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slvemike4u -> Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 5:23:00 PM)

So Republican's,chief amongst them Sen.McCain,have declared that they will not confirm Susan Rice should the President nominate he to replace Sec.of State Clinton.
This is based on Susan Rice's alleged lies over the Benghazi attack....which,naturally,calls to mind the Honorable Sen McCain's voracious defense of one Condaleesa Rice despite her alleged lies over Sadaam's WMD's....none of which ,to date ,have been found.
Sen McCain when asked about the similarities by Anderson Cooper,had the nerve to feel he should remind Cooper that 4 Americans died in Benghazi......Anderson thought Sen McCain needed reminding about the thousands of soldiers that ,consequently,died in Iraq.
The hypocrisy is amazing,I really don't care what Susan Rice's next posting is,or whether or not she replaces Hillary....but I do care about such blatant hypocrisy and how the coming face-off between the President and Republican Senators might effect larger negotiations .




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 5:28:37 PM)

I expect the Republicans to continue to be as obstructionist as they have been for the last four years. Sadly.

Those who voted for Romney should sit back and consider the fact that we would be better off as a nation today if the Republicans had been more cooperative over the last four years.

Republican obstructionism (even down to things that should be routine) is destroying the government's ability to function. And for some reason Republican politicians and their supporters see this as a good thing.

If I hear one more Republican whining about the economy, I think you and I both need to remind them that progress actually takes Congressional cooperation.




subrob1967 -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 5:44:42 PM)

So are you saying that the left shouldn't hold Susan Rice up to the same level they tried to hold Condoleezza Rice up to? Who exactly is the hypocrite here?

The left set the fucking bar, don't whine when the republicans use it to measure Obama nominations.

The dems made that bed, now they got to sleep in it.

LMAO obstruction my ass... Only a progressive would consider 6 trillion in new spending obstruction.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 6:10:54 PM)

Republicans were silent about the national debt under Reagan and both Bush administrations (10 trillion worth). How interesting that now they suddenly have an issue about the debt. Under G.W. Bush the Republican mantra was that "deficits don't matter!" I guess that should be interpreted as "deficits don't matter when Republicans are in office".

Federal spending under Obama has actually gone up at a much slower rate than under Reagan and both Bush administrations.

Republicans also need to get real if we want to stop our annual deficits and start repaying our national debt. We will need to raise taxes. Even if the federal deficit is eliminated, we still need to find $16 trillion. That’s not going to happen without a tax hike.

When it comes to raising taxes on the wealthy, Republicans have been obstructionist.

And, when it comes to political nominations, the obstructionism that the Republicans are currently engaged in is absolutely unprecedented. The Republicans are obstructing nominations that they agree with just to obstruct.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/06/22/right-wing-blogger-covers-up-gops-historic-obst/185849

Quoted from the above article:

GOP's Historic Obstruction Of Obama Judicial Nominees

As the ABA noted in its letter, Obama nominees William Kayatta, Jr., Robert Bacharach, and Richard Taranto "are consensus nominees who have received overwhelming approval from the Senate Judiciary Committee." In addition, Kayatta and Bacharach have "the staunch support of" the Republican senators from their home states. And Taranto, who is nominated to a court with nationwide jurisdiction, has the "endorsement of noted conservative legal scholars."

Senate Republicans have announced that they are blocking all three of these nominees along with every single one of Obama's judicial nominees until after the presidential election, regardless of whether they would be good judges.

This level of obstruction has no precedent during the Bush administration. Since 1980, in fact, judicial confirmations have often continued through the summer and early fall of a presidential election year.

In 2004, when Bush ran for reelection and Republicans narrowly controlled the Senate, Democrats allowed the Senate to confirm every single non-controversial Bush appellate nominee. Furthermore, Senate Democrats even allowed Republicans to confirm a nominee who was opposed by a majority of the Democratic caucus.

On June 24, 2004, the Senate confirmed the nomination of Bush appellate court nominee Diane Sykes even though 27 of the 49 Senate Democrats opposed her nomination. On the same day, the Senate also confirmed the nominations of appellate court judges Peter Hall and William Duane Benton.

Following those confirmations, there were no Bush appellate court nominees left that did not have significant Democratic opposition or other problems preventing their confirmations. Of the 12 appellate court nominees pending on July 1, 2004, one, Claude Allen, withdrew after being caught shoplifting; six, Terrence Boyle, Richard Griffin, Susan Neilson, Henry Saad, David McKeague, and Carolyn Kuhl did not have the support of their home state Democratic senators; four, Priscilla Owen, Brett Kavanaugh, William Myers, and Janice Rogers Brown, had strong opposition from Senate Democrats; and one, Thomas Griffith was nominated in May 2004 and did not have a hearing until after the election.




DomKen -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 6:45:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So are you saying that the left shouldn't hold Susan Rice up to the same level they tried to hold Condoleezza Rice up to? Who exactly is the hypocrite here?

The left set the fucking bar, don't whine when the republicans use it to measure Obama nominations.

The dems made that bed, now they got to sleep in it.

LMAO obstruction my ass... Only a progressive would consider 6 trillion in new spending obstruction.

