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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 4:40:25 PM   
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Can you? Sure, I have seen the ratio listed as 4:1.


As far as I know, the ratio is higher if you're talking peak concentration. The effect drops quickly as the alcohol redistributes to other tissue compartments, but the BAC itself will peak far higher than what it settles at. Using a ratio of 4:1 for something that will get you solidly drunk sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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Thats part of the problem. Its available on the "webz" and the rations change. 4 parts water to 1 part wine is a heavy concentration... yet the way it was presented they made it seem like nothing at all.

Alcohol poisoning is no joke. Its definitely not something I would want to play with.


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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 4:47:33 PM   
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There was too much good stuff in your post to quote, so I'll just say "thank you" for all of it. Very interesting and helpful perspective.

Your version definitely sounds safe, sane, and consensual. Kudos!

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 5:41:17 PM   
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To be honest, I've only heard of it mentioned as a kink on-line. I've never seen it done at any public or private play party that I've ever attended.



There is your anwser right there. This is not the act of a mature BDSM community member, this is the act of a HNG.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 5:47:50 PM   
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To be honest, I've only heard of it mentioned as a kink on-line. I've never seen it done at any public or private play party that I've ever attended.



There is your anwser right there. This is not the act of a mature BDSM community member, this is the act of a HNG.

It's nothing of the sort. Instead, it has very much to do with liability issues for club owners and party hosts. We're not still in the days of the cash bar and poppers at clubs in major cities. Why do you think those things have changed?



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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 6:02:02 PM   
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To be honest, I've only heard of it mentioned as a kink on-line. I've never seen it done at any public or private play party that I've ever attended.



There is your anwser right there. This is not the act of a mature BDSM community member, this is the act of a HNG.

It's nothing of the sort. Instead, it has very much to do with liability issues for club owners and party hosts. We're not still in the days of the cash bar and poppers at clubs in major cities. Why do you think those things have changed?




While I can admit that it can and probably is done occasionally by a responsible Dom/me, it is far, far more prevalant in the group of people who are out to get their rocks off and don't give a flying squirrel about their "partner" (for lack of a better word), and from what I have read in this thread by so-called "financial Dominants" (not going to even start in on that subject).

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 6:05:47 PM   
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There is your anwser right there. This is not the act of a mature BDSM community member, this is the act of a HNG.

In case you return to the thread, please understand that this comment of yours was an unfortunate one. Two well-known presenters posted on this very thread that they engage in forced intox in their personal relationships, and someone else wrote the Post of the Week (as far as I'm concerned) about forced intox techniques in the gay community well before the advent of the internet. So your post makes you look like someone unnecessarily impressed by his level of knowledge.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 6:20:51 PM   
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While I can admit that it can and probably is done occasionally by a responsible Dom/me, it is far, far more prevalant in the group of people who are out to get their rocks off and don't give a flying squirrel about their "partner" (for lack of a better word), and from what I have read in this thread by so-called "financial Dominants" (not going to even start in on that subject).

Good Evening,

Majority? Perhaps. In fact, you site another perfectly good example of what *seems* to be prevalent in another area. Financial Domination. The same thing pops up when we talk about things such as mentoring or when people use the word training. Those are also areas that seem to have almost been overtaken by the stuff that comes across the net.

Now, I have heard of what you are referring to and some of what has been said here. Get the guy on the other end of the cam intoxicated to the point that he honestly doesn't know what he's forking over from his wallet anymore. I can't really talk about kinks that are called the same thing and used by other people differently. In fact, I may be out of place here because "forced intoxication" may not exactly be what others would think of if I'm using it in the terms of "drink that". (And you will continue to "drink that" until such time as I am happy with the intoxication level. <grin>.) In a sense, that's just plain obedience. Still, I think it fits the parameters.

I mean, let's kind of get real here. You would have to agree that there are a lot of men out there who would just love to be taken advantage of while having a few drinks in them. We haven't sanitized ourselves so much that we are above that, have we?



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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 8:49:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, forced intoxication. In the past no one had to force it on me lol. Drinking simply was a lot of fun because it lowers your inhibitions and makes you do things you normally would not. Anytime I drink I loosen up quite a lot. I become giggly and talk wwaayyy too much and flirt a lot. I'm nothing at all like that in my daily life.

Now these days I rarely drink. Give me a drink and a half and I'm gone. Master has only seen me like that maybe once or twice. He has found it funny I think. He has talked about how he would have liked to have seen me when I drank regularly and a lot, just to see how wild I was. I cringe now at those thoughts. There have been times when Master said he would get me drunk just to see how low my inhibitions get. But I doubt he would ever do it simply because he doesn't drink at all...not even one drop. And I have told him how the next day I completely crash and my depression hits hard.

I can see the inclination towards forced intoxication though...lowering your inhibitions, becoming free of all your stresses of the day and a Dom being able to do more with someone who can tolerate more during that time.

I personally don't have a problem with it as long as both parties have been together for a long time and know each other extremely well and can read the other person's body signals and such and both parties are well....rational, have common sense and some kind of intelligence of basic body wellness.

I would NOT recommend this though for those who have just met or not known each other a long time...by long time I mean years...not weeks or months and have communication problems and are in an unhealthy relationship.



ETA: I should have just read NV's post. Basically I'm the same way she is. I've told people numerous times that when I get drunk I am not responsible for what I say or what I do lol. And being that Master doesn't drink, I can feel safe enough to have a couple of drinks if we are out and there were a couple of times that I can remember where he bought me a couple extra drinks because he knew I was having some rough times and I needed to loosen up plus it would put me to sleep faster lol.



