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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/21/2012 10:36:43 PM   
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I was shocked when I saw my first Easter Tree.... lol....

Wait 'til you see a Christmas egg.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 3:50:42 AM   
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Maybe you should stay at home and let the majority enjoy the Christmas season. And yes, you are in the minority.


I'm a Jew. Thank you for informing me that I'm a minority. It's not like I didn't already know that my TRADITIONAL INTERPRETATION of biblical content isn't widespread.

Just remember, the Messiah HAS NOT COME. ( This is why there are so many issues with Zionism. It's not TIME for the Diaspora to end. )

If you want to celebrate some crazy shit, do it in the privacy of your own home. I don't see people throwing Ramdan in your faces. Be as considerate as your Muslim friends....

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 3:53:23 AM   
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Perhaps you ought to read the New Testament, Farglebargle? Ignore whatever is not to your appetite, and value the morsels of new wisdom you will find there.


The "New Testament" is a fucking joke. Save your bullshit for the morons who are stupid enough to believe in that horseshit about a "Loving god", "Virgin Birth", and all that crazy bullshit.



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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 5:00:49 AM   
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Christmas pudding - possibly the only food certain to survive a nuclear war without becoming too radioactive - is specially designed to increase your suffering at Christmas.

Plum pudding is a huge tradition in my dad's family, and for several years I proudly made it, using my great-grandmother's recipe. Then it occurred to me that it was quite a production--gathering hard-to-find ingredients, a month of stirring, hours of steaming--for a dessert no one actually likes.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 5:02:41 AM   
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So fargle, what is it that you DO believe in?

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 5:04:01 AM   
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This is random, but farglebargle has made me think of something that has always bugged me a bit. Yes, I guess the majority of people do celebrate Christmas. But I have plenty of friends who are Jewish who shop at grocery and department stores too.....so why is it that they don't have Haunkah (I always spell that wrong) decorations and items, etc. as well? You go shopping between October and December, and everything is red and green with Santa and presents and stockings.....would it be so hard to have maybe a Star of David, a menorah, etc. somewhere too? I guess I am a weirdo. Since we have such diversity in this country, it seems this would be a no brainer.

OK, random thought over

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 7:38:17 AM   
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This is random, but farglebargle has made me think of something that has always bugged me a bit. Yes, I guess the majority of people do celebrate Christmas. But I have plenty of friends who are Jewish who shop at grocery and department stores too.....so why is it that they don't have Haunkah (I always spell that wrong) decorations and items, etc. as well? You go shopping between October and December, and everything is red and green with Santa and presents and stockings.....would it be so hard to have maybe a Star of David, a menorah, etc. somewhere too? I guess I am a weirdo. Since we have such diversity in this country, it seems this would be a no brainer.

OK, random thought over

I noticed that the local Target has one half of an aisle of Hanakkuh stuff for sale. It was mostly cheesy decorations though. A cheap plastic menorah and similiar. No dreidels or Hanakkuh gelt.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 7:57:25 AM   
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would it be so hard to have maybe a Star of David, a menorah, etc. somewhere too?

There often is a star at the top of a Christmass tree. And rather obvious for the discerning mind (i.e. mine), there is a menorah in the Christmass parafernalia as well.


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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/22/2012 8:18:33 AM   
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Perhaps you ought to read the New Testament, Farglebargle? Ignore whatever is not to your appetite, and value the morsels of new wisdom you will find there.

The "New Testament" is a fucking joke. Save your bullshit for the morons who are stupid enough to believe in that horseshit about a "Loving god", "Virgin Birth", and all that crazy bullshit.

One gets what one gives. Quid pro quo. You are spiritually blind, aren't you?

It does not matter that the Divine by necessity is indifferent; that does not preclude that it may love the tiniest bacterium in our universe - though it is doubtful that an entity 'not-existing' 'outside' our universe knows any emotion. Nor does it matter that Jesus might not love you. What matters is that allegedly he loves everyone - yea, even grumpy disgruntled Scrooges. Scrooge's mommy may not have loved him, but - and this is the revolutionary idea - Jesus most certainly did/does.

