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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/13/2012 8:26:13 PM

Owner59

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ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Amazing how you got that exactly backward......

And typical......

"Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes "

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/09/18/obama-supporters-subsidize-romney-supporters-with-their-taxes-

I`m from Jersey....a blue state...a maker-state..I would love to throw these money grubbing,red taker-states off the dole......

TOMORROW.....

Or at the very least....make every citizen in those romney-redistribution-states take a drug test.......anyone fails......the whole state gets nothing.......

As an extremist-rightist......you should be in total agreement.

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 11/13/2012 8:27:34 PM >

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/13/2012 10:38:00 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Amazing how you got that exactly backward......

And typical......

"Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes "

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/09/18/obama-supporters-subsidize-romney-supporters-with-their-taxes-

I`m from Jersey....a blue state...a maker-state..I would love to throw these money grubbing,red taker-states off the dole......

TOMORROW.....

Or at the very least....make every citizen in those romney-redistribution-states take a drug test.......anyone fails......the whole state gets nothing.......

As an extremist-rightist......you should be in total agreement.

Awwww. Boo fucking hoo.

The poor little lib is mad because he's paying more taxes than everyone else.

Sorry, but since the goal of your Dear Leader is to raise everyone's taxes you'll get no sympathy here.

-SD-

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/13/2012 10:57:32 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Amazing how you got that exactly backward......

And typical......

"Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes "

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/09/18/obama-supporters-subsidize-romney-supporters-with-their-taxes-

I`m from Jersey....a blue state...a maker-state..I would love to throw these money grubbing,red taker-states off the dole......

TOMORROW.....

Or at the very least....make every citizen in those romney-redistribution-states take a drug test.......anyone fails......the whole state gets nothing.......

As an extremist-rightist......you should be in total agreement.

Awwww. Boo fucking hoo.

The poor little lib is mad because he's paying more taxes than everyone else.

Sorry, but since the goal of your Dear Leader is to raise everyone's taxes you'll get no sympathy here.

-SD-

You guys give hypocrisy a bad name....

I`m sure you have no idea what I`m talking about....

And the "fiscal cliff" thing was written and passed by j-boner and Paul Ryan(you may have heard of him) and your party`s responsibility and mess to clean up.

Seeing Ryan squirm and use the weaseliest of weasel words.... trying to explain how his name got on that tax-raising instrument that`s at issue ....

was better than fresh king crab legs w/ butter.

Other than denial.....you cons are great at setting up our shots, like golf tees.

The cons will get most of the blame....it`s their creation.....and will reflect poorly in 2014.....tic tic tic....

< Message edited by Owner59 -- 11/13/2012 11:03:05 PM >

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/13/2012 11:14:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Amazing how you got that exactly backward......

And typical......

"Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes "

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/09/18/obama-supporters-subsidize-romney-supporters-with-their-taxes-

I`m from Jersey....a blue state...a maker-state..I would love to throw these money grubbing,red taker-states off the dole......

TOMORROW.....

Or at the very least....make every citizen in those romney-redistribution-states take a drug test.......anyone fails......the whole state gets nothing.......

As an extremist-rightist......you should be in total agreement.

Awwww. Boo fucking hoo.

The poor little lib is mad because he's paying more taxes than everyone else.

Sorry, but since the goal of your Dear Leader is to raise everyone's taxes you'll get no sympathy here.

-SD-

You guys give hypocrisy a bad name....

I`m sure you have no idea what I`m talking about....

And the "fiscal cliff" thing was written and passed by j-boner and Paul Ryan(you may have heard of him) and your party`s responsibility and mess to clean up.

Seeing Ryan squirm and use the weaseliest of weasel words.... trying to explain how his name got on that tax-raising instrument that`s at issue ....was better than fresh king crab legs w/ butter.

Other than denial.....you cons are great at setting up our shots, like golf tees.

The cons will get most of the blame....it`s their creation.....and will reflect poorly in 2014.....tic tic tic....

I know exactly what you're talking about. You're crying because your taxes are being redistributed, which is quite hypocritical of you by the way.

Come on... this is exactly what you and your party believe in. The haves should pay higher taxes so the have nots can enjoy a bigger piece of the pie. It's a little disingenuous to be upset about it just because you happen to be the ones having your wealth redistributed.

This is EXACTLY the sort of thing you and your ilk have been saying is such a wonderful thing for a very long time. You should be all warm and fuzzy over it instead of being bitter about it.

