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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 7:17:41 PM   
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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 7:27:42 PM   
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I don't sleep well, so I keep the TV on (which likely exacerbates the sleeping issue LOL) but....anywhoooooo, I saw a cable show once in the middle of the night about this shit...it said of 100 people that try this drug once......3 get off of it....the rest never do.

Don't know if that's a legit number but das what dey sayud.



I have no idea what that infomercial might have been selling, Lookie, but it's a bullshit number. Here's a decent piece on the subject.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3076519/ns/us_news-only/t/beating-addiction-meth/

I know people who went down that road. Some are fine and dandy today, some ain't never coming back. Chances are extremely good that some produce you've had in the house in the last few weeks got to the store courtesy of a trucker who needed a little, "go," to make his appointment at the dock door.

You'll note from the article that the method of use makes a tremendous difference in how the user is affected, both short term, and long term.


It's rare that any driver uses drugs or alcohol. It was prevalent back in the day. But most companies have 3 drug test they give. Pre-employment, random and if they suspect you. By law they are mandated.

This ain't the old days where they expect you to go from Atlanta to Los Angeles in two days.


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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 7:43:05 PM   
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And the DOT can even redlight a driver at the scales, and invite them into the chicken coop for a whiz quiz. I understand there is a product out now, that when crumbled into a powder and added to a urine sample, dissolves instantly, and beats any of the inexpensive testing methods used.

Have a peek at the lot lizards, next time you are around a big truckstop. See anything that looks like the "before," pictures?

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 8:06:06 PM   
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And the DOT can even redlight a driver at the scales, and invite them into the chicken coop for a whiz quiz. I understand there is a product out now, that when crumbled into a powder and added to a urine sample, dissolves instantly, and beats any of the inexpensive testing methods used.

Have a peek at the lot lizards, next time you are around a big truckstop. See anything that looks like the "before," pictures?


Dot doesn't do piss test. I know in the past they have tried. The courts put a halt to that. For one they were not qualified to do it. Another reason? Well in the past some state troopers and dot would carry around a wrench that suspiciously fit your slack adjusters. A lot of states banned them from carrying any tools when doing inspections.

I have seen some of the after pictures. Usually you just see them drunk. Although I have seen some lizard faced ones. You swear a forked tongue is going to dart out. Some of those pictures are just terrifying.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 9:32:45 PM   
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So please tell us which agency is coordinating driver's random tests being administered in scale houses, Blacksword.



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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 9:33:21 PM   
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I grew up around truckers. I have 3 truckers in my family. Believe me, drugs are still prevalent. Many truck drivers don't work for any one company. They're independents but they still have schedules to keep and sometimes the only way they can do that without fudging their logs is to do uppers and downers. And yeah, ever see one at a truck stop who doesn't look like he's either been awake for his/her entire life or hitting some hard stuff? It's rare. I will tell you that.

Plus most truckers who do work for companies always know when the piss tests are coming up. Word gets round very easily and very fast. Any that I know, know the tricks of the trade.

So yeah, the photos didn't surprise me. Unfortunately I know a lot that look just like those after pictures and who have died looking like a zombie like in the movies.



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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 10:24:42 PM   
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So please tell us which agency is coordinating driver's random tests being administered in scale houses, Blacksword.




Scalhouses do not handle drug test. If one is needed you are sent to a qualified clinic or hospital. You piss in a sterile environment. Not in a scale that's been there for the past 30 years. They have clinics all over the country that are capable. The Fmcsa sets the rules for that and the company is responsible for making sure the regulation is complied with.

§ 40.33 What training requirements must a collector meet

To be permitted to act as a collector in the DOT drug testing program, you must meet each of the requirements of this section:

(a) Basic information. You must be knowledgeable about this part, the current “DOT Urine Specimen Collection Procedures Guidelines,” and DOT agency regulations applicable to the employers for whom you perform collections, and you must keep current on any changes to these materials. The DOT Urine Specimen Collection Procedures Guidelines document is available from ODAPC (Department of Transportation, 1200 New Jersey Avenue, SE, Washington DC, 20590, 202–366–3784, or on the ODAPC web site (http://www.dot.gov/ost/dapc).

