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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:24:05 PM   
SpankMuhButt


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Status: offline 		Amazing, I keep reading all of these mindfucks and my sick demented mine has me so aroused lol. god i love a good mind fuck.............things with my new Dom havn't gone there yet. I think I may just have to send him a link to this thread.........hmmm would that be topping from the bottom.....or just a sutle hint? lol
keep them comming these are good

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:25:43 PM   
kickinchick


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Status: offline 		MindFucks are nothing but fun......I only wish I had a mind to fuck with....
Giggles, teasing.  Fastlane, swears my mind is worthy of fucking, but all he takes is my body......hmmmm, I wonder if that is a mind fuck?
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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:30:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		These things can only be done with a submissive that already has a lot of trust in the person doing it.  At those most scary, omg freaky moments, one has to rely heavily upon that trust .. that their Dom will never let any harm or injury come to them. Iit is the ultimate in letting go and just trusting...  or such has been my experience.

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:30:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		When i first became involved in this lifestyle, i was sharing a house with my play partner and another friend of ours.  One NYE, we agreed to stay in and celebrate at the house.  After a nice dinner and a few cocktails, my partner began whispering that our roommate was interested in participating in a scene.  Throughout the night he would whisper a brief description of what was planned.  This effected me on several levels...i didn't want to ruin the peace we had in house by introducing the vanilla guy this way and at that time, a threesome petrified me. 
 
The description of activities became more graphic as the night progressed and bordered many of my limits at that time.  It seemed that they had been building a cross in the garage and that night, i would be bound and used with no mercy.  I had not mastered self control over my claustrophobia back then and this put me in panic mode with fear of being confined.  I was dying to get the roommate alone and beg him not to go through with it.  He hadn't said much other than things such as "Oh Jim, i got the rope you wanted at home depot today" or "that's quite a project you've got going in the garage there".  And to me "I hope you won't be too sore tomorrow".
 
As i was mixing drinks, i came across a bottle of grain alcohol someone had given us....i began mixing roommates drinks with it...desperately hoping that he would pass out.  I slugged a few down myself hoping to ease the ever increasing anxiety i was feeling.
 
Midnight came...and i was less than enthusiastic.  Jim whispered something to roommate and he went out into the garage and came back with a couple of wooden pieces.  Jim whispered for me to go into his bedroom, strip and wait for them.  I heard a hammer banging.  The sound riddled my body at each stroke of the hammer's dull thud.  I knew i was working myself up into a complete frenzy.  Jim returned to the room, took his bag out of the closet, placed nipple clamps on me and left the room with a few other items.   I knew it was only a matter of time now.  I laid down on the bed as a debated my fate.
 
I woke up the next morning in Jim's bed...amazed it was daylight out and tried to clear my head to recall the events that had transpired the night before....wait, nothing had happened...i went out into the kitchen and into the living room and was struck by the sight of a new cabinet that they had constructed the night before....LOL  As for the roommate, he had no idea what had transpired during those private whispers.  All he knew is they were building some shelving for the entertainment center…and he had awoken with one hell of a hangover.
 
Side note---four years later and many miles away from that house in Texas,  i finally confided to that roommate, who had become my husband, what actually had taken place that night.  It was soon after that NYE though that i learned to control my claustrophobia.  I vowed never to allow my mind to create such havoc (self destructing).  It was only after that could i  begin to appreciate the humor and creativity of mindfuc$s.
 

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:37:52 PM   
LadyHugs


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Status: offline 		Dear mistoferin, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
There are a certain bunch in the lifestyle that get off on the 'rush' and the 'danger.'  It really is a small bunch.  However, the submissive, slave and or bottom is just as much involved into the mental play.  Because it is a trust and consensual lifestyle, which sets us apart; it takes a lot of steps to get to the final edge and the "bang" effect.
 
One thing that seperates us is mutual trust, communications and consent, via negotiations.  I don't mark somebody unless I have the consent.  Most of my scenes are without marks but, a healthy dose of "wow."  Anything outside of the dungeon boundary will provoke doubts in trust.  And, this is also known in some 'camps' to which folks participate.
 
If trust is a personal issue, to which you have been betrayed -- by all means do not negotiate into any mental mind play period.  That includes interrogation scenes, rape scenes and the like.
 
All mind games can be toned down a lot into sensation scenes to wake up and mild cross overs, not the extreme fear as some wish.  I do all sorts of scenes from light to heavy.
 
I do agree and acknowledge, that dominants need to make sure that the victim of such mental extremes, need to know that their victim is healthy, that they can withstand the stress mentally, emotionally, physically and that they understand the risks.
 