Condeleeza Rice lied or allowed herself to be misled about things that directly resulted in thousads of Americans dead and tens of thousands injured.
Susan Rice was given wrong conclusions by the CIA. Her actions resulted in zero deaths and zero injuries.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:06:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

So Republican's,chief amongst them Sen.McCain,have declared that they will not confirm Susan Rice should the President nominate he to replace Sec.of State Clinton.
This is based on Susan Rice's alleged lies over the Benghazi attack....which,naturally,calls to mind the Honorable Sen McCain's voracious defense of one Condaleesa Rice despite her alleged lies over Sadaam's WMD's....none of which ,to date ,have been found.
Sen McCain when asked about the similarities by Anderson Cooper,had the nerve to feel he should remind Cooper that 4 Americans died in Benghazi......Anderson thought Sen McCain needed reminding about the thousands of soldiers that ,consequently,died in Iraq.
The hypocrisy is amazing,I really don't care what Susan Rice's next posting is,or whether or not she replaces Hillary....but I do care about such blatant hypocrisy and how the coming face-off between the President and Republican Senators might effect larger negotiations .


They will blather for 6 weeks and then....she'll be nominated.




tazzygirl -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:07:20 PM)

So far they are way short of the 40 needed to block her.




slvemike4u -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:27:54 PM)

They need not be successful in their hypocrisy to be hypocrites.Nor to poison the water for moving forward on other matters [8|]




slvemike4u -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:34:41 PM)

As I said Tazzy,I have little invested in her next posting(as a matter of fact,zip)but is this simply the first salve that sets us up for another 4 years of gridlock ?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:46:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

They need not be successful in their hypocrisy to be hypocrites.Nor to poison the water for moving forward on other matters [8|]


Hey...chill with the hypocrisy crap....it's redundant....look back a few years...."they" did it too.

Dat be da way da game be played.

(It's stoooopit....but....Dat be da way da game be played).




tazzygirl -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:57:35 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

As I said Tazzy,I have little invested in her next posting(as a matter of fact,zip)but is this simply the first salve that sets us up for another 4 years of gridlock ?


For some, yes. Thats not what I am seeing in the majority though. Time will tell.




slvemike4u -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 7:57:56 PM)

Regardless of who did what a few years ago is not Sen John McCain(a man I would have been happy to vote for in 2000) engaging in hypocrisy right now.
Especially when one considers that he was just about condi's most vocal supporter in '05




slvemike4u -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 8:00:14 PM)

And to put a fine point on it where is the equivalency ,Condi lied so as to lay the groundwork for getting us into a war.....if Susan lied it was about an episode that had already taken place ,and one whose outcome was already written.
How do you see them as equal?




subrob1967 -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 10:40:17 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So are you saying that the left shouldn't hold Susan Rice up to the same level they tried to hold Condoleezza Rice up to? Who exactly is the hypocrite here?

The left set the fucking bar, don't whine when the republicans use it to measure Obama nominations.

The dems made that bed, now they got to sleep in it.

LMAO obstruction my ass... Only a progressive would consider 6 trillion in new spending obstruction.

Condeleeza Rice lied or allowed herself to be misled about things that directly resulted in thousads of Americans dead and tens of thousands injured.
Susan Rice was given wrong conclusions by the CIA. Her actions resulted in zero deaths and zero injuries.


Keep believing the lie Ken... Nobody will be surprised by your opinion...




Owner59 -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/14/2012 10:53:11 PM)

So who was Rice working for, when bush lied us into war?


Duhh.....[:-]




Yachtie -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/15/2012 3:06:35 AM)

It's Obama's administration. Give Rice the job.




Politesub53 -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/15/2012 4:25:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So are you saying that the left shouldn't hold Susan Rice up to the same level they tried to hold Condoleezza Rice up to? Who exactly is the hypocrite here?

The left set the fucking bar, don't whine when the republicans use it to measure Obama nominations.

The dems made that bed, now they got to sleep in it.

LMAO obstruction my ass... Only a progressive would consider 6 trillion in new spending obstruction.

Condeleeza Rice lied or allowed herself to be misled about things that directly resulted in thousads of Americans dead and tens of thousands injured.
Susan Rice was given wrong conclusions by the CIA. Her actions resulted in zero deaths and zero injuries.


Keep believing the lie Ken... Nobody will be surprised by your opinion...



Or by your bullshit Rob...... The two events are like chalk and cheese.




Moonhead -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/15/2012 4:40:27 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So are you saying that the left shouldn't hold Susan Rice up to the same level they tried to hold Condoleezza Rice up to? Who exactly is the hypocrite here?

Not when they weren't allowed to apply it to the first case, no.

Given up on that bet you lost already?




DomKen -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/15/2012 7:09:38 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

quote:

ORIGINAL: subrob1967

So are you saying that the left shouldn't hold Susan Rice up to the same level they tried to hold Condoleezza Rice up to? Who exactly is the hypocrite here?

The left set the fucking bar, don't whine when the republicans use it to measure Obama nominations.

The dems made that bed, now they got to sleep in it.

LMAO obstruction my ass... Only a progressive would consider 6 trillion in new spending obstruction.

Condeleeza Rice lied or allowed herself to be misled about things that directly resulted in thousads of Americans dead and tens of thousands injured.
Susan Rice was given wrong conclusions by the CIA. Her actions resulted in zero deaths and zero injuries.


Keep believing the lie Ken... Nobody will be surprised by your opinion...


Which part are you claiming is a lie?




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Hypocrisy.....a tale of two Rice's (11/15/2012 7:23:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: slvemike4u

Regardless of who did what a few years ago is not Sen John McCain(a man I would have been happy to vote for in 2000) engaging in hypocrisy right now.
Especially when one considers that he was just about condi's most vocal supporter in '05


Susan Rice.

Condaleeza Rice.




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