(b) Qualification training. You must receive qualification training meeting the requirements of this paragraph. Qualification training must provide instruction on the following subjects:

(1) All steps necessary to complete a collection correctly and the proper completion and transmission of the CCF;

(2) “Problem” collections (e.g., situations like “shy bladder” and attempts to tamper with a specimen);

(3) Fatal flaws, correctable flaws, and how to correct problems in collections; and

(4) The collector's responsibility for maintaining the integrity of the collection process, ensuring the privacy of employees being tested, ensuring the security of the specimen, and avoiding conduct or statements that could be viewed as offensive or inappropriate;

(c) Initial Proficiency Demonstration. Following your completion of qualification training under paragraph (b) of this section, you must demonstrate proficiency in collections under this part by completing five consecutive error-free mock collections.

(1) The five mock collections must include two uneventful collection scenarios, one insufficient quantity of urine scenario, one temperature out of range scenario, and one scenario in which the employee refuses to sign the CCF and initial the specimen bottle tamper-evident seal.

(2) Another person must monitor and evaluate your performance, in person or by a means that provides real-time observation and interaction between the instructor and trainee, and attest in writing that the mock collections are “error-free.” This person must be a qualified collector who has demonstrated necessary knowledge, skills, and abilities by—

i) Regularly conducting DOT drug test collections for a period of at least a year;

(ii) Conducting collector training under this part for a year; or

(iii) Successfully completing a “train the trainer” course.

(d) Schedule for qualification training and initial proficiency demonstration. The following is the schedule for qualification training and the initial proficiency demonstration you must meet:

(1) If you became a collector before August 1, 2001, and you have already met the requirements of paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, you do not have to meet them again.

(2) If you became a collector before August 1, 2001, and have yet to meet the requirements of paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, you must do so no later than January 31, 2003.

(3) If you become a collector on or after August 1, 2001, you must meet the requirements of paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section before you begin to perform collector functions.

(e) Refresher training. No less frequently than every five years from the date on which you satisfactorily complete the requirements of paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section, you must complete refresher training that meets all the requirements of paragraphs (b) and (c) of this section.

(f) Error Correction Training. If you make a mistake in the collection process that causes a test to be cancelled (i.e., a fatal or uncorrected flaw), you must undergo error correction training. This training must occur within 30 days of the date you are notified of the error that led to the need for retraining.

(1) Error correction training must be provided and your proficiency documented in writing by a person who meets the requirements of paragraph (c)(2) of this section.

(2) Error correction training is required to cover only the subject matter area(s) in which the error that caused the test to be cancelled occurred.

(3) As part of the error correction training, you must demonstrate your proficiency in the collection procedures of this part by completing three consecutive error-free mock collections. The mock collections must include one uneventful scenario and two scenarios related to the area(s) in which your
error(s) occurred. The person providing the training must monitor and evaluate your performance and attest in writing that the mock collections were “error-free.”

(g) Documentation. You must maintain documentation showing that you currently meet all requirements of this section. You must provide this documentation on request to DOT agency representatives and to employers and C/TPAs who are using or negotiating to use your services.
http://www.dot.gov/odapc/part40/40_33

Here's a story about troopers trying to take drivers blood.
http://m.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=22461

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 10:28:22 PM   
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I grew up around truckers. I have 3 truckers in my family. Believe me, drugs are still prevalent. Many truck drivers don't work for any one company. They're independents but they still have schedules to keep and sometimes the only way they can do that without fudging their logs is to do uppers and downers. And yeah, ever see one at a truck stop who doesn't look like he's either been awake for his/her entire life or hitting some hard stuff? It's rare. I will tell you that.

Plus most truckers who do work for companies always know when the piss tests are coming up. Word gets round very easily and very fast. Any that I know, know the tricks of the trade.