-SD-

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/13/2012 11:49:31 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Actually, the Southeast gets more in federal spending then it pays in taxes, while New England pays more in taxes then they get back. If anything, the blue states are supporting the red states.

And when this subject comes up, liberals don't panic - they joke about how great it would be if the far right all left and formed their own country!

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 12:04:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce.

....?

We live in a democracy, in case you've forgotten. Majority rule. If your party loses, then you suck it up and try again next time. And if you win then, your opponent needs to step down gracefully and accept that, too.

If the response to losing an election is for the losers to take up arms and forcibly refuse to accept the outcome, that's the end of democracy in this country. Our form of government only works because we've all agreed not to do that kind of thing.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 2:32:35 AM

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Ron Paul posted a little explanation yesterday. It may be useful to watch to understand the libertarian-constitutional viewpoint about secession.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=nhQ31b_dbnM#!

Today secession is seen by the advocates as a way to separate from the federal government, nothing more.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 2:40:33 AM

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I would also add it is very likely the conditions will soon come where the secession becomes active issue. For example, the dollar collapse (Ron Paul prediction) will automatically trigger some states attempting to issue their own currencies.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 3:51:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce. Also is the mistaken belief that no one is willing to actually fight for what they believe. History shows that given sufficient provocation those assumptions are false.

The left's biggest error is in the following -

their mistaken belief that the majority of the American people agree with them

It doesn't take a majority.

Fucking laughable....... You "independents" still dont get it that you have now lost not ONE, but TWO U.S Elections due to the policies that were soundly rejected.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 4:05:11 AM

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This debate kind of reminds me of David Camerons remarks to a Scottish Nationalist MP.

"Can the Prime minister assure me that impending cuts to the military budget wont affect Royal Air Force bases in my constituency ?"

"If the honourable member gets his wish for independence, he wont have an air force"

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 5:01:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: graceadieu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie
The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce.

....?
We live in a democracy, in case you've forgotten. Majority rule. If your party loses, then you suck it up and try again next time. And if you win then, your opponent needs to step down gracefully and accept that, too.
If the response to losing an election is for the losers to take up arms and forcibly refuse to accept the outcome, that's the end of democracy in this country. Our form of government only works because we've all agreed not to do that kind of thing.

Just a point of order here... we live in a republic, not a democracy. We are not simply a "majority rules," or "winner take all" system. The secession kick isn't about losing an election, it's about the perception that the America of the US Constitution is being lost. The America of the US Constitution is something to take up arms and forcibly protect.

Just want to say, I'm not a secessionist. I'm not in favor of secession of any State (though I do believe that States do have the right to secede from the Union).

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 5:18:35 AM

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Just a point of order here... we live in a republic, not a democracy. We are not simply a "majority rules," or "winner take all" system.

You are, actually: that's exactly how a republic appoints its representatives. You might not like who your peers are voting into power, but until you stop using elections to appoint delegates to a government full of elected proxies, then you're still a republic.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 5:33:47 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: graceadieu

quote:

ORIGINAL: Yachtie

The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce.

....?

We live in a democracy, in case you've forgotten. Majority rule. If your party loses, then you suck it up and try again next time. And if you win then, your opponent needs to step down gracefully and accept that, too.

If the response to losing an election is for the losers to take up arms and forcibly refuse to accept the outcome, that's the end of democracy in this country. Our form of government only works because we've all agreed not to do that kind of thing.

Bullshit,we have the ways and means to keep the malcontents in line.
That's how you keep a democracy strong...at the point of a gun

edited because I'm a little fuzzy this morning,spelling is hard stuff

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 6:25:11 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Moonhead

quote:

ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Just a point of order here... we live in a republic, not a democracy. We are not simply a "majority rules," or "winner take all" system.

You are, actually: that's exactly how a republic appoints its representatives. You might not like who your peers are voting into power, but until you stop using elections to appoint delegates to a government full of elected proxies, then you're still a republic.

We are a representative republic. We have democratically elected local representatives, but there can be a disconnect between the popular vote and the electoral college vote for the Executive Branch. That being said, I would prefer our Senators to be chosen by their States, rather than by the Citizens of the State (which was the original system of the US Constitution).

Regardless of who gets elected, some will be happy, some will be mad, and some (perhaps a plurality even) will not care enough to vote.

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A Conservative interpretation of the US Constitution
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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 6:37:59 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: graceadieu

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Actually, the Southeast gets more in federal spending then it pays in taxes, while New England pays more in taxes then they get back. If anything, the blue states are supporting the red states.

