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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 10:14:32 AM

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I think that if the intention was that All slaves must follow these rules, that is silly. No one can decide that these are the rules, regulations and particular kinks that every person should follow. There should be alternatives in an "alternative lifestyle" for goodnesss sake! However, they appear to be written as one slave's contract with her Master. Really whatever was important to their agreement and lifestyle, that's fine for them. There are things in there that I don't want as part of my life, but my Master wouldn't want them either. I don't need to judge their rules and no one needs to judge ours.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 10:19:26 AM

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Where might one find these 128 ominous restrictions? I don't like the sound of it even before reading. Nothing is written in stone for any two people, its all up to them to live life as they please.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 10:25:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos

Ultimately this text can be truncated into the following: I exist to love and obey my Master.

I would have to agree, beautifully put.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 10:28:33 AM

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quote:

Chuckles, who would want to be the dominant having to remember all the rules?

I might be able to remember the first 5 if I studied long enough :)

Solitaire,

Nice profile!

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 11:08:48 AM

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I admit I got bored and stopped at rule 3. When I have a slave, the only rules they need to know and understand are mine. I might have over 128 of them...but I haven't thought to write them all down and memorize them. I figure that's what training and living life are for.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 12:16:50 PM

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and how does this person keep a slave? (my first thought)

edited to add:

Alright to be fair I went back and re read the ENTIRE thing AGAIN..( I havent viewed this in years) Out of 128 rules (once I got past the 2million3634 rules on how to view the rules) I came accross 20 that are fairly decent almost universal rules Most of which have to do with trust and accepting dominance.

Some of the other rules are just so far out of My kink range I cannot wrap My brain around it but accept those that do.

I reflected mostly tho on how I once trusted My former Master so completely He could have had me do all of this and more and I became sad when I realized how that trust is long gone....It further made Me realize I never want to lose that with My subs and that more than the slave rules the rule of dominance needs to be remembered FIRST. For without the dominant remembering to put the slaves EMOTIONAL as well as physical well being first in Their mind...why should any slave bother to serve you?

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 1:08:23 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: xsolitairex

I've never understood Gor fully. Yet, I'm not about to sit here and make fun of what they believe in. SOME of the rules here are...different but not too far fetched in my mind because they give you the less "romantic" view some seem to have in reference to slavery. I am very much a realist and can not base my day to day life on fiction. That is what I don't understand. How can you do that?

I do not feel there is anything wrong with a list of rules for a group. You read the rules, learn their ways, and if you want to join or be apart of it, you follow them. If what you uncover does not appeal to you, you do not follow and find something that does.

Solitaire

In case this is an actual reply to what I wrote and not to the OP just after you read my post, I am replying to you, xsolitairex.

If the post I quote above wasn't really a response to me, then ignore the below if you like (as if I could make anyone read what I read).

I think lists like the one in the OP is FICTION.

Goddess knows that I am a huge fan of fiction but that isn't real life or meatlife. The OP asked for commentary on them, I did.

Meatlife Ds and Ms does not function on a list of rules, especially not ones as long as this.

Meatlife Ds and Ms develop from the rules the dominant desires, the training the dominant and submissive are willing to do, tempered by their unique relationship, and hammered at by mundane realities.

A list may sound lovely and fulfill a fantasy, it may even provide you with things to consider, but I do not believe copying someone else's rules/protocols/positions/whatever will be a successful way to live for very long.

As the D or M you must have your rules, protocols, ideals inside of you where can know them, train them, and enforce them without fail. Anything less is not being consistant and I think consistancy helps build trust and stability.

Telling someone "follow these rules to be a good slave" isn't a strong foundation. Training someone, living with them, doing Ds, that is building a foundation that may last for years or a lifetime. Any one thinking that memorizing lists of rules will make him a good slave is very likely to fail because it isn't so much words as it is attitude and actions that make a good slave (or a good owner).

Or to put it another way, the words on the page are meaningless until both D/M and s can live them and feel them and know them at their deepest levels.

As for group rules, which the OP list is not, of course if you do not like a group's rule, don't go to that group. If you are all ready a member of a group which wants to create rules you don't agree with you have a right to make the opposing argument and sway others to your side if you can; doesn't work, you may need to leave that group.