So yeah, the photos didn't surprise me. Unfortunately I know a lot that look just like those after pictures and who have died looking like a zombie like in the movies.




The independent ones run everything themselves and are typically one truck operations. So the random requirement doesn't apply to them. You have to be over a certain amount of trucks for that regulation to apply.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 11:16:33 PM   
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Here's another perspective on the meth culture, Lookie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMhrGf2ylw

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 11:22:57 PM   
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That's fucking daffy.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 11:35:56 PM   
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That's kinda funny, Blacksword, considering that the guy who showed me the good way to stick a back door on bay door lost his license when they handed him a cup at a scale in Texas, and a guy in latex gloves stuck a dipstick in it. 2nd pop, and the company he was running for told them which driver to random, and what road he was on.

Now, I always knew at least 24 hours in advance when a random test was coming, and for the Class A physical, I made the appointment.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 11:51:08 PM   
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That's kinda funny, Blacksword, considering that the guy who showed me the good way to stick a back door on bay door lost his license when they handed him a cup at a scale in Texas, and a guy in latex gloves stuck a dipstick in it. 2nd pop, and the company he was running for told them which driver to random, and what road he was on.

Now, I always knew at least 24 hours in advance when a random test was coming, and for the Class A physical, I made the appointment.


States barely have the money to train the police departments for their regular jobs. Let alone all the training for drug test and the keeping of paperwork for it. Dot drug test are not the same as normal drug test.

Your story might be correct. It would not be hard for them to call someone from a local clinic to come administer it. You can be drug tested if there is a reasonable suspicion. But like I said, the company facilitates it.

Them telling you about an upcoming random is a big no no. I got a call about two months ago. The lady asked me what I was doing. I said nothing. So she found a clinic about 5 miles away for me to do a test. I've heard of them calling people who are on vacation for a random. They found him the nearest clinic that qualified. If he would have said he was busy drinking or just busy on his vacation they would have just skipped him.

The system isn't perfect and never will be. The harder drugs leave your system too quickly to be detected.


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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/10/2012 11:52:28 PM   
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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 3:28:13 AM   
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There is ugly and there is ugly. Meth ugly is uglier than the original ugly. You're looking at a living corpse.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 3:36:54 PM   
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I don't sleep well, so I keep the TV on (which likely exacerbates the sleeping issue LOL) but....anywhoooooo, I saw a cable show once in the middle of the night about this shit...it said of 100 people that try this drug once......3 get off of it....the rest never do.

Don't know if that's a legit number but das what dey sayud.



I have no idea what that infomercial might have been selling, Lookie, but it's a bullshit number. Here's a decent piece on the subject.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3076519/ns/us_news-only/t/beating-addiction-meth/

I know people who went down that road. Some are fine and dandy today, some ain't never coming back. Chances are extremely good that some produce you've had in the house in the last few weeks got to the store courtesy of a trucker who needed a little, "go," to make his appointment at the dock door.

You'll note from the article that the method of use makes a tremendous difference in how the user is affected, both short term, and long term.


"“We have data from treating several thousand patients [with the Matrix model],” Rawson said. “Treatment of meth addiction appears approximately equal to cocaine treatment. Treatment is about 50 percent to 60 percent drug-free at the end of one year.” That’s superior to recovery after behavioral therapy for heroin addiction (without the use of methadone), but not as good as recovery from alcoholism, according to Rawson. No nationwide statistics on the overall effectiveness of treatment for meth addiction exist, but as the Matrix model is a particularly vigorous, well-studied approach, it’s likely this success rate is higher than average, Rawson noted."

That's still a hell of a lot better than what I recall....but JEBUS....that is STILL some nasty shit!

Looks like though, if you do this (enough to make a real dent in your life), you're coming away with some permanent mental damage.

