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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/14/2012 3:46:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's black. It's Texas. He'll be executed.

No, Obama doesn't care about that sort of thing.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/14/2012 3:51:33 PM   
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I'd have a lot more confidence in the people who claim they oppose the death penalty only because we might get an innocent, if they would stand up to demand it, loud and proud, when there is no question whatsoever about the guilt of the condemned.

I'm one such person. I am not morally opposed to the death penalty. I personally don't find any great value in human life. There seems to be plenty of us floating around. I'm all for putting the rabid dog down in the cheapest and most expedient possible way.

My issues stem solely over concerns about adequate representation and the influence of race & money on court outcomes. As a tax payer, if I am contemplating ending someone's life, I'd be willing to pay for substantially better defence then what is typically given.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/14/2012 5:19:04 PM   
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Well I for one like to jump around a bit...I do not have a "form" post,one in which I consistently point out the flaws in one sides pov,while ignoring the fact that my side does the same thing.
See I will comment on most anything,I will deliver snark and derision ,as I see fit,on most subjects.....In short I am not a "one trick pony"
Alas,you are...and your trick,along with your act,is getting tired and old,real fast.


Oh,and the other difference,I deliver my unique brand of commentary with a certain style....you,not so much.
So while my stuff is read and enjoyed,yours is mostly just passed over .
Now you have no reason to take my word for any of this,but you asked and I answered.
Should you,for some unfathomable reason,doubt my word you could start a poll.....but do yourself a favor,find someone else to start it for you....if you want folks to click in



Of course you go after the bigots on both sides, but since my memory is so bad, perhaps you can link one of the ones where you slammed someone on the left.

Putz,"jump around a bit" does not equate to "go after the bigots on both sides".
I do not choose,nor do I pretend to be,CollarMe's attack dog as far as partisan politics is concerned.Of course ,in reality,neither do you,you just lay claim to the position while only pointing out the faults of one side.

So no need to get you a link,since my beef with you did not include a claim that I was not partisan...something You are constantly implying is below you,my beef with you is your blatant hypocrisy...so if you want to come back at me either a) deny that you are a hypocrite(no one's going o buy that,but it is your right to claim it
or b)make a counter charge(good luck with that,I'm obviously not a hypocrite...I'm a leftie,a libtard and all of those other things.
Either way you still lose,cause when you wake up you are still you...and as I said earlier:it must suck to be you


When you come up with an intelligent reply instead of your usual bs let me know.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/14/2012 5:43:03 PM   
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When you ask for bullshit ,than its just better bullshit you will get......keep it up boi,I have a million replys that I can state in a million different ways(you do the math)so this is no problem for me

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/14/2012 6:36:18 PM   
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So you believe that someone with a cut or punctured carotid artery is capable of remaining conscious and speaking for approximately quarter of an hour


Yes why not... remember it was cut across not severed... It is quite likely she could talk... if she lived long enough to make it to two hospitals before she died.



The crime scene is a wooded area on disused land adjacent to a derelict building. The murders took place sometime between 9.30pm and midnight. It would have been at best very dark, or at worst pitch black.

The consensus of opinion is that both the carotid artery and jugular veins were punctured. I'd give someone a maximum 30 seconds to remain conscious and be able to speak with such injuries. Furthermore if the police were able to hear that dying statement, then surely Preston Hughes would be in that immediate area or not far from it.

There was also another suspect - Doug Swanson, who wasn't investigated, despite Charles having a scrap of paper with Dog and a phone number scrawled on it. I can't rule out the victims knowing both Hughes and Swanson, and even if there was a dying declaration, I cannot rule out mistaken identity.

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And you also believe that somehow all the forensic evidence is accurate and truthful when it comes from a lab which has been investigated for malpractice?


When...and over what evidence...what was the result of the investigation...did it involve this case...what was the evidence in question? Does the evidence if proven in question change the preponderance of the remaining evidence? Do you know?



Oh come on. Someone stabs two kids to death causing injuries with major blood loss and walks away without any traces of blood on either the weapon and/or clothing worn?

You might want to go through the other scheduled executions and executed offenders on the TDCJ website, particularly in cases where the victims have been stabbed, bludgeoned, or beaten to death. Consistently, in fact routinely, there is evidence linking the weapon and clothing with the victims blood and the DNA matches.

This is Texas, this is Harris County, this is the US death penalty at its most efficient. They average two executions a month in Huntsville. The case against Preston Hughes stands out like a sore thumb.

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Read the court transcripts and documents submitted to the court. Generally these tend to give more reliable information than articles published in a newspaper.


