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Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/15/2012 3:15:28 PM   
SayangKitty


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Hello :)
I am posting this for my Dom...
We are very new to this, and I am searching for some tips, advice or any words of wisdom for him.
We have been researching online, but anything that can be offered will be appreciated ^_^
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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/15/2012 3:20:55 PM   
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Hiya Sayang. That's basically one of the reasons this website was created in the first place.
To help share knowledge and experience related to BDSM. I rarely venture anywhere else off this
site for information or discussion, but there are a few books that have helped as well.
I'd suggest the both of you visiting here and interacting with others. If there is a subject you'd
like to discuss, use the search feature in the upper right hand corner to see if there have been
previous discussions on it. If you still have questions about something, feel free to start a
thread and others will try to help you find the answers.

Here is a wonderful book list. I'm sure you'll find something in there for the both of you. Best of luck!
http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/tm.htm

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/15/2012 3:25:06 PM   
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Thanks so much :)
I would like him to post too, but he doesn't like forums, so I'm posting for both of us lol.

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 1:26:35 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: SayangKitty
We are very new to this, and I am searching for some tips, advice or any words of wisdom for him.

OK, here's a tip.

"this" is a vast ocean of wildly different things. None of us have any idea what it is that you are new to. Accordingly, none of us have any really helpful tips or advice or words of wisdom.

I'd strongly recommend filling out your profile and including a bit more detail in your questions.. Many of us like to help but just trying to generally help someone with BDSM is too broad a topic to even address.


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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 3:41:43 AM   
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We like to help people. That said, your question is a bit like walking into a library and saying 'tell me about books'.

This thing we do covers a massive range of things. I will be into stuff you've never dreamed of, and vice versa. Some of us live in Owner/Property relationships 24/7. Some of us don't have any power exchange but like to play with pain. Some of us like to get out there and be beaten black and blue in public. Some of us wouldn't like to be in a swimsuit at the beach. There are those of us with high protocol, and some with low or no protocol. Those that favour bare-handed spankings and furry handcuffs and those who spend their weekends sticking their partners with needles and suspending them from the ceiling.

Have a look at the book list. Have a poke around at some of the threads and then see if you can narrow down your question. Would you like to know about equipment? Techniques? Safety? Power exchanges? Do you want to philosophize about how dominance and submission interact with your spiritual side, or would you like to have a conversation about the practicalities of micromanaging?

It's so hard at the beginning to even know where to start. But the good news is, whatever issues or dilemmas you might face, chances are someone here has been through it too so don't be afraid to ask.

There's also a search button on the top right of the screen, if you type in a keyword you can see recent threads on that subject. See if any of those answer your questions (but if you find an interesting thread that is more than three months old, best to start a new one on the subject rather than bump an old one).

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 4:27:31 AM   
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i second what others have said, but i also think your dom should be reading and educating himself along with you. anyone who is going to be in control of another person, at any point, should have first hand knowledge of what kinds of responsibilities, safety measures, and precautions that comes with being a dom/me.

this might already be the case, but i'm just throwing it out there. happy reading!

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 4:59:16 AM   
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Every spoken word
Every action
Every intention
Every promise
Every breach
Every touch
Every implication
Every moment
Every day


Counts


Be responsible.
Read and assess.
Know your submissive.
Act with kindness.
Do not falter,
Lead them.
Promote your bond.
Do not take more than you are willing to give.
Respect with dignity.
put yourself in their place and know what you have been given.
Be Strong for them




Aftercare is essential.


Don't stop reading.

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 8:29:24 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: absolutchocolat

i second what others have said, but i also think your dom should be reading and educating himself along with you. anyone who is going to be in control of another person, at any point, should have first hand knowledge of what kinds of responsibilities, safety measures, and precautions that comes with being a dom/me.



I agree with this. So, he doesn't like forums. He doesn't view your relationship and learning about WIITWD to be worth tolerating the forums? I would have an issue with that.

From that book list I would recommend The Loving Dominant by John Warren...and I recommend forgetting that the Shades of Grey books exist.

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 10:49:24 AM   
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Thanks for all the advice everyone :) lots to learn I guess. I shall have to think of more specific questions. As for him, it's not that he doesn't care...he is reading and learning, but the forums were my idea and what I wanted to do. He does care very much, I really want that to be clear :)

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 11:07:27 AM   
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Hey hey... you don't need to know all the answers before you can ask a question. But if you'd at least get us somewhere in the ballpark. This "this" that you speak about... is it?