Damn....what a fucked up gig.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 3:39:35 PM   
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Here's another perspective on the meth culture, Lookie.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWMhrGf2ylw


hahahahahahahahaha

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 3:43:39 PM   
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That's kinda funny, Blacksword, considering that the guy who showed me the good way to stick a back door on bay door lost his license when they handed him a cup at a scale in Texas, and a guy in latex gloves stuck a dipstick in it. 2nd pop, and the company he was running for told them which driver to random, and what road he was on.

Now, I always knew at least 24 hours in advance when a random test was coming, and for the Class A physical, I made the appointment.


You said "Bay"....coulda been someone from San Francisco.....(they like to watch those pee tests :) )

Seems like cops should be able to do something like what you suggest Heretic (ESPECIALLY for something this bad), but you gotta admit....guy from 3 states away....traffic court....proof....and they got enough going on already....the rules of evidence and all that....I bet even if it is required....I bet state troopers and others back away from that solely because it's a no win game.

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 3:44:43 PM   
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That's kinda funny, Blacksword, considering that the guy who showed me the good way to stick a back door on bay door lost his license when they handed him a cup at a scale in Texas, and a guy in latex gloves stuck a dipstick in it. 2nd pop, and the company he was running for told them which driver to random, and what road he was on.

Now, I always knew at least 24 hours in advance when a random test was coming, and for the Class A physical, I made the appointment.


States barely have the money to train the police departments for their regular jobs. Let alone all the training for drug test and the keeping of paperwork for it. Dot drug test are not the same as normal drug test.

Your story might be correct. It would not be hard for them to call someone from a local clinic to come administer it. You can be drug tested if there is a reasonable suspicion. But like I said, the company facilitates it.

Them telling you about an upcoming random is a big no no. I got a call about two months ago. The lady asked me what I was doing. I said nothing. So she found a clinic about 5 miles away for me to do a test. I've heard of them calling people who are on vacation for a random. They found him the nearest clinic that qualified. If he would have said he was busy drinking or just busy on his vacation they would have just skipped him.

The system isn't perfect and never will be. The harder drugs leave your system too quickly to be detected.



Does meth leave your system quickly?

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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 5:48:50 PM   
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That's kinda funny, Blacksword, considering that the guy who showed me the good way to stick a back door on bay door lost his license when they handed him a cup at a scale in Texas, and a guy in latex gloves stuck a dipstick in it. 2nd pop, and the company he was running for told them which driver to random, and what road he was on.

Now, I always knew at least 24 hours in advance when a random test was coming, and for the Class A physical, I made the appointment.


States barely have the money to train the police departments for their regular jobs. Let alone all the training for drug test and the keeping of paperwork for it. Dot drug test are not the same as normal drug test.

Your story might be correct. It would not be hard for them to call someone from a local clinic to come administer it. You can be drug tested if there is a reasonable suspicion. But like I said, the company facilitates it.

Them telling you about an upcoming random is a big no no. I got a call about two months ago. The lady asked me what I was doing. I said nothing. So she found a clinic about 5 miles away for me to do a test. I've heard of them calling people who are on vacation for a random. They found him the nearest clinic that qualified. If he would have said he was busy drinking or just busy on his vacation they would have just skipped him.

The system isn't perfect and never will be. The harder drugs leave your system too quickly to be detected.



Does meth leave your system quickly?


According to the chart 1-4 days.
http://www.passyourdrugtest.com/timetable.htm

Most companies opt to bring you to one of their terminals and they send you to a clinic from there. It's cheaper and easier for them. Most people know if they start routing you to a terminal and they won't say why, your up for a random. One year I got tested 3 times.


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RE: Well, this oughta stop anyone with a brain from doi... - 12/11/2012 6:08:04 PM   
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I hate to say it but.. a few of the pics look like "morgue" shots.. maybe they got to rehab a little too late..

the 30 yr old puffy white faced girl.. that one is soooo.. ewwww


The footnotes say mugshots...

Some of those pictures look like Hollywood makeup for a zombie movie...

I read a good book on a father's struggle to help his son with his meth addiction: Beautiful Boy

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