Collarspace Discussion Forums


Home  Login  Search 

RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe


View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
 
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe Page: <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:20:33 AM   
GoddessInanna


Posts: 20
Joined: 10/17/2011
Status: offline
Of course leave it to a liberal to twist everything around as the detail of mexico or Cuban would not change the point of his being the first Latin President , a point they did not play up . Paul Ryan's family was the one that immigrated from Cuban. Notice Cuban's tend to vote Conservative. Why is that? Could it be due to the liberal progressive movement which is far too close to communist in their social policies with Progressive Movement being a communist movement in itself and the liberals using race and class war fare to push their socialist agenda, including bankrupting the country. If anyone knows little about American politics its the people on here that nit pick looking for any way to turn the subject away from the real point to discredit it, even though their argument misses the real point by a huge mark, but then if they faced the real point they don't have a leg to stand on.

(in reply to mnottertail)
Profile   Post #: 61
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:22:10 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

Ok Rommey's father was from Mexico the Vice President was Cuba. Still makes the point the same though. I just got the two confused.

siiiiiiiiigh, no

Rubio was born in the US. His parents were born in Cuba
The Vice presidential candidate was Paul Ryan who was born in Wisconsin.

Christ on a cracker, is everyone on the Far Right that ignorant?

_____________________________

Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 62
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:24:29 AM   
Hillwilliam


Posts: 19394
Joined: 8/27/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

Of course leave it to a liberal to twist everything around as the detail of mexico or Cuban would not change the point of his being the first Latin President , a point they did not play up . Paul Ryan's family was the one that immigrated from Cuban.

Uh, no

See the above post. As for liberal, you might want to look at my posts about how the Republican party can once again be the GRAND Old Party.

I'll clue ya in. It isn't by spoonfeeding Kool_Aid to ignorant idealogues.

_____________________________

Kinkier than a cheap garden hose.

Whoever said "Religion is the opiate of the masses" never heard Right Wing talk radio.

Don't blame me, I voted for Gary Johnson.

(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 63
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:33:16 AM   
Aswad


Posts: 9374
Joined: 4/4/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

Communism is nothing like National Socialism


Plenty of commonality between those two, really, but it's kind of a moot point, since nazism is almost nonexistent now (unless you count neonazis and the like).

quote:

Did you see the big soccer or foot ball game were pretty much the whole stadium did the National Socialist Salute?


Eastern Europe and Western Europe are about as different as Southern states and Northern states.

quote:

People are resenting the watering down of their culture, the mass immigration of people who don't embrace their culture but want the countries to cater to the immigrants culture and language not to mention the social policies.


People don't much like changes. This is nothing new. Sadly, politicians don't study CBT, so they tend to aggravate the issue by accelerating those changes, instead of giving people time to adjust to them.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


_____________________________

"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do.
" -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 64
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:38:35 AM   
Politesub53


Posts: 14862
Joined: 5/7/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

I never seen the Right in the US make an issue of race such as the left did in this last election. If so Romney would of played up being Cuban and would of been the first latin American president. Instead they kept his race out of it. the Democrats used races and division of the races and race separation playing on class war far to win an election for a guy whose administration is destroying the country economically. having tippled the national debt in 4 years. helped destroy the mortgage companies with his ACORN project. The Stock Market crashed down the day after and 27 states have petitions approved for succession not to mention the blatant redistribution of the wealth policies to destroy "class gaps" moving everyone into a governmental controlled communistic states as that is all those policies lead to. You can ask anyone who ever came from the communist country and they are scared. There is a reason Cubans vote Conservative.


You must be reading some very odd newspapers to think the right never make race an issue.

Did you not see all those "lets put the white back in the White House" tee shirts...... because it seems to me those on the right have been quick to forget they ever existed.

Edits to add.....I posted this before I saw HillWills photo of the very same tee shirt.


< Message edited by Politesub53 -- 11/19/2012 10:42:00 AM >

(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 65
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:41:53 AM   
mnottertail


Posts: 60698
Joined: 11/3/2004
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

Ok Rommey's father was from Mexico the Vice President was Cuba. Still makes the point the same though. I just got the two confused.

siiiiiiiiigh, no

Rubio was born in the US. His parents were born in Cuba
The Vice presidential candidate was Paul Ryan who was born in Wisconsin.