The mind is the most powerful thing we have and possess.  Dominants (with consent) tap into such and create the sensations to which trips the mind with associations to create the response.  And, when the scene is done, we dominants do not have permission to reenter that mind to metal with it further.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:44:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: reticence
These things can only be done with a submissive that already has a lot of trust in the person doing it.  At those most scary, omg freaky moments, one has to rely heavily upon that trust .. that their Dom will never let any harm or injury come to them. Iit is the ultimate in letting go and just trusting...  or such has been my experience.


No disrespect intended here but that is the exact reason I can not see it working. The Dominants who I have been with long term HAD every ounce of my trust....which is exactly the reason they never chose to compromise it with a mindfuck. For one, if they told me they were going to do something that would cause permanent damage like slicing off my nipple, I would have a very hard time believing that. If they attempted to make me think that they had indeed sliced off my nipple, then I wouldn't be able to put much faith in what they said they were going to do in the future. Either way, it would compromise the believability of their word.



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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 2:50:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs
One thing that seperates us is mutual trust, communications and consent, via negotiations.  I don't mark somebody unless I have the consent.  Most of my scenes are without marks but, a healthy dose of "wow." 


This is why I don't understand the whole mindfuck scenario. If I were a man and you were my Dominant and I know that you don't leave marks without consent....how do you mindfuck me into believing that you would actually axe my genitalia? If I trusted that you are who you say you are....I simply could not be forced to doubt you enough to believe that you would carry out such an action.

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:05:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: reticence

These things can only be done with a submissive that already has a lot of trust in the person doing it.  At those most scary, omg freaky moments, one has to rely heavily upon that trust .. that their Dom will never let any harm or injury come to them. Iit is the ultimate in letting go and just trusting...  or such has been my experience.


this is exactly what mindf*cks entail . their has to be complete trust with the Dom performing the mindf*ck ... the part that makes it a mind fuck is the unknowing of what is to happen but that you trust he will not harm you in a permanent way

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:19:47 PM   
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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:22:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

quote:

ORIGINAL: reticence
These things can only be done with a submissive that already has a lot of trust in the person doing it.  At those most scary, omg freaky moments, one has to rely heavily upon that trust .. that their Dom will never let any harm or injury come to them. Iit is the ultimate in letting go and just trusting...  or such has been my experience.


No disrespect intended here but that is the exact reason I can not see it working. The Dominants who I have been with long term HAD every ounce of my trust....which is exactly the reason they never chose to compromise it with a mindfuck. For one, if they told me they were going to do something that would cause permanent damage like slicing off my nipple, I would have a very hard time believing that. If they attempted to make me think that they had indeed sliced off my nipple, then I wouldn't be able to put much faith in what they said they were going to do in the future. Either way, it would compromise the believability of their word.




For a mind-fuck to be possible, for me at least, there has to be the possibility that the *thing* actually COULD happen and there is little that I'd put past my Master.....lol

Some of my most memorable times have involved mind-fucks....the imagination, the surrealness....and being aware that we shared the most amazing time. I probably see it as a kind of sadistic teasing.

My trust has never been compromised because of it.

It probably takes a certain robustness to have your mind played with in this way so it might not be something that everyone could cope with. I like security, very much so, but this type of uncertainty doesn't affect my fundamental security and trust at all.

agirl

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:22:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		"This is why I don't understand the whole mindfuck scenario. If I were a man and you were my Dominant and I know that you don't leave marks without consent....how do you mindfuck me into believing that you would actually axe my genitalia? If I trusted that you are who you say you are....I simply could not be forced to doubt you enough to believe that you would carry out such an action."

Mistoferin, please forgive me, i dont have that quote thing down yet.

I almost think you cant read too much into it.. it is fun. The moments of closeness and aftercare after are incredible,  that feeling of "how could i ever have doubted you.."  the sharing of those incredible moments together.. all combine to make  an incredible mixture of intensities within each emotion experienced.  I am not sure it can be taken apart and analyzed, if so, it would take one much more articulate than I.   All I can say it was never detrimental to any trust I felt.  ymmv, of course.

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:26:22 PM   
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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:28:37 PM   
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If you review these, I think you'll find that most of them do not actually involve lying; instead, they misdirect by presenting things visually and tactilely, allowing the target to draw their own mistaken conclusions. I wouldn't think this would destroy trust?

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:31:15 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SEVADom

erin -

If you review these, I think you'll find that most of them do not actually involve lying; instead, they misdirect by presenting things visually and tactilely, allowing the target to draw their own mistaken conclusions. I wouldn't think this would destroy trust?

Thank you.. (smile)  that is a big part of it... it is my mind that is doing all the crazy stuff.... it is being led up the primrose path by a creative set up... but it is really my mind being phucked 

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:36:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: agirl

For a mind-fuck to be possible, for me at least, there has to be the possibility that the *thing* actually COULD happen and there is little that I'd put past my Master.....lol

Some of my most memorable times have involved mind-fucks....the imagination, the surrealness....and being aware that we shared the most amazing time. I probably see it as a kind of sadistic teasing.