I personally think lists like these can be good examples but too often they get pushed as the only way to do something.

If I wanted the only way to do something, I'd join a cult.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 1:45:09 PM

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Hello Tammyjo,
No. My post was not a reply to your comment...but I'll respond to you anyway. Hopefully IN that post, I did not come across as someone in favor of "textbook" masters or doms. A Master that can instill his OWN rules into his slave is one, to me, worth admiration.

Should someone read the OP and see a rule he may want to impliment into his way of life....lovely.

Frankly, however a couple wants to live their life is their business. Whether that be Gor, fantasy, simply kinky, online only, or extreme couples, couples that do nothing but giggle all day, etc...as long as those values work for them, that's all that matters.

I enjoyed your latest post.

Solitaire

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 2:55:37 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: amayos

Ultimately this text can be truncated into the following: I exist to love and obey my Master.

This warmed my heart, because it is my truth.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 3:03:22 PM

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I know we just did this topic a few weeks ago. My comments there summed up what I thought about the rules.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_395067/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm
Laundry List Rules was the name of the thread.

This was my comment:

quote:

* I'm going to play devil's advocate here. *
I'm betting that I could sit down and come up with 126 rules of my household. I'm pretty sure I could think of at least 126 different things I've taught, I disallow, I insist upon, etc... It would start something like this:
1. No drugs.
2. No alcohol.
3. Put the damn seat back down after you pee.
and on and on until I got to 126.
Although it's hard to believe that I could hand this list to someone and they could memorize it in 3 days flat, it's not impossible. When I was taking Constitutional Law, I had a stack of over 400 index cards with court cases, and shocked the hell out of myself that I had them memorized within a week. (I could probably even still quote at least 3, lol) We can generally do what we set our minds to accomplish. It's not unrealistic to expect that those in someone's home will learn and comply with their rules. Someone enthused about doing so, will do so more quickly.

Do I think some of those rules were unrealistic? Absolutely. I also found some of them redundant to the point that the list is probably really only about 80 rules just worded several times in different ways. I thought some of the rules were pretty stupid, shallow, superficial, and laughable.
But...
they aren't my rules and it's not my household, and it's not my relationship.

I've been to the best slave training site and like anything else, I took what I liked and discarded the rest. I don't know really that anything from that site sticks out in my mind. But if there was something I hadn't thought of, that would have applied well for me and mine to try, I probably tried it, and scrolled over the 126 rules without even reading them. Maybe someone wandering around out there saw these rules and said "Hot damn! I can apply 18 of those to my relationship and really spice things up!"

I do not know the person or people who came up with the rules. Maybe those rules work real well for them. Maybe they have a hell of a fun time trying to implement them. Maybe it really turned the gal on and made her smile to lay there naked, ass in the air, reading them each day. Maybe it's a hoot for her to shake her tail feathers while she scrubs his toilet.
If they like what they are doing, and it works for them, and in the process gives other people a few ideas to try, I think its fantastic.

< Message edited by Proprietrix -- 6/17/2006 3:09:41 PM >

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 3:44:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: HouseofBear

Chuckles, who would want to be the dominant having to remember all the rules?

Maybe a lawyer or a cop would.

Personally, I think this list was probably created by somebody typing with one hand who had a very active imagination and no life whatsoever.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 4:44:57 PM

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{fast reply}

I went thru this and concentrated more on the instructions than the actually rules, and had mixed feelings.

A couple of the instructions seemed to be making this a M/s limits checklist with the slave making the usual ranking of 1-5 along the lines of a D/s checklist. The lower ranked ones were then to be discussed with the master. However, since it seemed to be written in a context of a 'slave has no limits', it was prolly more a tool to find the areas that the new slave would need work to overcome.

But the area that stood out to me was that the author claimed to be a trainer of slaves - not sure whether for others, or just to train someone who had a desire to be a slave. Either way, it seems to be written by someone with a One-True-Way approach to what a slave should be, not just for himself.

The subject of trainers in the l/s has been discussed in other threads, but this is the sort of training that I would see as misguided and arrogant to assume that the author knows all that another Master would want from a slave.

