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Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 4:51:50 AM

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Why is the media talking about this so much? I think it should have been a non-issue when Clinton cheated. Also when Anthony Weiner was sending Weiner-grams to everybody. Sooo.. am i missing something? How is his sleeping with some chick relevant to my life in any way?

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 4:57:04 AM

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It's the titilation factor. Who knows what interests the main stream media these days. They are like children with shiny objects. As a former reporter, I can tell you the media today is mostly very lazy. The demos know that... think DISTRACTION. The story is not patreus cheating with this ding dong at all. It is Benghazi and the cover up. They put him in at CIA knowing FULL WELL about his trysts... and used that to make him take the fall. It's hilariously easy and transparent, but way above our modern reporters to figure out.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 5:46:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Why is the media talking about this so much? I think it should have been a non-issue when Clinton cheated. Also when Anthony Weiner was sending Weiner-grams to everybody. Sooo.. am i missing something? How is his sleeping with some chick relevant to my life in any way?

The point is that the person entrusted with OUR NATION'S SECRETS cannot keep his own secrets.

If he's proven incompetent in safeguarding his own secrets, he is unqualified to protect OUR NATION'S SECRETS.

That's putting aside the whole "While he was conducting his illicit affair, he was vulnerable to blackmail by enemy agents" thing.

Seriously. Doesn't anyone remember the fucking Cold War anymore?

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 5:52:22 AM

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Because the affair resulted in him having to resign,and therein lies the story...and you are right therein lies the problem.
If the resignation was solely a character issue I would be agreeing with you fully,we as a society have to stop caring who gets in the sheets with who...but this affair morphed into a security issue when the Gen. started sending gmail messages to his squeeze asking her opinion on policy issues.
There is where security concerns come in and concerns with his judgement.
Judgement which,rightly so,is now in major question,leading to the President having no choice but to accept his resignation.

And now another top Gen.has been linked to this mess,he was slated for a new command...The President is now rethinking that,hesitant till more facts come in lest he wind up with more egg on his face.

So now the advice,the efforts,the knowledge of one of America's top career soldiers is lost,perhaps a second will be.....that is why you should care,that is why we are talking about it,that is why the media is talking about it(sex being involved doesn't hurt as far as the media is concerned

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 5:54:01 AM

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I hate that both Petraeus and Gen. Allen showed such poor judgement, but I don't care for the media circus, either.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 5:58:00 AM

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When you consider the lack of judgement by those who have achieved so much in an organization (the Military) which stresses fidelity,honor and code...the "media circus" is justified.
Throw in security leaks at that level and I would say the "media circus" is necessary !

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 5:59:23 AM

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haha, obama has no egg on his face, sheesh. He knew about Patreaus before he nominated him for CIA director. HE'S A FALL GUY! So easy you'd think even liberals could figure this out. You take out the military as an institution and you take out Patreaus, AND AND you have a patsy for his mess in Libya. Now I stopped having respect for the guy after the "don't betray us petraeus" crap the left put out along with the then senator obama. I thought.. now here is a guy with more honor and dignity than all of them put together... he should have RESIGNED THEN, and blasted the hard core left, but instead he took it. So I figured, ok, another general who wants to move on up no matter what. Now that they smeared him, it's too late for him to come clean.

Yeah, it's pretty funny how the media is titilating over the sexual nature of this stuff given that they were the ones that looked the other way with Clinton's rapes and attacks. At the time I was with the federal government and I can tell you that would have been abuse and would have resulted in me being fired. Clinton taught us it doesn't matter... that the NAG (NOW, whatever they are called) gang aren't really about better treatment of women; they are all about abortion on demand and screwing Republicans.

But the story is the story that is being covered up by all this. OPEN THINE EYES, folks.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 6:11:06 AM

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quote:

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When you consider the lack of judgement by those who have achieved so much in an organization (the Military) which stresses fidelity,honor and code...the "media circus" is justified.
Throw in security leaks at that level and I would say the "media circus" is necessary !

mike, I can agree that it should be looked into, re: security issues, but that shouldn't have to devolve into news broadcasts that look prepared by the national enquirer.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 6:45:57 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Why is the media talking about this so much? I think it should have been a non-issue when Clinton cheated. Also when Anthony Weiner was sending Weiner-grams to everybody. Sooo.. am i missing something? How is his sleeping with some chick relevant to my life in any way?

Your post is the most idiotic, moronic, crap that I have read lately.

It is not about the sex. It has never been about the sex. Try the term blackamail.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 6:50:20 AM

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blackamoor, but not blackamail unless you are italiano. here we just go blackmail. Obviously, these guys are not being blackmailed, if they are out, it's sort of hard to hold anything over their heads, there is no carrot, so all they get is the stick.

Even I, for the cataclysmically world ending blowjob, won't give up the corporate panties of the United States. Even that good, it ain't that good.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 6:52:43 AM

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One other thing about Petraeus, is that about 1 year ago he came down hard on some of his officers serving in the war for doing the same thing he got caught doing. You can google it, I think it was about a year ago, it has only been mentioned in 1 news story with his affair

So if for no other reason then to show that hypocrisy is everywhere

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:01:10 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Why is the media talking about this so much? I think it should have been a non-issue when Clinton cheated. Also when Anthony Weiner was sending Weiner-grams to everybody. Sooo.. am i missing something? How is his sleeping with some chick relevant to my life in any way?

