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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 1:49:06 AM

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Yeah, pick a f'ckin profile and stick to it.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 2:34:33 AM

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wasnt really moved, but thats quite unfortunate for his family and her. 10 years max? id kill em myself.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 7:59:20 AM

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If that were me, and my dad did that, I would be furious.

No, you wouldn't.

You would be without that capacity due to the brain damage.

Barring an unexpected miracle, she is a slab of meat now, no more, no less, as a consequence of someone else's drunk driving.

Unless policy has changed since a girl I liked suffered the exact same fate, he will be asked to sign her up for organ donation in order for the hospital to continue providing life support despite his inability to pay. The point of organ donation being, of course, to attempt to save other lives using meat that doesn't have a person in it anymore.

That's what this guy is doing: he's using the body that once housed his daughter to attempt to save lives.

And it's a pretty hard thing to do.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 8:33:00 AM

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Thank you Aswad. My husband died from a drunk driver.

Yes, I'm biased but I have no problem with the message being "manipulative" if it gets people to think twice. I have no problem with teens over the age of 15 working in an ER for a night. Scare the hell out of them so they will never ever drink and drive.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 12:57:23 PM

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Thank you Aswad. My husband died from a drunk driver.

My condolences.

I also lost someone, to a drunk driver rear-ending her.

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Yes, I'm biased but I have no problem with the message being "manipulative" if it gets people to think twice.

All messages are manipulative in one way or another.

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I have no problem with teens over the age of 15 working in an ER for a night. Scare the hell out of them so they will never ever drink and drive.

That, on the other hand, I would have a problem with.

In fact, at 15, if subjected to such a measure, I would almost certainly have driven drunk at least once. I can't think of anything else that might make me do so at that age, short of a death threat or the like. As an adult, I would instead probably respond in a sober state, far more harshly and directly, at those that voted in favor. I'm thinking it's a damn good thing they're not doing this, but, hey, people blindly cause damage to ineffectually stab at problems all the time.

See, the clip I linked, gets the point across in a manner that connects all the dots, without traumatizing the viewer.

An average teen without adequate preparation stuck in an ER for a night is just plain abusive.

I think I would rather legalize drunk driving than that particular measure.

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P.S.: I'm deeply disturbed that a mother would argue that "scaring the hell out of them" to such an extent is in any way a responsible, reasonable, desireable, legitimate or effective tactic to use with children at all, let alone suggest its use on a population level. You should look into the literature on what such parenting does to children, and why it is a bad idea for society to use such measures. Teenagers are more resillient, but it's still a pretty damn bad idea.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 1:25:57 PM

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I dont think the ER is the best place. But definitely a tour of the morgue, the units that house those victims, such as the girl in the video, and a ride to a cemetery wouldnt be a bad idea.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 2:00:32 PM

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When I was growing up, if you got into major trouble in school....drinking, smoking, smoking a joint, etc...during school hours, the parents could either opt for them to be suspended from school and having to repeat a year or go to an ER and help with things like retrieving stuff, helping patients into the ER if they were able to walk, or visit the morgue for a day or you could spend a day in jail and no, not juvie....an actual jail cell. Of course the cell did not hold violent criminals but lots of times I remember it was usually one of the regular ole town drunks who were harmless.

Now that was a different time. Schools are no longer allowed to do things like that which is just a shame imo. I think we coddle our children too much. Sometimes they need to see the real world. 15 is an appropriate age imo because at 16 they are going to be driving and I've already seen way too many kids get in their cars and think nothing will ever happen to them because hey we're invincible!

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 2:57:33 PM

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I dont think the ER is the best place. But definitely a tour of the morgue, the units that house those victims, such as the girl in the video, and a ride to a cemetery wouldnt be a bad idea.

Not a bad idea at all, if you want to feel like you're doing something.

But if you want to improve things, then yes, it's a bad idea.

Just curious for a follow-up thought: have you ever driven a motor vehicle of any sort with a non-zero BAC?

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 3:12:48 PM

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Now that was a different time.

Yes; for one thing, the traffic accident statistics were substantially worse, indicating it probably wasn't a better time in that regard.

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Schools are no longer allowed to do things like that which is just a shame imo.

The world improves, fortunately; even the US can't resist improvement on all fronts.

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I think we coddle our children too much.

This thought is not surprising.

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Sometimes they need to see the real world.

Then let's have them go to Mexico, pay the narcos to let the kids watch while they skin, torch and kill someone, in that order. They need some real world, after all. So long as they don't see any tits, or hear any swear words, they'll turn out just wonderfully. Absolutely great idea. Or maybe they need to understand the real world instead... novel idea, I know, but it seems to work.

