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Owner59 -> RE: Are we headed toward ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 7:21:14 PM)

 Chicken hawks always send someone else`s kid to die.....that`s what makes them chicken....

So.....how can a true cock-sucker-neo-con top that level selfish indifference and maleficence?

Damm a whole population to die......

The only way the Palestinians are ever going to give up their land and homes............. is to kill them......... all.   Short of that,they will never give up.

And tho some of our cowardly-cali-chicken-hawk-cons advocate a genocide......... as the "final solution" in Gaza......I don`t think the Israelis are up for that.




Marini -> RE: Are we headed toward ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 7:24:29 PM)

Owner, I am not sure if you are following---but this is NOT just about the Israel/Palestinian situation, it's about EVERYTHING that is and has been going on in the Middle East.

Its Israel/Palestinian territories, Lebanon,, Syria, Libya, Iran, Iraq, Egypt and any other country I left out.

It's the whole kettle of fish, and how the entire situation will eventually be played out.

This is just a hypothetical thread to discuss some possible future end games in the Middle East.




Owner59 -> RE: Are we headed toward ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 7:27:14 PM)

That .tho....is at the root of the problem and the source of 90% of the grief.




tweakabelle -> RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 7:54:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Then the question would be how many lives the west is prepared to lose, to prevent it from happening. I cant see invading Iran and Syria would make things any better.

The solution has to come from those involved. If they refuse to back down on both sides we need to decide if we just stand back and watch it happen, or take on side or another. Neither option presents any type of solution in my view.

As horrible as it seems, we may be reaching the point where nobody has a solution and the whole thing just escalates out of control.

Seems to me Polite that nothing that we(the west) has ever initiated there takes hold or has long lasting effect.The only successful reform and or peace initiative is one that is of their own making.
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It is fallacious to pretend that the West is some kind of benevolent, observer without an agenda of its own in ME matters. That may be the attitude of Western people, but our Govts do not reflect this at all.

Just one example: The West arms and equips many countries there - most notably the US which sells massive amounts of arms and armaments to the Israelis, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States and other assorted despots. Not that France, the UK and Germany are that far behind the US in the arms sales business.

Some things that the West could do to help ease tensions there:
1. Force Israel to the negotiating table and to conclude a just peace with the Palestinians based on the relevant UN Security Council resolutions. This, along with item #6 below, are probably the single most productive things the West can do)
2. Stop all arms sales to the region.
3. Broker negotiations to establish a region-wide nuclear weapons free zone.
4. Announce that the West will not do business with any non-democratic State in the region, giving local States a 5 year period to change, and offering assistance in constructing nation-building and democracy building institutions.
5. Start listening to and supporting democratic movements in non-democratic countries - the West has never listened to or consulted the local people about their needs and aspirations. It's time to start.
6. Withdraw all Western armies from Iraq and Afghanistan. There is no good reason for Western armies to be active in the region, except as part of an international peace keeping force (eg the UN in South Lebanon)

These are 6 straightforward things that the West can do immediately to help defuse tensions in the region. Or we could carry on as usual, supporting vicious tyrants and outlaw States, arming any one with enough $ to the teeth and then looking the other way when Western arms are used to suppress local population, buttress tyrants or to enforce aggression and belligerence.

But please, let's stop deluding ourselves that we are wise kind-hearted disinterested observers who only want the best for the region. We are nothing of the kind.




TheHeretic -> RE: Are we headed toward ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 8:15:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

This is just a hypothetical thread to discuss some possible future end games in the Middle East.



It isn't going to matter how many times you repeat it, Mari, or what gibberish was posted that you were replying to.

I would encourage you though, to find a source you like (there are lots) and get a clearer understanding of the beliefs in play on he other side of the cultural divide.




Marini -> RE: Are we headed toward ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 8:29:03 PM)

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It isn't going to matter how many times you repeat it, Mari, or what gibberish was posted that you were replying to.

I would encourage you though, to find a source you like (there are lots) and get a clearer understanding of the beliefs in play on he other side of the cultural divide.


Rich, I am finished repeating it, I know threads take twists/turns and end up all over the map.

I don't expect a lot of direct answers to direct questions on message boards.
I enjoyed attempting to redirect people back to my OP.
[;)]
I have enjoyed reading the responses posted.
I appreciate the food for thought that members have shared.

In the end, we all know, time will tell.




TheHeretic -> RE: Are we headed toward ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/18/2012 9:05:54 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Marini

In the end, we all know, time will tell.



And the history of it will be written by whoever can claw their way out of the ashes, if it goes as bad as it could, Mari. Probably the Chinese, because they both have the numbers, and India will get most of the fallout.




Aylee -> RE: Are we headed towards ALL out war in the Middle East? (11/19/2012 6:26:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Are we headed to all out war in the Middle East?
If your answer is NO, please tell me why you feel that way also.


You mean that we are not there already?




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