As for a virgin birth, that most certainly is possible. Any biologist worth his salt will tell you that. And if a biologist tells you it isn't, then he isn't one of the brightest. (But I am bright: I am a supergenius.)


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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 3:52:40 AM   
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So fargle, what is it that you DO believe in?


MYSELF.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 3:54:00 AM   
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Perhaps you ought to read the New Testament, Farglebargle? Ignore whatever is not to your appetite, and value the morsels of new wisdom you will find there.

The "New Testament" is a fucking joke. Save your bullshit for the morons who are stupid enough to believe in that horseshit about a "Loving god", "Virgin Birth", and all that crazy bullshit.

One gets what one gives. Quid pro quo. You are spiritually blind, aren't you?

It does not matter that the Divine by necessity is indifferent; that does not preclude that it may love the tiniest bacterium in our universe - though it is doubtful that an entity 'not-existing' 'outside' our universe knows any emotion. Nor does it matter that Jesus might not love you. What matters is that allegedly he loves everyone - yea, even grumpy disgruntled Scrooges. Scrooge's mommy may not have loved him, but - and this is the revolutionary idea - Jesus most certainly did/does.

As for a virgin birth, that most certainly is possible. Any biologist worth his salt will tell you that. And if a biologist tells you it isn't, then he isn't one of the brightest. (But I am bright: I am a supergenius.)



I'm not spiritually blind. I believe in TRADITIONAL INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible. That means that the Messiah hasn't come, and consequently, Jesus Christ ain't the messiah.


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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 5:33:28 AM   
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Christmas is a nice time of year. A time to get together with family and friends. If you hate Christmas, mind your own business and leave the rest of us alone.  


Even though I'm agnostic, I do enjoy the spirit of Christmas. The good feelings. The family associations. Even the pretty lights and trees.

I can easily go for "the TWELVE days of Christmas" and leaving the decorations up until after New Years.

But when I am assaulted with tra-la-las, decking the halls, and Bing Crosby every time I step outside my house for two freaking months, then I AM minding my own business if I decide to bitch about it.

If you want to be "left alone", then don't be part of forcing your idea of the "holiday spirit" down my throat for two months.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 6:15:35 AM   
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You believe in yourself fargle? I'll bet you are your own attorney too


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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 7:08:26 AM   
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It's not unusual to have several birthdays of family members very close to each other.


True but it is still not the same as buying for everybody you know up to and including the guys who pick up your garbage every Friday.

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Most of us over here don't usually have dinner for more than the immediate family.


Exactly! Different cultures have different experiences... and neither should be the standard by which others are judged.

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My turkey isn't ever dry.
But to be honest, it's hardly a very tasty meat is it?
I couldn't give a flying fuck if I never tasted the bird ever again for the rest of my life.
Unless it's spiced up, it really is quite tasteless.
Turkeys don't run wild here either. They are farmed purely for xmas in large turkey farms.
So nobody over here could go bag a turkey.


I still think you're not getting good turkey... and I already knew that you have no wild turkeys (I weep for you). True, most people over here are buying factory farmed turkeys but some of us are lucky enough to hunt our own or, if the turkey should elude us (they really are very quick and smart birds) we can buy one from a small family farm.

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Actually, turkey is not that common over here.


But it is common over here... which was my point (different experiences and all that).

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 7:14:43 AM   
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Try not to read too much into what I post, because me hating Christmas is really wide of the mark. Especially as you missed the humour.


Your support of people celebrating as they will was noted and even applauded (perhaps I should have noted that). As for the humor... the thought occurred but you can never be certain when you are just reading words on a screen (no tone of voice, no body language, etc).

My underlying point is that your experience of Christmas (and turkeys!) is not that of others, especially in other lands.