I've held a security clearance. A major part of that was not being blackmailable. I've long been pissed off that elected officials and cabinet appointees had access to major secrets and yet did not have to undergo any security clearance investigation.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:04:16 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: farglebargle

quote:

ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Why is the media talking about this so much? I think it should have been a non-issue when Clinton cheated. Also when Anthony Weiner was sending Weiner-grams to everybody. Sooo.. am i missing something? How is his sleeping with some chick relevant to my life in any way?

The point is that the person entrusted with OUR NATION'S SECRETS cannot keep his own secrets.

If he's proven incompetent in safeguarding his own secrets, he is unqualified to protect OUR NATION'S SECRETS.

That's putting aside the whole "While he was conducting his illicit affair, he was vulnerable to blackmail by enemy agents" thing.

Seriously. Doesn't anyone remember the fucking Cold War anymore?

LMAO. He was CIA and either wouldn't or couldn't even encrypt his own stuff.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:07:41 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

blackamoor, but not blackamail unless you are italiano. here we just go blackmail. Obviously, these guys are not being blackmailed, if they are out, it's sort of hard to hold anything over their heads, there is no carrot, so all they get is the stick.

Even I, for the cataclysmically world ending blowjob, won't give up the corporate panties of the United States. Even that good, it ain't that good.

Ron, I sit corrected. LOL

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:20:53 AM

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

haha, obama has no egg on his face, sheesh. He knew about Patreaus before he nominated him for CIA director. HE'S A FALL GUY! So easy you'd think even liberals could figure this out. You take out the military as an institution and you take out Patreaus, AND AND you have a patsy for his mess in Libya. Now I stopped having respect for the guy after the "don't betray us petraeus" crap the left put out along with the then senator obama. I thought.. now here is a guy with more honor and dignity than all of them put together... he should have RESIGNED THEN, and blasted the hard core left, but instead he took it. So I figured, ok, another general who wants to move on up no matter what. Now that they smeared him, it's too late for him to come clean.

Yeah, it's pretty funny how the media is titilating over the sexual nature of this stuff given that they were the ones that looked the other way with Clinton's rapes and attacks. At the time I was with the federal government and I can tell you that would have been abuse and would have resulted in me being fired. Clinton taught us it doesn't matter... that the NAG (NOW, whatever they are called) gang aren't really about better treatment of women; they are all about abortion on demand and screwing Republicans.

But the story is the story that is being covered up by all this. OPEN THINE EYES, folks.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:53:56 AM

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Uh, cause he's head of the CIA?

How does someone who puts himself in that position know that the person he is having an affair with is not trying to steal military secrets?

And it is not about him "revealing" something he shouldn't. Or even about blackmail. It is about someone having access (to his room, his computer, his phone, documents, etc.) A spy doesn't get information only by asking people. They get information by gaining access to things regular people would never have access to.

And the fact that she is white, military, American, etc. - all irrelevant. Americans have been known to spy against their own for money. Also, people can reveal things inadvertently that compromise American interests, even if they are not a spy.
So, how exactly was Petraeus so sure he would not be compromised?

And at the end of day, the reason the affair was leaked was because Broadwell got jealous of another woman and started sending that woman emails that revealed how much Broadwell knew about Petraeus, including his whereabouts which is not always public knowledge (obviously so, for security purposes). She also revealed something about Benghazi during a speech she made that was not public information. So even though Petraeus trusted Broadwell to keep their affair secret and to keep information that he shared with her secret, it was something she was unable to do. So again, stepping back, I think when you are in a position like his, and you have an affair, you leave yourself vulnerable. You are relying on the trustworthiness of the other person to keep secrets, including military secrets that you might share or that the person might have access to.

Personally, the morality of the adultery is not something I really care about in this instance. That is a separate private matter for the couples in question to handle privately. Married people sometimes commit adultery. It happens. We are not the ones to judge that particular aspect of this situation.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:54:18 AM

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quote:

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Why is the media talking about this so much? I think it should have been a non-issue when Clinton cheated. Also when Anthony Weiner was sending Weiner-grams to everybody. Sooo.. am i missing something? How is his sleeping with some chick relevant to my life in any way?

If the reports of the whole incident are as reported in our media here it goes a bit farther then just a man sleeping with a person other than his wife.

It is claimed that a certain amount of classified military material was found on the woman Broadwell's home computer.

It is also claimed that the case was incidental to the originally investigated case where a military socialite named Kelly was the recipient of various anonymous threatening emails that originated on from Broadwell's computer, and the case revealed the affair.

It is also reported that inappropriate emails also flowed between a General Allen and the Kelly woman, and that further these generals also used certain fictitious email accounts to illegally communicate with each other without leaving the record as required.

One can fairly say this case goes a bit further then an extramarital affair.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:57:18 AM

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Well, we are probably gonna have to shoot his old lady too.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 7:57:36 AM

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Indeed.

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RE: Petraeus -- Why do we care? - 11/14/2012 8:00:11 AM

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What they all said....lol.
except the guy in the hat,I'm not echoing him for all the tea in China(is there really a lot of tea in China? why do people say that,it is just such a silly expression...I herewith vow to never ,ever use it again)

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