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I don't think Big Brother's ideology was ever specified, though he was more likely right leaning given when the book was written.
Animal Farm was a specific attack on Stalin (and a pretty devastating one at that), but Orwell's beef was more that Stalin wasn't much of a leftist or commie, surely?

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Liberalism has a certain bent to it. It's seen in various forms of government regulation and/or control of social behavior. It's not that everything Liberalism concocts is adopted, but that such is even proposed. It's evident within the mindset. Liberalism is quite Orwellian. Liberalism is anything but a bastion of Liberty. Liberalism is anti-American. Now before all the Liberals get their panties in a wad, yes the report advocating the proposition is out of Sidney, Australia. Australia has its Liberalism too.

Here's a recent example -

WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.

In this week’s PLOS Medicine medical journal, two leading tobacco control advocates debate the merits of the smoker’s license. Simon Chapman, a professor at the University of Sydney, proposes that users would have to apply and pay for a mandatory license in the form of a smartcard that would be shown when buying cigarettes.

Dr. Chapman wrote that it could discourage young people from picking up the habit.


Professor Collin believes that limits to personal freedom will doom such legislation.

“The authoritarian connotations of the smoker’s license would inevitably meet with broad opposition,” Collin told the Daily Mail. “In the United Kingdom, for example, successive governments have failed to introduce identity cards.”


Liberals love authoritarianism. Liberals love government empowered with great authority. The proof is that over time one will always find them advocating for such. Society cannot be engineered without it. Liberalism is force by government. Liberalism tells people what they may do and how they may do it. Liberalism is expensive. Liberalism is parasitic. Liberalism is control.

It's slavery dressed in silk.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Some have called Orwell a kind of 'conservative anarchist'. He retained strong left-wing views till the end but disliked a lot of his nominally lefty contemporaries. He was odd. Mostly he was about disillusionment with the Stalin project. Just as well he didn't turn that bitterness into another Ayn Rand ideology, thank God.

The fact that you would even discuss this makes you so hot right now.

I know, I know...... Off Topic.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Do we take in enough? According to the CDC, no.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yeah. He knows. I just have to get him across the pond.

I think one of the first emails I ever sent him was to finish the poem......

"Oranges and lemons say the bells of St Clemons....."

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Do we take in enough? According to the CDC, no.

well,.. that was my point.. that the (sin) tax revenue does not cover the health & related costs of the "sin".. here at least..

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: tj444

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ORIGINAL: Aswad
spreading the payment over those that engage in the risks,

I doubt the amount of tax collected (in any country) comes close to paying the actual health & related costs for their smokers once they do get directly or indirectly sick from smoking..

That'd be quite wrong for the UK. The higher end of the estimated costs of tobacco smoking are about £5 billion. The government gets about £10 billion in tax. The first figure would come closer to the second if smokers were to live longer; the government saves quite a chunk there, of course, on not just health costs but pensions and other old people's benefits.

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

Liberalism has a certain bent to it. It's seen in various forms of government regulation and/or control of social behavior. It's not that everything Liberalism concocts is adopted, but that such is even proposed. It's evident within the mindset. Liberalism is quite Orwellian. Liberalism is anything but a bastion of Liberty. Liberalism is anti-American. Now before all the Liberals get their panties in a wad, yes the report advocating the proposition is out of Sidney, Australia. Australia has its Liberalism too.

Here's a recent example -

WASHINGTON (CBS DC) – A public health proposal suggests that tobacco smokers should be required to apply and pay for a “smoker’s license” in order to continue buying cigarettes.

In this week’s PLOS Medicine medical journal, two leading tobacco control advocates debate the merits of the smoker’s license. Simon Chapman, a professor at the University of Sydney, proposes that users would have to apply and pay for a mandatory license in the form of a smartcard that would be shown when buying cigarettes.

Dr. Chapman wrote that it could discourage young people from picking up the habit.


Professor Collin believes that limits to personal freedom will doom such legislation.

“The authoritarian connotations of the smoker’s license would inevitably meet with broad opposition,” Collin told the Daily Mail. “In the United Kingdom, for example, successive governments have failed to introduce identity cards.”


Liberals love authoritarianism. Liberals love government empowered with great authority. The proof is that over time one will always find them advocating for such. Society cannot be engineered without it. Liberalism is force by government. Liberalism tells people what they may do and how they may do it. Liberalism is expensive. Liberalism is parasitic. Liberalism is control.

It's slavery dressed in silk.

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Here's a recent example -

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn

I think that what you are smoking is neither tobacco nor marijuana.

Definitely good stuff, whatever it is you've got ahold of.


TELL IT!, brother, TELL IT!

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yeah. He knows. I just have to get him across the pond.

I think one of the first emails I ever sent him was to finish the poem......

"Oranges and lemons say the bells of St Clemons....."

now I have it stuck in my head!!!

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yeah. He knows. I just have to get him across the pond.

I think one of the first emails I ever sent him was to finish the poem......

"Oranges and lemons say the bells of St Clemons....."

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Yeah. He knows. I just have to get him across the pond.

I think one of the first emails I ever sent him was to finish the poem......

"Oranges and lemons say the bells of St Clemons....."

now I have it stuck in my head!!!

Is it lonely?