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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 4:42:29 PM   
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Im all for a fat bonus for executives who are making changes for a business that nets fat profits.

Why should they get a bonus for doing their job?

As an incentive to reduce costs.... Im not talking about every year here.

The reason management is paid more than labor is to manage effeciently therefore a bonus for doing your job is bulshit.


The job may be to manage efficiently, and an incentive to do just that may include a "bonus" as part of the package. If you simply meet the job requirements, you mght not get a bonus, but if you do very well, you might get a hefty bonus. If it's written into the compensation package, then it's more than just a bonus for doing your job. It's a bonus for doing your job better than just gettin' 'er done.


Jesus h. motherfucking christ, have you not been reading the thread in which you are posting ? It has been established how much these punk ass motherfuckers are paid and that their mismanagement has put the company into bankruptsy twice in the past ten years. Why are you trying to defend a bonus/salery increase for a bunch of asswipes who have proved that they have no managemet abilities what so ever? If they had been labor they would have been fired half way through their first shift. Why do you choose to fill your post with this moronic drivil?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 4:45:19 PM   
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Tell that to Microsoft who has over 4,000 jobs that start at 90 grand a year, yet they can't find people skilled enough to do them.



When you offer $45 an hour for a position that pays $60 an hour why is it so difficult for you to see why no one wants go work for less?


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When a company is willing to pay the feds an additional 15K over and above what they ask for now for an H1B Visa (and STILL pay 85 - 125K a year for the position, regardless of your citizenship)....why is it so difficult for you to see any kind of concept relating to reality?

Why don't you tell us just how that works?
You seem to be saying that micrsoft is paying the feds 15K per visa per year...Is that what you are saying?
You have also changed the pay that microsoft is paying from $45 per hour to $62.50 per hour. Please make up your mind which pay scale you are arguing.


Uhmmmm....that's exactly what I'm saying....they're paying starting wages of between 85K a year ($41.00 an hour) and 125K a year ($60.00 an hour) to anyone who can do the task AND willing to pay an ADDITIONAL 15K to the feds to get people who can do the task....yeah....that's exactly what I'm saying...nothing less than that....exactly that....no less than that.

There SHOULD be no confusion as to what I'm saying (unless Nouns and Verbs are your problem) because what I've said previously and what I'm saying now, at this EXACT moment...are in fact....

The same thing.

I'm sure it may be somewhat complicated for you to discern but....reviewing (my) past posts, you'll find exact concurrency in all.

Any questions?




Yes ...how about some validation for the moronic tripe in your post.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 4:48:21 PM   
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Oh get off it. America is still a fat tinkie eating nation just most of it is eating from the food bank at the moment, that has a shortage by the way . Its not just hostess either. The teacher's union is responsible for us having one of the worst educational systems at the mometn. You can't even work if you have a masters and start because the unions wont let you take a normal starting wage and no school will hire. but according the teacher union our educational system is in shambles because they don't make enough so the teachers don't have enough incentive. Just recently the local metal workers union wouldn't take a new contract because the company couldn't afford a the current wage anymore. the workers had to strike against their union or all the metal workers would be with out a job. I think it has a lot to do with the union.


While I'm not going to argue that Unions have some responsibility in the fall of Hostess, giving exec's raises/bonuses and then turning around and asking for concessions from the Union workers is bad business.


Bud, I have to (respectfully) argue here....the execs were running the show, holding the reigns....they did what they felt best and gave the plebes a chance to join.

They chose not to.

Wanna sit in the big chair?

Buy a ticket.

From what I've read about it, that wasn't the deal on the table and they didn't give the plebs a chance to join.

Firstly, they took all the goodies and raped the company and left fuck-all in the kitty for anyone else.
Next, they spouted that the company was broke and couldn't afford the current wages, the pensions and the medical cover for the employees.
So they put forward a reduced pay scale with reduced pensions and a 75% cut in medical cover with a take-it-or-leave-it option.
What else were the unions supposed to do? They asked their members and they said "no way" to that stinking offer.
Other unions decided that some form of job was better than none, even if it meant really shit wages and shit conditions that nobody really liked.

If they all had a fair bite of the cherry, I'm willing to bet that the outcome would have been vastly different.

Those in charge nicked the money and told the workers there wasn't anything left in the pot to keep the company running and the only cure was for them to have to work the same hours with lower wages and considerably less benefits.
That's just sheer greed and hypocrisy!


With that scenario, I'd tell them where to stick it and let the company fold.
Fuck 'em!!

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 4:55:56 PM   
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Tell that to Microsoft who has over 4,000 jobs that start at 90 grand a year, yet they can't find people skilled enough to do them.



When you offer $45 an hour for a position that pays $60 an hour why is it so difficult for you to see why no one wants go work for less?