My trust has never been compromised because of it.

It probably takes a certain robustness to have your mind played with in this way so it might not be something that everyone could cope with. I like security, very much so, but this type of uncertainty doesn't affect my fundamental security and trust at all.

agirl



Exactly agirl and i meant to mention that fact.  In order for a MF to be carried out on me, it has to be played within range of possibility and skirt the edge of a limit.  If executed within this area, its the person being MF own mind that will take them over the edge.  Logical thinking and the capacity of reasoning have taken a momentary break  .     We can be our own worst enemies at moments like that.

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:39:22 PM   
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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:51:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: champagnewishes

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ORIGINAL: agirl

For a mind-fuck to be possible, for me at least, there has to be the possibility that the *thing* actually COULD happen and there is little that I'd put past my Master.....lol

Some of my most memorable times have involved mind-fucks....the imagination, the surrealness....and being aware that we shared the most amazing time. I probably see it as a kind of sadistic teasing.

My trust has never been compromised because of it.

It probably takes a certain robustness to have your mind played with in this way so it might not be something that everyone could cope with. I like security, very much so, but this type of uncertainty doesn't affect my fundamental security and trust at all.

agirl



Exactly agirl and i meant to mention that fact.  In order for a MF to be carried out on me, it has to be played within range of possibility and skirt the edge of a limit.  If executed within this area, its the person being MF own mind that will take them over the edge.  Logical thinking and the capacity of reasoning have taken a momentary break  .     We can be our own worst enemies at moments like that.


Hello champagnewishes,

I suppose the fact that there's a consistant unpredictability makes it much easier to do this, in my own case. I've never had the security of knowing EXACTLY what he would or wouldn't do therefore I don't EXPECT it. The best I get is to *expect the unexpected*.

agirl

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:53:28 PM   
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For a mind-fuck to be possible, for me at least, there has to be the possibility that the *thing* actually COULD happen and there is little that I'd put past my Master.....lol

Some of my most memorable times have involved mind-fucks....the imagination, the surrealness....and being aware that we shared the most amazing time. I probably see it as a kind of sadistic teasing.

My trust has never been compromised because of it.

It probably takes a certain robustness to have your mind played with in this way so it might not be something that everyone could cope with. I like security, very much so, but this type of uncertainty doesn't affect my fundamental security and trust at all. 


Yup...my sentiments exactly, agirl.  For example, I know a couple who have been bound for some time.  They have talked for some time about a permanent mark for her…a mark of ownership by him.  Tattoos, scarification, brands, piercings…they’ve discussed many things.
 
Now, a Dominant has to always be one jump ahead of his/her submissive…and always thinking!  Soooooooo…this particular Dom never told his girl he had no intention of actually putting hot metal to her body.  Nope, instead they perused websites and talked to people earnestly about the possibility of branding the girl.  The Dom asked many questions about it and learned a lot…as if he intended to do this.
 
And then he planned it!  It was to be a sacred party…this Branding.  They invited just two other couples who they both trusted implicitly.  One had had something to do with brandings before; either giving them or getting them. 
 
At any rate, the evening arrived, after a light celebratory dinner, the girl was bound tightly…you just cannot have a girl wiggling when a hot poker is gonna be pressed against her body, yanno!  Perhaps they played a bit before hand, so her endorphins were going…she was a bit spacey, I imagine.  Lights lowered while she’s tied securely to a table, soft music droning rhythmically in the background…he slipped a blindfold over her; telling her it will help her to relax. 
 
Two other submissives stood beside her, stroking and petting her in the event they were needed to hold the girl down.  She wanted this wholeheartedly…but it was scary, after all!!!   I heard she was trembling violently, but not objecting one bit.
 
He asks her if she’s ready now…she says she is…he kisses her gently and offers words of encouragement…and he applies what feels like intense heat to her body.  She screams as she hears and smells her flesh cook…   except he’s holding a sliver of ice to her skin and what she smells was a bit of hamburger tossed sizzling into a very hot pan nearby. 
 
So...you see, it takes a great deal of trust AND a bit of doubt thrown in, huh? 

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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:57:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SEVADom
If you review these, I think you'll find that most of them do not actually involve lying; instead, they misdirect by presenting things visually and tactilely, allowing the target to draw their own mistaken conclusions. I wouldn't think this would destroy trust? 


LOL... well said, Sir!  I'd say that's it in a nutshell! 
 
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RE: Mindf*cks...ya gotta love 'em!!! - 6/17/2006 3:59:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		i sooo know i am in for a mindf*ck after Sab reading this thread... or He will make me think i am, and not do it... oh no... see how well these things can work without even DOING anything?!  lol

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