Christ on a cracker, is everyone on the Far Right that ignorant?


Yo, Hillie, some of those packets of smoked string cheese sticks could be easily mistaken for a cheese cigar over there in Wisconsin.

That may therefore not be your strongest rebuttal. 

_____________________________

Have they not divided the prey; to every man a damsel or two? Judges 5:30


(in reply to Hillwilliam)
Profile   Post #: 66
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:46:37 AM   
tazzygirl


Posts: 37833
Joined: 10/12/2007
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

I never seen the Right in the US make an issue of race such as the left did in this last election. If so Romney would of played up being Cuban and would of been the first latin American president. Instead they kept his race out of it. the Democrats used races and division of the races and race separation playing on class war far to win an election for a guy whose administration is destroying the country economically. having tippled the national debt in 4 years. helped destroy the mortgage companies with his ACORN project. The Stock Market crashed down the day after and 27 states have petitions approved for succession not to mention the blatant redistribution of the wealth policies to destroy "class gaps" moving everyone into a governmental controlled communistic states as that is all those policies lead to. You can ask anyone who ever came from the communist country and they are scared. There is a reason Cubans vote Conservative.


You sure you got the right election?

_____________________________

Telling me to take Midol wont help your butthurt.
RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
Duchess of Dissent 1
Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 67
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 10:57:13 AM   
kdsub


Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline
Aswad this was a 1997 poll and it is referenced in many links. HERE

We all know how unreliable polls are and how quickly views change but I made that post to show how the quote below by blnymph could be wrong.


quote:

The American right positions would not get anything close to 10 % of votes here (with some temporary exceptions ...).


Butch

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to Aswad)
Profile   Post #: 68
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 11:14:51 AM   
hpunitif


Posts: 8
Joined: 10/27/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


quote:

ORIGINAL: Phoenixpower

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
My personal feeling as an American who has lived and worked in many places in this world is that many Europeans are much more racist than the average American. I speak from first hand knowledge.


Now...I haven't been enough around in the US to "judge" it, but considering that on quite a few occations I read on these boards that racism is still quite an issue in the US...I am not so sure if this is more an issue in Europe than the US....


Well, I'm not white. And I am speaking from personal experience. As someone who is not white, I am much, much happier to be in America than I would be to be in Europe. I still think it is easier to make it in America despite one's background, than it is in Europe. Europe is still bound by racial, religious and class issues that make it very hard, if you are not already white, upper class and of the dominant religion, to be successful professionally.

I was born and raised here, and the moment I open my mouth to speak, other Americans accept me as "American". That kind of acceptance is not really what exists in Europe. Ask the Algerian-French or Turkish-Germans how accepted they feel in their societies, especially those who were born and raised there. http://www.dw.de/germans-warm-up-to-immigration-but-miss-the-point-say-experts/a-15486818

Not to mention that the rise of right-wing parties in many European countries is often tied to both anti-immigrant and simply openly racist rhetoric.

I am not claiming, btw, that racism is not an issue in the U.S. I am just pointing out that racism is alive and well in Europe, too. And given my personal experiences, I am very glad my ancestors chose to settle in America, and not Europe (and they had a choice). Others, I am sure will have other perspectives. I can only speak to what I have experienced both here and in Europe.

Hello,

I'm french, so my point of view might be biased, but I don't think we are more or less racists than americans. We just deal as we can with our own matters, which are probably different than yours. About algerians, since you talk about them you probably know that Algeria is a former french colony, and that France practiced torture other there during the independance war, it was pretty ugly and it was less than 50 years ago. Yet now french of french and algerian descent have to live together... it is not simple. It's not as if algerians were a small minority in France, they are the biggest minority.

There's also the religion matter, Europe, and especially France, is challengend by Islam. It took the french revolution and many years of terror to get rid of the religious masters, anti-religion feelings are almost written in our DNA.

I'm not trying to excuse racism, I'm just explaining. It's true that racism is growing over here. (all kind of racism, there is anti-white racism too, even though it is not as institutionalized as anti arab or anti black racism).






< Message edited by hpunitif -- 11/19/2012 11:18:20 AM >

(in reply to fucktoyprincess)
Profile   Post #: 69
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 11:16:28 AM   
hpunitif


Posts: 8
Joined: 10/27/2012
Status: offline
This video has made quite a fuss in France, nationalism is growing among young people:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKZmnJ-C5g

(in reply to hpunitif)
Profile   Post #: 70
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 11:35:15 AM   
Aswad


Posts: 9374
Joined: 4/4/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Aswad this was a 1997 poll and it is referenced in many links.


