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AthenaSurrenders -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/12/2012 10:13:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: teeagedom

can some one explain to me why many people have a problem with younger Doms/Masters?


Why do you think?

That's not a snarky answer. Being able to put yourself in other's shoes and figure out their perspectives and motivations is an important life skill. It's a VERY important dom-skill. If you're going to motivate someone to submit to you and make sure you both get the best from their service, you're going to need to do a lot of that.

So. Why do you think some people have issues with young doms and Masters?

I know it's frustrating being young. I was 19 when I started my D/s relationship. I think I was a pretty mature 19 year old, and I had enough sense to know that I didn't know much. But oh boy, I had some growing up to do. So much changing goes on between being 18 and being 22. Basic life things, like learning to manage your finances, keep a house, commit to study and work long term, adult relationship experience. No matter how smart and mature you are at 19, you're going to be different at 25. And I'm sure all these older folks on here look at me at 25 and think 'what does that kid know?' But not because they're being mean, just because they can look back on their own younger self and see how far they've come.

The good news is, you're on the right end of this age-problem. You're getting older every day. Think how much worse it would feel if everyone thought you were too old, since you'd never get younger.

In the mean time, put some thought into your own question. Figure out as many reasons as possible that people might dislike young doms and then set about proving them wrong. Give yourself a head start so that by the time you are 25, you're an awesome dom.

They think you might not know how to play safe? So educate yourself. Go to demos, read everything you can.
They think you haven't got your life together enough to mess with someone else's? So get it together. Keep your debt down. Get a good qualification. Work hard, get promoted, get your own place, keep up with the bills, keep it nice.
They think you have no relationship experience? Go get some. Go have a long term relationship or two and learn about good communication and compromise.
They think you're immature? Show them otherwise. Don't rise to it if people wind you up. Go out into the community and get a reputation. Don't whine.
They think young people are dull? Be fascinating. Learn everything you can. Read. Go to galleries. Learn how to cook. Learn how to sail or snowboard or skydive. Do charity work. Travel.

In short - you can sit and feel sorry for yourself that no one is interested because you're young, but all that will achieve is that one day you will realise people still aren't interested even though you're not young anymore. Or you can use this time to be the best person you can be, so that when people do get interested, you're capable of making it work.

Quick edit after reading the profile: Get rid of the complaint that people think you're inexperienced. You are. Experimenting whilst underage doesn't count. It sounds like you are trying to say you know more than you do, which is dangerous. I'd be happy to play with someone who was new and honest. Someone who claimed lots of experience when they were 19, I'd think was deluded and avoid them. People here have 30 years. They ain't going to look on 18 months of kinky sex as experience. I wouldn't call myself experienced, and I've lived it full time for 6 years.




Kana -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 2:30:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: teeagedom

can some one explain to me why many people have a problem with younger Doms/Masters?

They're young






xLaChienne -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 2:48:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: teeagedom

can some one explain to me why many people have a problem with younger Doms/Masters?



In general, I don't think most people do have a problem with them.

Specifically, your profile is terribly done and I can see why most wouldn't be interested when you can't be bothered to put forth the effort to make a decent one. If it is too much effort to put forth a decent introduction one will extrapolate that safety might be too much effort, limits might be too much effort, ... see where I'm going with that?




theRose4U -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 4:12:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aderious511

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ORIGINAL: JeffBC
To elaborate on Ron's (mnottertail's) response, let me give you a specific thing. When Carol says "master" she means "a human being who owns me". For her that's not some kinky code words for "we're dating". It's a literal statement. So to be able to effectively own a woman who is 58 years old you'd need a fair amount of life skills. Think about things like retirement planning, end of life planning, medical conditions, etc. Would you really want to step up to that job? Would any sane woman in Carol's position acknowledge you as credible for such?

What I suspect is that so long as you stick in your peer group then you won't run into this problem so much.



If Carol wanted to be set free, would you let her go?


Had to look if they had responded... Can't wait to see her reply.

Carol is a very smart woman that knows what she wants...a 27 year old pretty boy doesn't even come close no matter how alpha you believe yourself to be.
The question you should have asked isn't would jeff ever release her, but whether Carol would ever have a reason to want release. Even then there becomes an age where compatible kink with the right person is all you will accept. Anything else is settling, which in my mind is a thousand times worse than single.




SimplyMichael -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 4:16:58 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: teeagedom

can some one explain to me why many people have a problem with younger Doms/Masters?


I dont have a problem with them but most are just kids doing stupid kid shit. Its a case of "till proven otherwise"...they are just fluff. I mean would you respect a master half YOUR age?




OsideGirl -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 4:25:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: theRose4U


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aderious511

quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC
To elaborate on Ron's (mnottertail's) response, let me give you a specific thing. When Carol says "master" she means "a human being who owns me". For her that's not some kinky code words for "we're dating". It's a literal statement. So to be able to effectively own a woman who is 58 years old you'd need a fair amount of life skills. Think about things like retirement planning, end of life planning, medical conditions, etc. Would you really want to step up to that job? Would any sane woman in Carol's position acknowledge you as credible for such?

What I suspect is that so long as you stick in your peer group then you won't run into this problem so much.



If Carol wanted to be set free, would you let her go?


Had to look if they had responded... Can't wait to see her reply.

Carol is a very smart woman that knows what she wants...a 27 year old pretty boy doesn't even come close no matter how alpha you believe yourself to be.
The question you should have asked isn't would jeff ever release her, but whether Carol would ever have a reason to want release. Even then there becomes an age where compatible kink with the right person is all you will accept. Anything else is settling, which in my mind is a thousand times worse than single.


