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tazzygirl -> GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 4:15:14 PM)

..... Just exactly what is in it?




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 4:26:10 PM)

From Breitbart:

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Today, House Speaker John Boehner offered a counteroffer to the White House’s insulting fiscal cliff offer, which would have increased taxes by $1.6 trillion, raised spending, and indefinitely suspended the debt ceiling. Boehner’s offer would have included $800 billion in new tax revenue from closing loopholes and limiting deductions, and reduced the deficit by $2.2 trillion overall by implementing spending cuts and entitlement reforms.

The White House immediately rejected the offer.

Tonight, Boehner’s office fired back. Kevin Smith, spokesman for the Speaker, told Breitbart News: “Republicans have once again offered a responsible, balanced plan to avoid the fiscal cliff, and the White House has once again demonstrated how unreasonable it has become. If the President is rejecting this middle ground offer, it is now his obligation to present a plan that can pass both chambers of Congress."

No such plan is likely to be forthcoming from a president who is becoming more and more obvious about his desire to drive Americans over the fiscal cliff.


-SD-




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 4:31:14 PM)

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Boehner’s offer would have included $800 billion in new tax revenue from closing loopholes and limiting deductions, and reduced the deficit by $2.2 trillion overall by implementing spending cuts and entitlement reforms.


Which ones?




DomKen -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 4:40:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Boehner’s offer would have included $800 billion in new tax revenue from closing loopholes and limiting deductions, and reduced the deficit by $2.2 trillion overall by implementing spending cuts and entitlement reforms.


Which ones?

It was the usual Republican blowing smoke. There was nothing substantive in the proposal.

The President holds all the cards and the Republicans are having a hard time accepting the new reality.




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 4:57:10 PM)

Actually, I agree. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors on both sides though. I hate to get in the way of liberal rhetoric here, but let's face facts. Obummer doesn't have a serious proposal either.

Frankly I think the House Republicans need to just pass their proposal as a bill, and wash their hands of the entire matter until Oblamer and the Senate are willing to deal in good faith. If Republicans pass a something in The House, it becomes the Democrats problem, and they will have to deal with the Republicans as they would for any act of legislature, or take the blame for whatever happens.

-SD-




Louve00 -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 4:57:18 PM)

I heard the proposals on TV. Googling them came up with a lot of biased links. This link goes into a bit more detail and isn't quite as partisan as most you'll find on the internet.

Aside from the link, my personal feelings are one of the things Obama ran his campaign on was letting the Bush tax cuts expire for the top earners of the country. Knowing that, he had over 300 electorate votes and more than 51% of the popular vote. So people....the American people...going by the presidential vote, knew this. 'Becoming more and more obvious about his desire to drive Americans over the fiscal cliff is not all Americans. And thinking logically...is it really going to put that 1-2% over a "fiscal cliff"? [&:]

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tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 5:24:16 PM)

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Actually, I agree. The whole thing is smoke and mirrors on both sides though. I hate to get in the way of liberal rhetoric here, but let's face facts. Obummer doesn't have a serious proposal either.


TAXES

Obama: Increase taxes by $1.6 trillion over 10 years, raised by permitting tax rates on individual income exceeding $200,000 and family income over $250,000 to return to Clinton-era levels of 36 and 39.6 percent, up from 33 and 35 percent now. Increase taxes on dividend income and reduce the value of deductions and exemptions for those earning above $200,000 and 250,000. Renew the 2 percentage point payroll tax holiday or a similar tax cut for workers. Return taxes on large estates to 2009 levels. Permits tax reform to replace the existing code so long as it maintains the $1.6 trillion tax hike.

House GOP: Increase taxes by $800 billion over 10 years, raised through a comprehensive overhaul of the tax code that would curb various unspecified tax breaks while lowering tax rates overall. Extend all expiring Bush-era tax cuts on income, investments, married couples and families with children. Maintains the estate tax at current, more generous levels exempting estates up to $5.1 million from tax and sets a top rate of 35 percent. Permits payroll tax cut to expire.


HEALTH CARE

Obama: Cut $350 billion over 10 years from federal health care programs Medicare and Medicaid, including lower Medicare drug costs and other cost curbs on health care providers.

House GOP: Cut $600 billion over 10 years. Includes unspecified cuts to health care providers and assumes an increase in the eligibility age for Medicare and increased Medicare costs for higher-income beneficiaries.


OTHER SPENDING CUTS

Obama: Cut the deficit by $250 billion through other spending cuts and new fees. Options include requiring federal workers to contribute more to their retirement, cut farm subsidies, increase airline security fees, overhaul Postal Service operations, and increasing fees on some enrollees in the military's Tricare health care plan. Leaves in place existing "caps" on agency budgets passed by Congress each year.

House GOP: Deficit cuts of $300 billion through such cuts and fees from miscellaneous programs. Cut another $300 billion over the decade from agency operating budgets.


GOVERNMENT INFLATION MEASURE:

Obama: No proposal.

House GOP: Reduce deficits by $200 billion over 10 years by replacing the current inflation adjustment for Social Security and income tax brackets with a less generous "chained CPI" that, on average, is 0.3 percentage points less than the current measure. Doing so would reduce Social Security cost-of-living increases and cause a greater portion of taxpayer income to be taxed at higher rates.