You'll note 1997 was about one generation ago, so not very comparable.

Some positions of the far right would indeed get very low support here, but she overgeneralized, that I certainly agree with you on.

Note that we humans tend to classify according to differences, and thus the US right will be primarily characterized in many Europeans' minds by the crazy shit they forward, not the stuff that's similar.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


_____________________________

"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do.
" -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 71
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 11:53:27 AM   
kdsub


Posts: 12180
Joined: 8/16/2007
Status: offline
quote:

You'll note 1997 was about one generation ago, so not very comparable


Damn that makes me feel old...

_____________________________

Mark Twain:

I don't see any use in having a uniform and arbitrary way of spelling words. We might as well make all clothes alike and cook all dishes alike. Sameness is tiresome; variety is pleasing

(in reply to Aswad)
Profile   Post #: 72
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 11:58:18 AM   
Aswad


Posts: 9374
Joined: 4/4/2007
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

Damn that makes me feel old...


Hell, it makes me feel old, too, and has for the past decade or two.

Reliving the future is an unrewarding hobby, it seems.

IWYW,
— Aswad.


_____________________________

"If God saw what any of us did that night, he didn't seem to mind.
From then on I knew: God doesn't make the world this way.
We do.
" -- Rorschack, Watchmen.


(in reply to kdsub)
Profile   Post #: 73
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 12:18:39 PM   
sforwomen


Posts: 5
Joined: 9/29/2012
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

quote:

Fürchte Dich nicht vor dem Vorwärtsgehen, fürchte Dich nur vor dem Stehen bleiben.“ Asiatische Weisheit


Its been proven that places with lax gun laws have less gun crime and crime in general.

You mean places like the USA in comparison to the UK or other European countries?

You really believe that??

Anything else you believe contrary to all available evidence??

(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 74
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 1:13:32 PM   
YN


Posts: 699
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: GoddessInanna

Of course leave it to a liberal to twist everything around as the detail of mexico or Cuban would not change the point of his being the first Latin President , a point they did not play up . Paul Ryan's family was the one that immigrated from Cuban. Notice Cuban's tend to vote Conservative. Why is that? Could it be due to the liberal progressive movement which is far too close to communist in their social policies with Progressive Movement being a communist movement in itself and the liberals using race and class war fare to push their socialist agenda, including bankrupting the country. If anyone knows little about American politics its the people on here that nit pick looking for any way to turn the subject away from the real point to discredit it, even though their argument misses the real point by a huge mark, but then if they faced the real point they don't have a leg to stand on.



More likely that many of those who fled Cuba are wealthy criollos, the Spanish feudal remnants or their retainers. These people would be "right-wing" or reactionary where ever they go, much as if the European upper class and landed aristocracy were forced by a communist revolution to flee Europe.


(in reply to GoddessInanna)
Profile   Post #: 75
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 2:24:36 PM   
Moonhead


Posts: 16520
Joined: 9/21/2009
Status: offline
"As if"?
There was a big exodus of Russian aristos into the rest of Europe following the revolution.

_____________________________

I like to think he was eaten by rats, in the dark, during a fog. It's what he would have wanted...
(Simon R Green on the late James Herbert)

(in reply to YN)
Profile   Post #: 76
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 2:24:39 PM   
fucktoyprincess


Posts: 2337
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: hpunitif
Hello,

I'm french, so my point of view might be biased, but I don't think we are more or less racists than americans. We just deal as we can with our own matters, which are probably different than yours. About algerians, since you talk about them you probably know that Algeria is a former french colony, and that France practiced torture other there during the independance war, it was pretty ugly and it was less than 50 years ago. Yet now french of french and algerian descent have to live together... it is not simple. It's not as if algerians were a small minority in France, they are the biggest minority.

There's also the religion matter, Europe, and especially France, is challengend by Islam. It took the french revolution and many years of terror to get rid of the religious masters, anti-religion feelings are almost written in our DNA.

I'm not trying to excuse racism, I'm just explaining. It's true that racism is growing over here. (all kind of racism, there is anti-white racism too, even though it is not as institutionalized as anti arab or anti black racism).