I think people posting on a message board have a tendency to forget that they are talking to an international, multi-cultural audience. I make no claims of immunity to that myself. The good thing about the internet is that you can talk to people all around the world... the bad thing is that we are increasingly becoming a society in which you have a need to put disclaimers in front of everything you say.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 7:43:55 AM   
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i'm an atheist. i like december holidays because i can spend time with relatives i don't see all the time. i don't go into debt or work myself to death to buy everyone i know gifts. i love latkes and xmas turkeys and breaking the fast at ramadan with friends. i'm a foodie, and the holiday season is fun for me.


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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 7:46:57 AM   
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I'm not spiritually blind.

Of course you are.

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I believe in TRADITIONAL INTERPRETATIONS of the Bible.

Oh?

I have long pondered the difference between an animal and a cognitive being (i.e. various humans). I finally defined both concepts - thus per my definition - in this way: An animal is unable to change its instinctive and/or conditioned behavior; a cognitive being on the contrary can.

As populations evolve, their perception of reality changes. If yours hasn't, then there is something seriously amiss with the population that spawned you.

Ponder that, Mr. Tradition.

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That means that the Messiah hasn't come

Oh, but he did: a small number of centuries before the birth of Jesus.

But your Messiah won't come in a billion years, not ever. And why is that: because no one, no human being, nor the various pagan gods, including the pagan god of most of the time of the Old Testament, nor the Divine (obviously), nor the Flying Spaghetti Monster, nor the Creator himself, yea nor even a supergenius like myself, can meet the characteristics required from your Messiah.

You would be wise to read R.A. Lafferty's short story "Continued on the Next Rock" - but then, I doubt that you would understand it.

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Jesus Christ ain't the messiah.

According to your norms.

But those do not matter. According to his norms and those of his time he fullfilled all the requirements as laid down in the scripture, thereby freeing any Jew who so desired from the stupidity embodied by the concept of the not ever coming Messiah.

Some biologists once did an interesting experiment with a group of caged chimpansees.
Above the cage they installed sprinklers with (ice cold?) water. At the top of the cage they hung delicious foods (a banana), easily reached by means of a ladder. Now whenever a chimp climbed the ladder and took the food, the sprinklers automatically drenched all the chimps in the cage. They did not like that. But what caused the drenching? As it happened those apes were not dumb. They pretty soon figured that when the food got taken, they got drenched. So whenever one of them made as if to climb the ladder, all the others jumped on top of him/her to prevent him from doing so.
Then the biologists replaced one of them with a chimp who did not know about the food and the drenching. So of course he concluded that the other chimps were stupid not to take the food and that he, being a lot smarter, would profit from the situation. So he made to climb the ladder. And before he knew what hit him, he got jumped by all the other chimps. And thus it dawned on him that the ladder was not to be climbed and that the food was not to be taken.
Then the biologists replaced another chimp with one who did not know about the food and the drenching. And the history repeated itself. And again and again they replaced the chimps until none of the chimps in the cage knew about the food and the drenching. And still new chimps got jumped on when they tried to ascend the ladder.

Now please tell me what difference there is between you and those chimps.

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 7:56:16 AM   
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First off "christians" is a broad term covering a lot of ground. Many on the right I dont think have read much of,that rabble rousing commie "jesus" crap, much prefering the old testament and forgetting,that there is already a religion bases solely on the old testament, lol!

Most importantly, being generally ignorant, the tend to assume christians invented holidays because they benn round as far back as when they were like kids and shit. Holidays are as old as man, predating agriculture. They tend to coincide with seasons and the eqinoxes...it aint rocket science.

For christmas this year I am getting the young women I know RU486 abortiin pills before the christians ban em....

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 7:59:53 AM   
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I am not worthy...

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RE: I, for one, fully support a War on Christmas. - 11/23/2012 9:02:16 AM   
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I was shocked when I saw my first Easter Tree.... lol....

Wait 'til you see a Christmas egg.

K.



My mother has a few like these....



Quite disturbing... lol

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