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When a company is willing to pay the feds an additional 15K over and above what they ask for now for an H1B Visa (and STILL pay 85 - 125K a year for the position, regardless of your citizenship)....why is it so difficult for you to see any kind of concept relating to reality?

Why don't you tell us just how that works?
You seem to be saying that micrsoft is paying the feds 15K per visa per year...Is that what you are saying?
You have also changed the pay that microsoft is paying from $45 per hour to $62.50 per hour. Please make up your mind which pay scale you are arguing.


Uhmmmm....that's exactly what I'm saying....they're paying starting wages of between 85K a year ($41.00 an hour) and 125K a year ($60.00 an hour) to anyone who can do the task AND willing to pay an ADDITIONAL 15K to the feds to get people who can do the task....yeah....that's exactly what I'm saying...nothing less than that....exactly that....no less than that.

There SHOULD be no confusion as to what I'm saying (unless Nouns and Verbs are your problem) because what I've said previously and what I'm saying now, at this EXACT moment...are in fact....

The same thing.

I'm sure it may be somewhat complicated for you to discern but....reviewing (my) past posts, you'll find exact concurrency in all.

Any questions?




Yes ...how about some validation for the moronic tripe in your post.


How about you get off your fat ass and look up what starting wages are at Microsoft for engineers?

(It's not really that tough....pretty typical for folks who have naught...."got something to back that up with?"

Uh huh....the truth).

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:00:08 PM   
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Tell that to Microsoft who has over 4,000 jobs that start at 90 grand a year, yet they can't find people skilled enough to do them.



When you offer $45 an hour for a position that pays $60 an hour why is it so difficult for you to see why no one wants go work for less?


quote:

When a company is willing to pay the feds an additional 15K over and above what they ask for now for an H1B Visa (and STILL pay 85 - 125K a year for the position, regardless of your citizenship)....why is it so difficult for you to see any kind of concept relating to reality?

Why don't you tell us just how that works?
You seem to be saying that micrsoft is paying the feds 15K per visa per year...Is that what you are saying?
You have also changed the pay that microsoft is paying from $45 per hour to $62.50 per hour. Please make up your mind which pay scale you are arguing.


Uhmmmm....that's exactly what I'm saying....they're paying starting wages of between 85K a year ($41.00 an hour) and 125K a year ($60.00 an hour) to anyone who can do the task AND willing to pay an ADDITIONAL 15K to the feds to get people who can do the task....yeah....that's exactly what I'm saying...nothing less than that....exactly that....no less than that.

There SHOULD be no confusion as to what I'm saying (unless Nouns and Verbs are your problem) because what I've said previously and what I'm saying now, at this EXACT moment...are in fact....

The same thing.

I'm sure it may be somewhat complicated for you to discern but....reviewing (my) past posts, you'll find exact concurrency in all.

Any questions?




Yes ...how about some validation for the moronic tripe in your post.


By the way, just as an aside....I'm not that into seafood but...I've heard tripe ain't that bad.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:01:16 PM   
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...sit on your ass while the market is passing you by.

...ring up $100's of million in debt to cover your ass...while in bankruptcy.

...continue to give yourself (and your drinking buddies) big raises and $millions in severence pay...while in bankruptcy.

...easily pay for you and your families healthcare and retirement.

And when it all blows up finally after a career going bankrupt (must have read Trump)

...BLAME the UNIONS. It's all good.....

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:02:16 PM   
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Oh get off it. America is still a fat tinkie eating nation just most of it is eating from the food bank at the moment, that has a shortage by the way . Its not just hostess either. The teacher's union is responsible for us having one of the worst educational systems at the mometn. You can't even work if you have a masters and start because the unions wont let you take a normal starting wage and no school will hire. but according the teacher union our educational system is in shambles because they don't make enough so the teachers don't have enough incentive. Just recently the local metal workers union wouldn't take a new contract because the company couldn't afford a the current wage anymore. the workers had to strike against their union or all the metal workers would be with out a job. I think it has a lot to do with the union.


While I'm not going to argue that Unions have some responsibility in the fall of Hostess, giving exec's raises/bonuses and then turning around and asking for concessions from the Union workers is bad business.


Bud, I have to (respectfully) argue here....the execs were running the show, holding the reigns....they did what they felt best and gave the plebes a chance to join.

They chose not to.

Wanna sit in the big chair?

Buy a ticket.

From what I've read about it, that wasn't the deal on the table and they didn't give the plebs a chance to join.