Some kinky scenes you do on the weekends in the bedroom?
Does it involve sex at all?
Are there specific technique areas you should be learning about from a safety standpoint (whipping, rope bondage, etc)?
Does this go outside the bedroom in some way?
Are you a "no limits slave" of some sort?
Have you given yourself as property to this man (permanently)?

That's the problem. For all I know the "this" that you are interested in is some specific type of rope bondage. On the other hand, it might be 24/7 TPE slavery. I'm sure you can see how those two things are VASTLY different.

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 11:57:27 AM   
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Ok! :) I think I have some more specific questions.

The first is that I'm not sure what sort of relationship my partner and I have. We only started looking at M/s and bdsm recently but have been in a serious relationship for about a year now.
The way we have been working is that he gave me a necklace that I can wear whenever and take off whenever I want. While I wear it, however, the M/s is in effect. If I had my way, I'd wear it all the time, but he says it's very distracting when we are out with friends, so I guess he likes me wearing it as much as I do ^_^;; lol also since we work in the same kitchen, I have to take it off then too. Of course, since he outranks me he still gets to order me around lmao but only in a professional sort of way.

That's about as far as we have gotten, though...Most of the research we've done together, and while we do we discuss what we read...we have both agreed that financials and anything affecting our careers are out of the question. We are both cooks (aspiring to be red seal chefs someday!) and it's a competitive, high stress environment and we are both pretty ambitious. Also anything related to our church involvement is out of the question.

Other than that, it's pretty much fair game. I wear the necklace pretty much all the time, except church and work. For someone who only started researching a few weeks ago, he's really taken it to heart in the past week; giving me looks or pokes when I'm a nuisance (or spanks when we are in private), or pats and encouragement when I do something good, just as a couple examples...but we are very much novices. Obviously, I couldn't even ask the right questions! :P

I hope this is adequate enough and not too rambling. I'm very excited to learn more so we can do it right and I really want to make him happy :)

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 12:21:52 PM   
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It sounds like you are already starting in the right direction.

I know this is boring advice, but the single best thing you can do is talk. How did that feel? What were you thinking when you did this? Did you like that? What would you think if I said x?

I think it's best to start with some simple rules/expectations. And I do mean simple. Like maybe you ask his permission before going on a night out, or you write your feelings in a journal once a week, or you always wear your hair down when you're out of work. Anything will do, as long as it means something to the two of you. Just get a taste of how it feels. See how that works. Do you envision him giving you lots of strict rules? Do you want him to control what you wear, what you eat, what you do with your spare time? You said 'when you are a nuisance'. What do you do that annoys him? Don't tell me, but see if there is something you can work on there. If it annoys him that you put your feet up on the sofa, make a conscious effort to stop. If you have a tendency to be late, work on that. At the same time, he should be looking at himself and asking if he is the kind of person fit to lead, and making himself better.

Most of the time, D/s isn't about big things. It's about little things. It's about small acts of service like refilling a drink or running a bath or buying his brand of soda.

You are so very shiny and new that it's hard to say 'you need to do x, y and z'. All I can really say is you need to try things, and then talk about it and adjust. Be honest with each other, agree that there will be no hard feelings if you disagree over something, and be willing to work at it. Eventually you will figure out what makes the most smiles for you both.

Can you go to a munch and meet some people who are living this? It might help just to see how they relate to each other. I know you don't want to involve work or church, and that's fine. In the long run though you might find that it doesn't matter where you are, because a simple 'he's the boss' attitude doesn't mark you out as kinky.

Some things to talk about:
- do you want to have any little rituals to connect? Anything from fixing his first drink of the night to kneeling and having a collar fitted before bed.
- how would you feel if he asked you to do something you were a little bit uncomfortable with? or something really boring?
- do you think you would like protocols or something more informal?
- do you want to explore bondage and s&m or are you looking for more of an old-fashioned man and wife situation?
- what happens if one of you wants to stop and the other doesn't?
- if you are going to play, what limits will there be? (as in, no drawing blood etc)
- another play one - safety. Talk a lot about how to be safe and think about safewords.

and, I'm going to put this one separately because it's a big confusing one to start out with:
-Do you want a punishment dynamic? Will he punish you if you break a rule? What about if it was an accident? What would a punishment be? Would that make you feel secure and owned or angry and rejected?