And when this subject comes up, liberals don't panic - they joke about how great it would be if the far right all left and formed their own country!

Haha! Guilty here. I have said, many times, bring it on!

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 7:07:09 AM

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~FR

Hannity went on to ask how, constitutionally, they have the right to do this — and what the movement wants to do next. Miller said the petition is basically asking the president, “Mother, may I?” It “will accomplish virtually nothing” — “but it will send a clear message that the people of texas want their independence.”

Ultimately, he said, any decision about a state leaving the union must come down to the vote of the state’s people. To that point, Hannity asked whether he’d like to see a referendum on the issue. Whether the goal is to get the issue on the ballot.

“Ideally what we would like to see is the legislature put it to a non-binding referendum,” Miller explained. “So the people of Texas could express their will on this issue. The polling we have done internally in our organization in every county in Texas shows we would carry a majority of Texas, but I think that takes us to the next step here.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-nationalist-movement-president-outlines-secession-goals-on-hannity/

Its a temper tantrum. Why else make it "nonbinding"?

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 7:33:51 AM

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

quote:

ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
The primary stupidity, IMO, of the petitioners and also those who have spoken wistfully of an actual armed "revolution" is their mistaken belief that the majority of the American people agree with them and the majority of the American people (to include all the members of the actice duty United States military) would join them or support them.

The real danger is in that the left assumes that those who do not want as they do will quietly acquiesce. Also is the mistaken belief that no one is willing to actually fight for what they believe. History shows that given sufficient provocation those assumptions are false.

The left's biggest error is in the following -

their mistaken belief that the majority of the American people agree with them

It doesn't take a majority.

What does it take then?

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 7:38:42 AM

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quote:

It's inevideable that secession must occur

I believe that was tried once before ... unsuccessfully.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 7:46:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: SadistDave

quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

quote:

ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls

I can understand the looney left in panic mode over secession. If all the red states secede together, you won't have anyone to pay the bills. If you are lucky though, maybe those Illegal aliens will hire you to haul off their trash.

Amazing how you got that exactly backward......

And typical......

"Obama Supporters Subsidize Romney Supporters With Their Taxes "

http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/economic-intelligence/2012/09/18/obama-supporters-subsidize-romney-supporters-with-their-taxes-

I`m from Jersey....a blue state...a maker-state..I would love to throw these money grubbing,red taker-states off the dole......

TOMORROW.....

Or at the very least....make every citizen in those romney-redistribution-states take a drug test.......anyone fails......the whole state gets nothing.......

As an extremist-rightist......you should be in total agreement.

Awwww. Boo fucking hoo.

The poor little lib is mad because he's paying more taxes than everyone else.

Sorry, but since the goal of your Dear Leader is to raise everyone's taxes you'll get no sympathy here.

-SD-

You guys give hypocrisy a bad name....

I`m sure you have no idea what I`m talking about....

And the "fiscal cliff" thing was written and passed by j-boner and Paul Ryan(you may have heard of him) and your party`s responsibility and mess to clean up.

Seeing Ryan squirm and use the weaseliest of weasel words.... trying to explain how his name got on that tax-raising instrument that`s at issue ....was better than fresh king crab legs w/ butter.

Other than denial.....you cons are great at setting up our shots, like golf tees.

The cons will get most of the blame....it`s their creation.....and will reflect poorly in 2014.....tic tic tic....

I know exactly what you're talking about. You're crying because your taxes are being redistributed, which is quite hypocritical of you by the way.

Come on... this is exactly what you and your party believe in. The haves should pay higher taxes so the have nots can enjoy a bigger piece of the pie. It's a little disingenuous to be upset about it just because you happen to be the ones having your wealth redistributed.

This is EXACTLY the sort of thing you and your ilk have been saying is such a wonderful thing for a very long time. You should be all warm and fuzzy over it instead of being bitter about it.

-SD-

Meh...not crying......just telling the cry-baby-red-state hypocrites to STFU with their maker-taker BS,if they are going to be takers.....

Pretty simple.

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RE: Obamaphobe "secession" & "armed rebe... - 11/14/2012 7:49:00 AM

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LOL. Texas signs that paper and Ft. Hood, Ft. Bliss, Ft. Benning, and Ft. Rucker will be holding wintex manuoevers in Texas this year, instead of Grafenwohr.

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