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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/10/2012 10:30:07 PM   
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I personally don't have a problem with it as long as both parties have been together for a long time and know each other extremely well and can read the other person's body signals and such and both parties are well....rational, have common sense and some kind of intelligence of basic body wellness.

I would NOT recommend this though for those who have just met or not known each other a long time...by long time I mean years...not weeks or months and have communication problems and are in an unhealthy relationship.

I totally agree with this. If we were still really new in our relationship and he was pushing me to drink, I'd be raising an eyebrow (or two) for sure.

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ETA: I should have just read NV's post. Basically I'm the same way she is. I've told people numerous times that when I get drunk I am not responsible for what I say or what I do lol. And being that Master doesn't drink, I can feel safe enough to have a couple of drinks if we are out and there were a couple of times that I can remember where he bought me a couple extra drinks because he knew I was having some rough times and I needed to loosen up plus it would put me to sleep faster lol.



The Mister does drink, but I have never - ever - seen him at the point where I couldn't trust him with me. In fact, if he's pouring for me, I know at that point he's maintaining himself to the point where he is watching out for both of us.

And I hear ya about the rough times. Today was a particularly hard day in that we buried my sister's husband. He couldn't be there today but when I called him afterwards he told me to pour myself a glass of wine and relax a bit....which I did.


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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/11/2012 3:56:00 PM   
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I just wanted to say, you ask some interesting questions. The conversations you start and responses you give to others' topics are always of interest to me.


Thanks QR. I appreciate that.

(She was obviously drunk when she wrote it).


No, no. Not drunk. Tipsy, maybe. Look at my sig line. High-class booze mustn't be chugged, dear. *Hic!*

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/11/2012 5:18:41 PM   
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I don't start many threads around here. But when I do, it's usually because I'm trying to fill in gaps in my knowledge/understanding. That's my goal with this thread.

So I was thinking about forced intoxication, and I'm having a difficult time wrapping my mind around it. I know that forced intoxication is a kink that some people participate in, but I've never actually seen it practiced, and I've obviously never participated in it. So I'd like some input from those who know a bit more about it than I do.

For example, what does the person who is inflicting the forced intoxication get out of it? Is it a form of humiliation play? Is it about control? Is it a form of sadism? Is it just a way to loosen the sub's inhibitions? Is it all of the above, or something entirely different? I'd appreciate any thoughts on what benefit the Dom/Domme gets from intentionally getting someone drunk.

Secondly, from a sub standpoint, what do you get out of being forced to get intoxicated? As I asked above, do you enjoy the humiliation of it? Or the loss of control? Or is it a form of masochism? Or are you just looking for an excuse to get drunk? Or is there something else about forced intoxication that you enjoy?

Lastly, how do you keep your forced intoxication play safe? Is there a limit to how drunk you allow your sub to get in order to keep it safe? Or is the inherent danger of forced intoxication part of the appeal?

Hopefully, some of you have experience with this kink and can enlighten me. Like I said, it's one of the few kinks that I've never seen done, and have absolutely no knowledge of.

Thanks in advance for your input/insight.


I had a Domme once that insisted I drink Crown Royal every night as punishment (Damn her!!!!....Damn her all to HELL!!!!!).


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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/11/2012 8:39:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's gotten me to have a drink without a full meal once or twice. He thinks it's funny that I can't walk straight after one. But that isn't enough to make me ill, just sleepy.

I always read that the alcohol enemas had a 3:1 ratio. One ounce had the effect of 3.

However, please remember that if you are taking any medications that make alcohol more potent, like hypertensive meds, that 3:1 could be more like 9:1. If you wouldn't pour 9 glasses into them, don't do it with an enema. And all kinds of medications including over the counter should be included in this list.

And yes, it's the high blood pressure medications that make me such a cheap drunk.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/12/2012 3:16:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I tried a wine enema once. Don't remember much of what happened after that, but apparently (according to my ex) I was amazing! It was more of a "you so can't get too drunk like that" and when you wake up on the floor with flog marks down your back it turns into a "oh, I guess you can get drunk that way"

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RE: Forced intoxication - 12/12/2012 9:08:43 AM   
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I suppose retrograde amnesia might be useful for the rape play scenarios. Wake up, no idea where, no idea how you got there, no idea what even happened, except you know you had a special "date" planned, and you're moderately drunk for some reason. I don't think there's too many folks that could pull it off safely, though, save by sheer luck, and most of those would wisely avoid it.

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RE: Forced intoxication - 1/4/2013 7:41:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I had never heard of it being a kink until now also, Maria. And I personally can't imagine my being so desperate to feel I have control over a submissive that I must get him intoxicated.

As you say, it goes beyond the sound rule not to drink and play at the same time.
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In all my time on the scene I have never heard of forced intoxication being a kink. I have heard of alcohol enemas but more in the vanilla world than the BDSM world and they are not forced.
If it is a kink then its a new one to me but maybe its more of an American thing?
I don't play with a drunk person because as far as I'm concerned, a drunk is in not mind to consent safely. I couldn't trust or rely on his/her word. As someone who is an advocate of SSC and because 'this kink' is not part of SSC it would never enter into my BDSM world or be accepted by me as a BDSM act.


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RE: Forced intoxication - 1/5/2013 9:33:22 AM   
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Well, no, not really. If your kink is forced intoxication, you're free to engage in it. But, not only would I not consent to join in, if I were at a party and saw it going on and the DM or Host allowed it to continue, I'd be out of there.

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