Yes, I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I know that immigrants as a group do much better in America than they do in Europe. And I find it hard to believe that racism isn't at least some piece of that.

And yes there is anti-white racism is France - the country has a long history of anti-Semitism.

And yes, I agree that racism is complicated. The racism in the U.S. is also rooted in history. But that's why it rubs me the wrong way when Europeans say that the U.S. is "racist". By what standard? Racism, in its many ugly forms, is alive and well everywhere. The important question is what, as a society, one is doing to combat it. And in the U.S., since the country began, issues of race have been on the agenda, particularly so since the Civil War, Reconstruction era and the Civil Rights movement. America has been actively engaging in the political issues surrounding race and race relations for much, much longer than most other countries. It is only relatively recently that countries like France and Germany are starting to come to grips with what it means to have a heterogeneous society.

So you will not get any argument from me that racial relations are a simple thing. Of course not. They are extremely complicated. But I think people should look more carefully at what is actually going on in the U.S. before just labeling as incurably racist. The picture here is much more varied than that. Yes, there is racism. But this is more of a meritocracy than any other place in the world. And from whatever background, one has a better chance of making it in the U.S. than anywhere else in the world. I know from personal experience.

How long do you think before France were to elect an Algerian-French president?

Because in the U.S. we have a half-black president serving his second term of office. Where else in the world would such a thing be possible. Only in America. I love my country.

< Message edited by fucktoyprincess -- 11/19/2012 2:26:59 PM >


_____________________________

~ ftp

(in reply to hpunitif)
Profile   Post #: 77
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 3:00:42 PM   
geilematz


Posts: 86
Joined: 1/1/2011
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

quote:

ORIGINAL: hpunitif
Hello,

I'm french, so my point of view might be biased, but I don't think we are more or less racists than americans. We just deal as we can with our own matters, which are probably different than yours. About algerians, since you talk about them you probably know that Algeria is a former french colony, and that France practiced torture other there during the independance war, it was pretty ugly and it was less than 50 years ago. Yet now french of french and algerian descent have to live together... it is not simple. It's not as if algerians were a small minority in France, they are the biggest minority.

There's also the religion matter, Europe, and especially France, is challengend by Islam. It took the french revolution and many years of terror to get rid of the religious masters, anti-religion feelings are almost written in our DNA.

I'm not trying to excuse racism, I'm just explaining. It's true that racism is growing over here. (all kind of racism, there is anti-white racism too, even though it is not as institutionalized as anti arab or anti black racism).




Yes, I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I know that immigrants as a group do much better in America than they do in Europe. And I find it hard to believe that racism isn't at least some piece of that.

And yes there is anti-white racism is France - the country has a long history of anti-Semitism.

And yes, I agree that racism is complicated. The racism in the U.S. is also rooted in history. But that's why it rubs me the wrong way when Europeans say that the U.S. is "racist". By what standard? Racism, in its many ugly forms, is alive and well everywhere. The important question is what, as a society, one is doing to combat it. And in the U.S., since the country began, issues of race have been on the agenda, particularly so since the Civil War, Reconstruction era and the Civil Rights movement. America has been actively engaging in the political issues surrounding race and race relations for much, much longer than most other countries. It is only relatively recently that countries like France and Germany are starting to come to grips with what it means to have a heterogeneous society.

So you will not get any argument from me that racial relations are a simple thing. Of course not. They are extremely complicated. But I think people should look more carefully at what is actually going on in the U.S. before just labeling as incurably racist. The picture here is much more varied than that. Yes, there is racism. But this is more of a meritocracy than any other place in the world. And from whatever background, one has a better chance of making it in the U.S. than anywhere else in the world. I know from personal experience.

How long do you think before France were to elect an Algerian-French president?

Because in the U.S. we have a half-black president serving his second term of office. Where else in the world would such a thing be possible. Only in America. I love my country.



Only ...

I forgot about the exact details but I think Sarkozy was Armenian by descent ... ok not (yet) Algerian ...