NEW SPENDING

Obama: $200 billion in new economic "stimulus" initiatives, including payroll tax cuts, continued write-offs of business equipment purchases, extended unemployment benefits, help for borrowers "under water" on their mortgages, and new spending on infrastructure.

House GOP: No proposal.


DEBT LIMIT

Obama: Permit the president to obtain increases in the government's borrowing cap, currently set at $16.4 trillion, without approval by Congress.

House GOP: Retain longstanding requirement that debt limit increases be enacted by Congress.



Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/Highlights-of-White-House-GOP-budget-plans-4090375.php#ixzz2E8VgyzbG

Does that help you, Dave?




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 5:33:35 PM)

Like I said, neither side has a serious proposal.

-SD-




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 5:35:37 PM)

Ah, you mean serious as in for you.

I am asking, what exactly is the GOP cutting. I see specific examples for Obama.




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 5:44:21 PM)

Do you really think that cutting a couple of hundred billion from spending in the next 10 years is a serious proposal when we are trillions in debt right now?

Really?

Obummers "plan" may be a little more specific, but it certainly isn't the result of intelligent thought. This notion that Congress should allow ANY president to have the ability to increase the nations debt at will is just plain stupidity. It actually goes beyond ignorance to allow any single person those sorts of powers.

-SD-




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 5:58:50 PM)

Did I say I did?

I asked exactly what was in the GOP plan.

You gave me talking points that were useless from a useless source.

I asked for examples of those cuts.

You come back to bitch about it not being enough.

You have no clue what they are proposing to cut.

Neither does anyone else.

And yet you felt justified to post the following tripe...

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Frankly I think the House Republicans need to just pass their proposal as a bill, and wash their hands of the entire matter until Oblamer and the Senate are willing to deal in good faith. If Republicans pass a something in The House, it becomes the Democrats problem, and they will have to deal with the Republicans as they would for any act of legislature, or take the blame for whatever happens.


Way to go. Pass something... anything.. as long as you dont know what it is they are passing. Real smart move there.




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:10:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Way to go. Pass something... anything.. as long as you dont know what it is they are passing. Real smart move there.


I don't know what you're bitching about. That's EXACTLY how we got stuck with Obamacare. I haven't noticed any complaints from you about that little bit of legislation.

-SD-




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:12:27 PM)

Blind much? I find it a disappointment. But, as I have often said.. its better than the mess we had.




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:15:45 PM)

Well, I'm sure I would be disappointed by anything Boehner gets through, but it will certainly be better than anything the mess we have in the White House is likely to come up with.

-SD-




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:19:41 PM)

Hardly the same thing. And you have yet to tell me what Boehner has in mind.




slvemike4u -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:31:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Boehner’s offer would have included $800 billion in new tax revenue from closing loopholes and limiting deductions, and reduced the deficit by $2.2 trillion overall by implementing spending cuts and entitlement reforms.


Which ones?

It was the usual Republican blowing smoke. There was nothing substantive in the proposal.

The President holds all the cards and the Republicans are having a hard time accepting the new reality.

This




slvemike4u -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:36:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hardly the same thing. And you have yet to tell me what Boehner has in mind.

You do understand You are wasting your time....the tip off is the adult way he has of referring to our President.
Seriously Tazzy,do you really think you can have a rational conversation with someone who behaves in such childish bullshit ?
You are way smarter than that [:)]




SadistDave -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 6:46:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hardly the same thing. And you have yet to tell me what Boehner has in mind.

You do understand You are wasting your time....the tip off is the adult way he has of referring to our President.
Seriously Tazzy,do you really think you can have a rational conversation with someone who behaves in such childish bullshit ?
You are way smarter than that [:)]


Speaking of childish bullshit:

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Let's be honest about this...I use the term "tea bagger" with the exact same intent that many on here use the term "leftist"
When that changes.....I will change.


Your opinions of what is and is not childish bullshit are irrelevant...

-SD-




tazzygirl -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 7:07:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: slvemike4u


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Hardly the same thing. And you have yet to tell me what Boehner has in mind.

You do understand You are wasting your time....the tip off is the adult way he has of referring to our President.
Seriously Tazzy,do you really think you can have a rational conversation with someone who behaves in such childish bullshit ?
You are way smarter than that [:)]


Mike.. I am forever hopeful [;)]




thishereboi -> RE: GOP budget proposal.... (12/4/2012 7:20:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Did I say I did?

I asked exactly what was in the GOP plan.

You gave me talking points that were useless from a useless source.

I asked for examples of those cuts.

You come back to bitch about it not being enough.

You have no clue what they are proposing to cut.

Neither does anyone else.

And yet you felt justified to post the following tripe...

quote:

Frankly I think the House Republicans need to just pass their proposal as a bill, and wash their hands of the entire matter until Oblamer and the Senate are willing to deal in good faith. If Republicans pass a something in The House, it becomes the Democrats problem, and they will have to deal with the Republicans as they would for any act of legislature, or take the blame for whatever happens.


Way to go. Pass something... anything.. as long as you dont know what it is they are passing. Real smart move there.


You expect intelligent replies from someone who can't spell our presidents name? Good luck with that one.

And on topic....no clue what their plan is but I know the democrats won't like it no matter what it is, just like the republicans won't like the democrats plan.




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