However, I would also agree with KoM's post and think it would be an excellent post to show a new person with rose coloured glasses and fantassies about being a slave, and ask - "Is this the sort of life you wish to embark on in reality?"

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 4:58:29 PM

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boy o boy, this list has gotten alot of press over the years.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/17/2006 11:50:27 PM

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Damn it's amazing what's still left around from the first days of the net presence of BDSM. It's also amazing what a small community we really are. For, I know the guy who wrote that list, and it was just something he dashed off one afternoon from all the sources he could think of, and posted it. After that, it seems to have taken on a life of it's own.

Ladies and Gentlemen, It's not canon law, it's just doodles from long ago that people think is important for no other reason than it's old.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/18/2006 2:46:20 AM

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didnt you read it the all mighty BDSM Gods have spoken and he has handed down his 128 commandments that all us subs must follow cuz after all there is only one way to practis BDSM and those are the rules that must be followed!!!
(sarcasm drips from every word)

LOL
lets not even mention the fact that I dont think any sub/slave/bottom would want to live by all those rules who wants to remeber them all and some of them are crazy.. he does know that subs are real people!!! I hope

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/18/2006 3:49:17 AM

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Regardless of the original post, ya have to wonder why people can only ridicule rather than express an opinion. The author of the article didn't post here. He posted on his own website. sheeezzz.... dont you guys have enough to attack here?

I know.... let me take posts from here to be ridiculed at other sites.. that would be easy. Those that laff at posts from other sites should have their posts made available all over the net to be laffed at?

If a post is placed here for others to see, no matter how much you disagree, I think there should be some respect for a person who has no knowledge of the posting here and therefore can't defend himself. disagree, agree, discuss - but if ya just gonna be a pita - keep ya mouth shut.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/18/2006 3:52:31 AM

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Brosco, I think you are taking some of the replies way too seriously. I mean, don't you think that some are just for laughs? I've seen some rather silly questions posed here...silly answers seem appropriate. I'm not talking about this one specifically...just in general.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/18/2006 4:04:31 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

Brosco, I think you are taking some of the replies way too seriously. I mean, don't you think that some are just for laughs? I've seen some rather silly questions posed here...silly answers seem appropriate. I'm not talking about this one specifically...just in general.

Yep, I have seen serious questions answerred with silly replies... I have seen silly questions answered with serious replies.

This was a different situation. A person put up a website with his serious opinion. It is brought here for serious discussion. Thats fair. But if you think its fair to also copy that post and ridicule it, you would have to accept that it would also be fair to copy any post you made and also ridicule it elsewhere.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/18/2006 4:16:56 AM

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Unfortunately, when talking about the net...nothing is fair. Um, when you (I mean you in general) post anything on the web, it's fair game...sorry, that's just the way it is. (I am, of course, assuming that this wasn't copywrited or is it copywritten?). To be honest, I would be surprised if something I had written (either in jest or seriously) wasn't ridiculed somewhere.

As far as this specific post is concerned, it may be the title of it. Of course the author is entitled to his or her opinion and can title his or her writing whatever s/he chooses but when the title appears somewhat pompous.........I must say that, in my opinion, the title of this post makes it sound like these 128 "rules" are just that...rules. I don't know about others, but I don't believe the author has the right to make rules for me or anyone else but him/herself (and his/her slave). The only One who makes rules for me is my Dom.

I want to be clear that I don't think (again, just my opinion) that is what s/he intended...it's simply the title that makes it appear so.

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RE: 128 rules of slavery? - 6/18/2006 4:24:03 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

Unfortunately, when talking about the net...nothing is fair. Um, when you (I mean you in general) post anything on the web, it's fair game...sorry, that's just the way it is. (I am, of course, assuming that this wasn't copywrited or is it copywritten?). To be honest, I would be surprised if something I had written (either in jest or seriously) wasn't ridiculed somewhere.

If you actually look at the original site you will find it was very clearly marked as copyright and that reproduction of even single parts were prohibited. The parts posted here were a violation. The only allowed copies were for personal use.

Brosco

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