There are no right answers. There is no set way of doing this. If you came to visit me, Jeff, and Oside, you'd find three totally different, but still satisfying and functional D/s relationships. Don't ever do something because you've read that's the 'right' way. The right way is what works for you both.

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 12:28:15 PM   
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You have been given some good advice so far.

Here's a link to a thread about some books of interest. Most of these titles can be found on Amazon. http://www.collarchat.com/m_1726118/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#1726118

Then get yourselves to a munch. A munch is a BDSM meet and greet with other kinky people in your area.

Google munch and your zipcode to find groups close to you.




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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 12:30:41 PM   
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Thank you so much! That was very helpful :) I think I am going to like this forum very much

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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 12:42:32 PM   
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No, you're post was not at all too long... not for my tastes anyway.

I'll go you one further. I don't think you need to learn much. You two are already wisely "going slow". Probably the biggest mistake in M/s that I've personally observed is some couple runs into it or starts up and they want it all TODAY. In my experience real dynamics take real trust and real respect and real learning which all takes real time to accomplish. So I love the idea that it is a "sometimes" M/s relationship. My only advice in that space is just tackle things one step at a time and be prepared for setbacks. My rule when I was "enslaving" Carol was that I was building this structure to last the next 40 years or so. It NEEDED to be done right. If I found a bad brick in the foundation then I would happily rip out rows of bricks to get at it, repair it, then rebuild. I didn't want it all TODAY. I wanted it RIGHT eventually.

The next piece of advice I'm going to give you is that it is all about you two. While it is fine for you to come here and get input from people nothing that you read should be taken as gospel. Each and every bit of advice needs to be measured against what actually makes you two happy. Avoid measuring your relationship against some fictional standard of "true M/s" or someone else's factual standard of M/s. Be more focused on truly being good for each other. Along your journey various people are going to tell you that you aren't doing it right because you aren't doing it like them. Those sorts of people may be safely laughed at. The very comment brands them as ignorant.

THERE IS NO ONE TRUE WAY. THERE IS NO PERFECT SLAVE. THIS IS NOT A BODICE RIPPER OR A GOREAN BOOK.

Keep your feet firmly planted in the actual reality in your actual living room. Love, respect, and honor each other well. All will work out well from there.

In the end, there isn't much to learn because here's the sum total of my demand on Carol. "Obey until you don't want to any more." It's not complicated. It's not hard. There's little to be confused about. What I want out of her is to "have my back". If I'm going to be leading this pack then I want to make damned sure that if I lead us out into a swamp and alligators are staring at me and licking their lips when I turn around I'm not going to be abandoned. I just want her to follow as well as I try to lead.



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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/16/2012 2:04:17 PM   
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I posted this before so I'm cutting and pasting rather than trying to write it from memory

Be emotionally mature. Have self discipline. Rule your cock instead of the other way around. Develop some empathy, some insight into others. Be a man of character, integrity, decency, values. Always be honest. Learn to listen and listen to learn. Remember that a thing once said can never be retracted, so think before you speak. Don't make threats, they are for losers. Instead inspire. And know that ultimatums trap you far more than they do her. Give faith to get it. Be considerate of what's happening inside of/to her. Lead by example, not verbiage. Think with the big head. Realize that while you may fall for the wrapping paper, it's what's inside that you ultimately fall for. Have the strength to love, forgive. Be kind enough to be strict and firm enough to be fair .Be a man of your word, not of words. And know that trust can take a lifetime to achieve and be lost in a minute. Make her laugh. Win her heart and dominion over her body may one day be yours.
And most of all, be consistent. God yes, if nothing else, do this.

The observant reader may note that I said absolutely zip about whips, chains, floggers and all the assorted gizmos and shit that fetishists like. That's because I can train a monkey to wield a crop, but very, very few people have the capacity to reign.
Which is why it's worlds easier for a good master to find a sub/slave in the BDSM world than the other way around, despite what all the number obsessed nimrods say.


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RE: Looking for advice and tips please :) - 11/26/2012 5:36:55 PM   
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I've found that never stop learning and practice being patient were good starts...

As for tips, keep your toys clean and tucked away when company comes over...unless you're into that sort of thing.

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