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15 is an appropriate age imo because at 16 they are going to be driving and I've already seen way too many kids get in their cars and think nothing will ever happen to them because hey we're invincible!

Okay, so laying this on kids that may not even plan on driving seems like a great solution to you, without proven efficacy, with proven harm.

I don't think the mods want me to voice the rest my opinion on what you're saying.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 3:14:44 PM

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I think anyone convicted of a DUI offense should -

A) Should be forced to dig the graves of their victims - on their own and without payment.
B) Immediately have their vehicle seized and crushed - and pay for it to be crushed.
C) Should go into a rehab centre for at least a month to 'dry out'.
D) Have a tour or two of the morgue.
E) Have their licence taken away for a minimum of 10 years on first offense, permanently if a repeat.
F) Be forced to repay the court/trial expenses AND the funeral costs of their victims.
G) Then apply the usual fines and endorsements.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 3:33:48 PM

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I'm sorry but this is one issue which I feel is filed under 'fake platitudes of concern and sincerity'.

I have a very simple solution..

Any instance of a DUI - no more driving.. Period. Not next week, next month, in 10 years time. Never ever again.

If your DUI causes injury to another person - life imprisonment. If they die or are killed as a result - still life imprisonment but minus the parole. You come out of prison in a coffin.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 4:13:06 PM

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I agree stella, but many will say that's much too harsh for what they call 'a mistake'.

Personally, if you have a drink and make a conscious decision to get behind the wheel of a car, you are a muderer waiting for an unfortunate victim.
That should mean life - even the death sentence - if you kill someone with your weapon of choice.
It's never 'an accident' or 'a mistake' - it was a premeditated act. Pure and simple.

But the do-gooders want us to believe it was an accident.

PFFFFTT!!

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 4:21:00 PM

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I agree stella, but many will say that's much too harsh for what they call 'a mistake'.

Look, it doesn't come down to harshness, it comes down to shit actually working.

This thread indicates the likelihood of that happening is as low as ever; allzumenschliches...

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 4:37:21 PM

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Harsh treatment ain't gonna happen is it Aswad?

Look at the Arabian states like UAE.
You don't see a lot of theft do you?
That's because they chop your hands off if you are caught stealing - and you don't see too many one-handed people wandering the streets.

Our society in general is far too soft on criminals IMHO.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 5:25:43 PM

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Countries with higher crime rates than Norway, Sweden and Denmark include the UAE, Saudi Arabia, China, Canada, Australia, the USA and the UK. Also, of course, the recidivism rates are substantially different. For instance, Norway averages half the recidivism of the best prisons in the USA on this point, which means it averages less than a sixth the average recidivism rate in the USA. Denmark does even better.

What all the countries in the latter group have in common is that they are harsher on criminals than the countries in the former group.

Believe what you wish, of course, but I prefer to stick with stuff that's documented to work, rather than stuff that "should" work in someone's head.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 6:22:04 PM

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I don't really need a video to prove this kind of point for me. My work is directly related to what happens when someone gets in a car and drives drunk, stoned, or dosed up with meds. It's absolutely ridiculous the amount of people that pop a sleeping pill, down 8 beers in a hour, or smoke weed and hop in the car. I don't care what you do in your spare time. If you want to do that fine whatever it's your life, but STAY AT HOME. Don't hop in the car and put mine or any one else's life at risk.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 7:17:42 PM

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quote:

But if you want to improve things, then yes, it's a bad idea.

Explain how thats bad.

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Just curious for a follow-up thought: have you ever driven a motor vehicle of any sort with a non-zero BAC?

Yes, I have, and woke up the next morning shaking until I looked at my car wondering just how the hell I got home.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 7:35:42 PM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Explain how thats bad.

Let me give it a shot tomorrow, and I'll feed it to my guinea pig first, see if I'm making sense.

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Yes, I have, and woke up the next morning shaking until I looked at my car wondering just how the hell I got home.

I meant non-zero, not blackout, but fair enough.

Think showing the kids how messed up their driving gets (i.e. drunk driving with a copilot on a closed course) might give them some impression?

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 7:43:55 PM

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Oh definitely. However, I do think they also need to see the effects their actions may have on others.... face to face, not just on a video screen.

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RE: Drunk driving viral vid - 12/8/2012 8:38:42 PM

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Strike my last.

On account of having had my fill of thread pulls for this year, I'm cutting back to an investment I can justify.

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