Remember the original court and the appeals court found him guilty. You keep ignoring my question... Did you read the appeal... I did... He admitted his guilt again. Now that that did not work he is making other claims and excuses.



I'm assuming that you are referring to Hughes v. State 878 SW 2d 142 Texas Court of Criminal Appeals 1992.

There's nothing here that suggests that Hughes reaffirmed his guilt. In fact what it appears to be is the court deciding that he is guilty based on a combination of his confessions and the likelihood that he will reoffend at some point in the future.

You are aware of the problems of his ineffective defense trial counsel, aren't you?

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Let me put it this way... there is more reason to believe his guilt than not. You are assuming he is innocent without evidence. Do you think all police lie is that it... are you that jaded?



I'm assuming that he is innocent because there is no clear evidence proving beyond reasonable doubts (such as the kind I have) that he is guilty.

As I've stated before this is Texas, this is Harris County - the leading executioner in the United States. There's an average of two executions a month in Huntsville. Prosecutors in Harris County seek, and get, the death penalty much more frequently than they do anywhere else in the United States.

Some people will tell you that this is because of the consistently ineffective trial counsel defendants get in Texas. Maybe there is some truth to this, but if you look through the cases in the TDCJ website you will also see that much of it is down to the work of the police in Texas who work hard to gather the evidence and get the paperwork done.

People appear to like the death penalty in Texas, given that the Governor Rick Perry was bragging about how many executions there have been in Texas and people were applauding him.

No Butch I'm not that jaded, and I don't believe that all police lie. In fact I'd go as far to say that you probably won't last long as a rank and file police officer if you're someone of dubious character. Police work is hard work, it's also thankless and dangerous, and it's one of those jobs which requires not just special talents but also a great deal of character to do well.

What I honestly think is that there were two police teams assigned to these murders and one of them botched the investigation. I'm assuming that when policy is to proactively seek the death penalty then standards must be very high when it comes to police work, and there is a certain amount of pressure and certain expectations.

I'm sorry but I honestly don't believe that there's cops out there driving round in squad cars looking for innocent people to set up for unsolved crimes. Rather I think it's more the case of individual officers cutting corners, overlooking things, and being perfectly human making mistakes. This is how I believe most miscarriages of justice start out.

The other thing is, not everybody on Death Row who is claiming that they are innocent actually are. There's been quite a bit of web space taken up in recent years claiming that Cleve Foster, who was also on Death Row, was innocent. He was guilty, and recently executed for his crimes.

Committing a crime somewhere along the line involves making a conscious moral decision. We all know how it is in Texas, and I think a few of these innocence claims is nothing more than an emotional process making it easier to come to terms that someone is now in a small prison cell which they're going to be in for the next 15-20 years until they are executed.

But the thing is when an investigation is botched it makes it almost impossible to determine whether someone is guilty or innocent beyond reasonable doubt.

I'm aware of Preston Hughes previous convictions, but I also know that Doug Swanson had previous convictions and is currently serving life for other crimes.

However I don't see enough clear evidence of Hughes' guilt to justify him being executed and feel that a retrial is necessary.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/14/2012 10:17:30 PM   
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He's black. It's Texas. He'll be executed.

No, Obama doesn't care about that sort of thing.

You seem to have cover all the essential facts of the matter in your post. Sad, shocking but so so true.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 8:40:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		stella I left a direct quote from the appeal... take from it what you will.

Now i see you are a junior detective too... Why if the slice was on the side of the neck would he necessarily get blood on him... come on leave the detective work to professionals.

As far as the knife... I've many... why could he have not thrown the murder weapon away... on and on

It is just unavoidable that she named her murder and all the rest of the evidence and confession falls into place within reason.

I'll not comment further because we have begun to go in circles... I'll let the authorities determine if there is enough evidence for a new trial... I doubt it though.

Butch

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 6:49:00 PM   
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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 6:57:57 PM   
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BYE BYE Preston...

Tell the truth....you were in the audience at that Republican debate,weren't you ?
Your humanity is startling.....in it's absence

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 7:17:31 PM   
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He's dead

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-executed-killing-houston-cousins-15-17734216

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 7:32:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Rick Perry lets nothing stand in the way of a good execution .
Whats a little thing like doubt when you get to stick a needle in some one's arm(not as much fun as when they got to fry them...but you can't have everything )

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 7:38:12 PM   
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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/15/2012 7:58:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		After 24 years...what was the rush ?
Was he somehow a danger to the community up there on death row ?
Or is it that you just hadn't had a good old execution in a while ?
Why are you taking joy from this ?
How is it that you don't understand that every time the state engages in committing murder we are all diminished ?