(in reply to fucktoyprincess)
Profile   Post #: 78
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 3:09:31 PM   
hpunitif


Posts: 8
Joined: 10/27/2012
Status: offline
quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

quote:

ORIGINAL: hpunitif
Hello,

I'm french, so my point of view might be biased, but I don't think we are more or less racists than americans. We just deal as we can with our own matters, which are probably different than yours. About algerians, since you talk about them you probably know that Algeria is a former french colony, and that France practiced torture other there during the independance war, it was pretty ugly and it was less than 50 years ago. Yet now french of french and algerian descent have to live together... it is not simple. It's not as if algerians were a small minority in France, they are the biggest minority.

There's also the religion matter, Europe, and especially France, is challengend by Islam. It took the french revolution and many years of terror to get rid of the religious masters, anti-religion feelings are almost written in our DNA.

I'm not trying to excuse racism, I'm just explaining. It's true that racism is growing over here. (all kind of racism, there is anti-white racism too, even though it is not as institutionalized as anti arab or anti black racism).




Yes, I suppose it is a matter of perspective, but I know that immigrants as a group do much better in America than they do in Europe. And I find it hard to believe that racism isn't at least some piece of that.

And yes there is anti-white racism is France - the country has a long history of anti-Semitism.

And yes, I agree that racism is complicated. The racism in the U.S. is also rooted in history. But that's why it rubs me the wrong way when Europeans say that the U.S. is "racist". By what standard? Racism, in its many ugly forms, is alive and well everywhere. The important question is what, as a society, one is doing to combat it. And in the U.S., since the country began, issues of race have been on the agenda, particularly so since the Civil War, Reconstruction era and the Civil Rights movement. America has been actively engaging in the political issues surrounding race and race relations for much, much longer than most other countries. It is only relatively recently that countries like France and Germany are starting to come to grips with what it means to have a heterogeneous society.

So you will not get any argument from me that racial relations are a simple thing. Of course not. They are extremely complicated. But I think people should look more carefully at what is actually going on in the U.S. before just labeling as incurably racist. The picture here is much more varied than that. Yes, there is racism. But this is more of a meritocracy than any other place in the world. And from whatever background, one has a better chance of making it in the U.S. than anywhere else in the world. I know from personal experience.

How long do you think before France were to elect an Algerian-French president?

Because in the U.S. we have a half-black president serving his second term of office. Where else in the world would such a thing be possible. Only in America. I love my country.

I don't think that european people consider the USA as an especialy racist country... at least that's not what I hear around me. After all you have elected a black president, not because he is black of course, but if american where so racist a black man could never have gone this far. Maybe it was the case a few years ago, but we have to deal with our own racism now. There was a golden age of multiculturalism in France in the 90s, but it's over.

It's hard to make generalisations about american people anyway, I've never been in the USA (I'd really love to), but it looks like new york and Austin are two different world for example. And as a french man, I think I have few in commun with an english or a polish.

And of course, don't forget that multiculturalism in France only exist since 40 years or so. We're not doing too bad considering the few time we had to adapt.

(By the way, when I talked about anti-white racism, I talked about agression of white people on a racial basis or degradation of churches by muslims, not about antisemitism)

< Message edited by hpunitif -- 11/19/2012 3:11:14 PM >

(in reply to fucktoyprincess)
Profile   Post #: 79
RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe - 11/19/2012 3:22:55 PM   
hpunitif


Posts: 8
Joined: 10/27/2012
Status: offline
About a french-algerian president in France... well I would vote for him if his main concern was french people. But the few algerian people who goes to politic do it to represent "their people" and defend "their religion". I don't mind, but they won't get any white vote.

We have arab ministers, but they are exceptions. Maybe you will not like what I'm going to say, but to me arab and french are two different things. Algerians are muslims, they have their culture, and it's not compatible with the french mentality. It may sound harsh but it's true, their religion is more important than the republic to them, and many of them despise french culture. Well, maybe despise is exagerated, but they don't want to be french. "Français" is considered an insult among young algerians. Black people, asian people, they are able to deal with two cultures, but the maghrebian islamic culture is just too strong and total, without concessions.


< Message edited by hpunitif -- 11/19/2012 3:25:31 PM >

(in reply to hpunitif)
Profile   Post #: 80
Page:   <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>
All Forums >> [Community Discussions] >> Dungeon of Political and Religious Discussion >> RE: The struggle between the Left and Right in Europe Page: <<   < prev  2 3 [4] 5 6   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts




Collarchat.com © 2025
Terms of Service Privacy Policy Spam Policy

0.108