Firstly, they took all the goodies and raped the company and left fuck-all in the kitty for anyone else.
Next, they spouted that the company was broke and couldn't afford the current wages, the pensions and the medical cover for the employees.
So they put forward a reduced pay scale with reduced pensions and a 75% cut in medical cover with a take-it-or-leave-it option.
What else were the unions supposed to do? They asked their members and they said "no way" to that stinking offer.
Other unions decided that some form of job was better than none, even if it meant really shit wages and shit conditions that nobody really liked.

If they all had a fair bite of the cherry, I'm willing to bet that the outcome would have been vastly different.

Those in charge nicked the money and told the workers there wasn't anything left in the pot to keep the company running and the only cure was for them to have to work the same hours with lower wages and considerably less benefits.
That's just sheer greed and hypocrisy!


With that scenario, I'd tell them where to stick it and let the company fold.
Fuck 'em!!



I'm fairly certain (some may wish to correct me) that that's pretty much exactly what they indeed....said.

(How'd that work out for them?).

< Message edited by LookieNoNookie -- 11/26/2012 5:14:05 PM >

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:12:34 PM   
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This IS capitalism babydolls:

...sit on your ass while the market is passing you by.

...ring up $100's of million in debt to cover your ass...while in bankruptcy.

...continue to give yourself (and your drinking buddies) big raises and $millions in severence ("severance")...it's okay...you're probably a union member....perfectly understandable....pay...while in bankruptcy.

...easily pay for you and your families healthcare and retirement.

And when it all blows up finally after a career going bankrupt (must have read Trump)

...BLAME the UNIONS. It's all good.....


It is beyond stunning how so few understand broad scope economics.

This isn't about unions.

Any business person with 100 or more employees not only respects unions, but frankly, loves them (those with fewer employees....hate them).

Unions (for larger employees) actually train employees to meet said employers goals (it's in their interests to do so). They cover health care (at 70%, while non union employers often cover them at 100%, such as my firms), they take care of pensions (not that you'll ever receive it, and for those who work fewer than 5 years...."never" is the operative word).

But for those who work hard, give their all (such as police, fire and related, those that put their lives on the line, commensurate with what we all as a society deem their value to be)...I say pay 'em all we agreed to and more.

X's 12!

Painters, asphalt, others....uhhhh.....no.

Slime (not the painters.....not the pavers....the union fucks that seem to know better).

I probably need to learn to express my true feelings more accurately.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:13:28 PM   
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By the way, just as an aside....I'm not that into seafood but...I've heard tripe ain't that bad.

psst, Tripe isn't seafood, it's stomach. It's part of what the Brits used to call "Umbles" or organ meats.
Guess where the term Humble (umble) pie came from?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:15:33 PM   
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By the way, just as an aside....I'm not that into seafood but...I've heard tripe ain't that bad.

psst, Tripe isn't seafood, it's stomach. It's part of what the Brits used to call "Umbles" or organ meats.
Guess where the term Humble (umble) pie came from?


Oh...well, that's even more disgusting than seafood.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:16:49 PM   
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By the way, just as an aside....I'm not that into seafood but...I've heard tripe ain't that bad.

psst, Tripe isn't seafood, it's stomach. It's part of what the Brits used to call "Umbles" or organ meats.
Guess where the term Humble (umble) pie came from?


Oh...well, that's even more disgusting than seafood.

WTF didja expect. Brits and Frenchmen eat it.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:18:03 PM   
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By the way, just as an aside....I'm not that into seafood but...I've heard tripe ain't that bad.

psst, Tripe isn't seafood, it's stomach. It's part of what the Brits used to call "Umbles" or organ meats.
Guess where the term Humble (umble) pie came from?


Oh...well, that's even more disgusting than seafood.

WTF didja expect. Brits and Frenchmen eat it.


Bastages.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:19:53 PM   
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Yes ...how about some validation for the moronic tripe in your post.


How about you get off your fat ass and look up what starting wages are at Microsoft for engineers?

(It's not really that tough....pretty typical for folks who have naught...."got something to back that up with?"

Uh huh....the truth).


"How about you get off your fat ass and" validate your assertions... otherwise they remain "moronic tripe"



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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:21:31 PM   
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Yes ...how about some validation for the moronic tripe in your post.


How about you get off your fat ass and look up what starting wages are at Microsoft for engineers?

(It's not really that tough....pretty typical for folks who have naught...."got something to back that up with?"

Uh huh....the truth).


"How about you get off your fat ass and" validate your assertions... otherwise it remains "moronic tripe"




Enjoy your indulgence as well as your lack.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:25:38 PM   
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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:37:44 PM   
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Continue to post ignorant bullshit and expect to have it pointed out to you.


Yes well...you just show me the door....won't you?

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:47:22 PM   
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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 5:55:37 PM   
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My guess is that you are not a menudo afficianado.

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RE: A few Labor Leader, cost 18,500 their jobs - 11/26/2012 6:14:46 PM   
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