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/16/2012 8:04:57 AM   
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stella I left a direct quote from the appeal... take from it what you will.



Butch, this direct quote from 'the' appeal - please bear in mind that there have been at least three - are you referring to Hughes v. State 878 US 42 SW 142 (1994)?

I'm assuming so because the first appeal overturned the conviction and sentence, another appeal related specifically to the introduction of the new execution protocol favouring a single drug, and then there was the recent file for habeus corpus.

If so then you are basing your argument on the confession, his previous conviction for the sexual assault on the 13 year old girl, and expert testimony that he is likely to reoffend.

In a nutshell dire voir or hearsay.

But then again what else could you base your premise on?

There is no physical evidence linking Hughes to the crimes.

There is no biological evidence connecting Hughes with the scene of the crime - the blood tests are inconclusive, no DNA, no fingerprints, no hairs, not even a footprint.

There was the two searches made of Hughes' apartment, one of which was made without a warrant. This is linked to the photographs taken of Hughes apartment where the lighting does not match the time when the photos were allegedly taken.

Oh, and there's the 'dying declaration' made by a young girl who with stab wounds in her neck puncturing both artery and vein managing to stay conscious for almost a quarter of an hour to talk to police. Are you aware of how many pints of blood would be needed to achieve this? This wouldn't be your average human being, this would need to be a walking blood transfusion service.

Then there's the exculpatory evidence withheld by the prosecution.

The instances of perjury committed within testimony by state witnesses.

The misleading or ambiguous evidence and test results neither substantiated or corrected by a DA from a discredited police laboratory.

But I guess it doesn't matter now whether Preston Hughes is innocent or guilty. He's dead. Pronounced dead at 7.52pm local time in Huntsville.

This is what many who support the death penalty call justice.

The name of Preston Hughes will live on, like Troy Davis, like Cameron Todd Willingham, like Reuben Kantu and so many others - men who were executed despite it not being clear whether they were guilty or innocent.

And yet again in Houston - once again - the actual killer literally gets away with murder.



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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/16/2012 9:57:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is over now God rest his soul... I don't believe him innocent but I would not have bet my life on that belief and I'll bet the powers that be would not of either. If I were to judge I would have stayed the execution. Capital punishment in this type of case is wrong in my opinion. I just don't understand what is so hard about coming up with a law governing and limiting Capital Punishment to assure only the guilty are executed. I know i could if i were King.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/16/2012 10:00:36 AM   
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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/16/2012 10:52:48 AM   
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I can't get on board with "God rest his soul" but, I will say: "God have mercy on his soul".



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If you believe in god why would you not get on board with "god rest his soul". Isn't that up to god to decide? Or do you feel you are entitled to pass that kind of judgment that is supposed to be reserved for god, and god alone?

You support the state taking his life but are not on board with the statement "god rest his soul". Seems to me you are competing with god for his job.

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RE: What do you think? Will Preston Hughes be executed ... - 11/16/2012 2:08:04 PM   
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It is over now God rest his soul... I don't believe him innocent but I would not have bet my life on that belief and I'll bet the powers that be would not of either. If I were to judge I would have stayed the execution. Capital punishment in this type of case is wrong in my opinion. I just don't understand what is so hard about coming up with a law governing and limiting Capital Punishment to assure only the guilty are executed. I know i could if i were King.

Butch


Exactly.

I read several of the reports on the execution and I think what was most interesting was what Hughes' defence lawyer was saying to the media. For the first time he started talking about Hughes' innocence, we also got to know the alibi Hughes had, and the claim that the mitigating factors weren't taken into account - we learned that Hughes was abused by an uncle.

I still maintain that Hughes is innocent of those murders and that his conviction and subsequent execution was obtained purely on hearsay. However given his previous conviction and probation you also have to consider the likelihood he would reoffend.

I'm going to leave the question why his lawyer refused to talk about his innocence until after he was executed open.

Of course I think Texas Governor Rick Perry would be proud that justice is served, but I think there needs to be a distinction between tough justice and sloppy justice.

I think with capital punishment the biggest problem is that the one thing needed at a trial in a court - the truth - is always going to be compromised.

I'm sure that there's those who feel that justice has been served with Hughes being executed, but has it really?

Last night a mother lost a son - unfairly - and as he wasn't proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt then Hughes died an innocent man. We will not discover the identity of the men who sent Hughes to the execution gurney with full premeditation, for they will not be held accountable for their actions.

Furthermore they are free to kill again, and again, and again.

It's also highly likely seeing that Hughes did not commit the murders, that whoever committed the murders got away with it.

This is the reality of capital punishment - sometimes innocent people get executed, and sometimes the guilty literally get away with murder.




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