deserves the same sort of protections that should apply to life saving equipment, military technology or designs with scientific applications.

-SD-



So the short answer is yes you do approve?




cloudboy -> RE: Sears pulls a Walmart on the Bionic Wrench (11/14/2012 10:36:49 AM)

I just saw a Sears TV ad promoting their craftsman tools. The guy in the ad was wearing a grey, repair man's clothes and looked like he was a knock-off of Paul Ryan; full head of dark hair, white, mid 30s, all American guy.

Its hard to point a finger at SEARS, b/c they are just playing by the rules, except for it patent infringement. The rules need to be changed to discourage the Walmart business model.

They key is to look All American while fucking your workforce.




DesideriScuri -> RE: Sears pulls a Walmart on the Bionic Wrench (11/14/2012 2:45:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
I just saw a Sears TV ad promoting their craftsman tools. The guy in the ad was wearing a grey, repair man's clothes and looked like he was a knock-off of Paul Ryan; full head of dark hair, white, mid 30s, all American guy.
Its hard to point a finger at SEARS, b/c they are just playing by the rules, except for it patent infringement. The rules need to be changed to discourage the Walmart business model.
They key is to look All American while fucking your workforce.


So much for innocent until proven guilty, eh?

I don't think Sears has been found guilty of patent infringement yet. If they are found guilty, go right on ahead and finger them. But, until they are found guilty, it's innocent until proven guilty.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Sears pulls a Walmart on the Bionic Wrench (11/14/2012 2:54:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy

I just saw a Sears TV ad promoting their craftsman tools. The guy in the ad was wearing a grey, repair man's clothes and looked like he was a knock-off of Paul Ryan; full head of dark hair, white, mid 30s, all American guy.

Its hard to point a finger at SEARS, b/c they are just playing by the rules, except for it patent infringement. The rules need to be changed to discourage the Walmart business model.

They key is to look All American while fucking your workforce.


I wonder if the government could prevent retailers from purchasing patented products from sources outside the U.S., or some such thing.

But I don't know how patents/copyrights work internationally. The bigger issue is can we prevent other countries from making things that are patented here. I think we've already failed to do this in the pharmaceutical industry. I know other countries reverse engineer a lot of our pharmaceuticals and sell them to local markets. But those companies don't sell the pharmaceuticals here in the U.S.. (Which is why we pay more for patented pharmaceuticals than almost anywhere else in the world.)

And p.s. I would like the conservatives to try and explain how a deregulated business environment would help poor Mr. Brown. The patent model itself is government regulation......







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