Actually, I believe that he has said before that he attempted to release her from submission and she refused.




theRose4U -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 4:48:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: theRose4U
Even then there becomes an age where compatible kink with the right person is all you will accept. Anything else is settling, which in my mind is a thousand times worse than single.


Actually, I believe that he has said before that he attempted to release her from submission and she refused.


Thus proving my point & reinforcing "good subs aren't stupid"




KinksterUK -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 5:08:02 PM)

That was a very decent answer and similar to the one that I was formulating in my mind as I read the posts.

Much as we can all see that he is young, we all started our journeys somewhere and a supportive answer can go a long way to make him a little more reflective.

Nice one Athena. Good luck OP.




Inghammar -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 5:24:23 PM)

Your profile might be the worst thing on the internet right now. Put an effort into it.

Try joining groups such as TNG which deal with younger people and learn a bit. Some seemingly harmless activities can severely injure or kill someone if you do not know what you are doing.




tazzygirl -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 5:29:42 PM)

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Actually, I believe that he has said before that he attempted to release her from submission and she refused


Twice.... lol




JeffBC -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 8:11:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aderious511
If Carol wanted to be set free, would you let her go?

I'm not really sure how this question relates to the thread topic but I'll give it a go. I must point out that I live in the land of reality. What that means is that if Carol wants to be set free and I don't allow that then I'm going to jail. I assume she'd be free once I was behind bars so yeah.. one way or the other I suppose I'd end up letting her go. The better question might be, "Would I allow Carol to want to be set free?" In the end that's not something that would happen because I allowed it or disallowed it. It'd represent the end of a long series of tragic fuck-ups on my part. By that time I would no longer be in control as I'd have lost all respect so she wouldn't need me to allow anything. She'd just walk.

As OsideGirl pointed out, at one point I did come to the conclusion that being held in a TPE relationship as I conceived of it was bad for her. I tried to release her. I failed (LOL, so much for total control, eh?). The story is only partially related but it does demonstrate that I would do what she needed over what I wanted. She happens to feel the same way and was more stubborn than me which is how I ended up failing to release her.

edited to respond to Tazzy's "twice"
Yeah *laughs* Actually three times all told but the first two were very, very early into all this and couldn't really be thought of as serious attempts.




KyttynTheMynx -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 8:14:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: teeagedom

can some one explain to me why many people have a problem with younger Doms/Masters?


Speaking for myself, I am nearly 26. I have never been interested in guys younger than me. I like it that my older partners have had more life experience than I. Why fake it that I like a younger guy, just to make sure someone has their feelings spared?




AllisonWilder -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/13/2012 9:13:40 PM)

There's nothing wrong with a young dom who is well aware that he has a hell of a lot to learn and doesn't try to play up his knowledge/experiences.

I'm 27, I've been in the life to some degree since I was 16, completely committed to it for the last 6-7 years, and I *still* have so much more to learn about and experience. I'm sure to most of the older, more experienced members here, I'm still a kid and I completely understand why they see me that way (and have no issue with them seeing me as a kid).

I know it's been said already, but fix your profile. If it doesn't look like you can respect yourself enough to use real and complete words without spelling errors, you're hardly going to be commanding the respect of a submissive.




WorldsWorstMan -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/17/2012 2:17:58 PM)

Enjoy that young lifestyle young man.. Dont go for the older women that think they have seen it all, take someone your own age and shake her up with some freaky concept she might not know about, and then you are on that lovely road to a house full of nude women and girls, doing the things you say. Good luck.




sexyred1 -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/17/2012 2:29:13 PM)

OP, I have not even read your profile, so I will answer in general.

I have no problem with younger men or older men. I have a problem only if someone is immature, selfish, sociopathic or stupid.

I think the issue when a younger Dom asks these questions, is lack of understanding what ANY relationship requires, let alone D/s.

Many people, young and old, believe there is some magic to being in a successful D/s relationship or that it is instant fantasy gratification.

Not the case. Someone here has a tag line that says, if you are dysfunctional in vanilla relationships, you will be the same in D/s relationships.

Work on your own self awareness and being cognizant of treating women as people first. I would recommend trying to connect with women your own age first. Many younger men want to be with older women, and while that can be fun, there is usually a chasm between needs and values that the age difference creates.

There are always exceptions to the above, but generally, listen more and ask less at this point.




OsideGirl -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/17/2012 2:33:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I have a problem only if someone is immature, selfish, sociopathic or stupid.


Sheesh, Red. Stop being so damned picky.......




mnottertail -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/17/2012 2:35:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: sexyred1
I have a problem only if someone is immature, selfish, sociopathic or stupid.


Sheesh, Red. Stop being so damned picky.......


Whew, if she would have used an 'and' in there instead of an 'or', I would be entirely fucked.  As it is, I think I am getting close to getting me a blowjob now.





lizi -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/17/2012 2:52:38 PM)

Interestingly enough, quite a few people pointed out the abysmal quality of the OP's profile, one poster even posited that the OP may have a learning disability, if not, he certainly seems to. In spite of all that, the OP has not changed a thing on his profile- which is interesting. He asked a question, got answers, and couldn't be bothered to put them into effect. I'd say that's pretty much the problem with younger Doms, as exemplified by this thread.

Disclaimer: I understand that not all younger people are lazy, entitled, or clueless, but I feel a lot of them are. I was once. I wouldn't have made a quality partner at that point in my life because I was lazy, entitled, and clueless. It took a little while to get my shit together. I would never let a younger Dom near me doing BDSM things because I wouldn't feel positive that he cared enough to know what he was doing.




TieMeInKnottss -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/17/2012 3:20:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: JeffBC

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aderious511
If Carol wanted to be set free, would you let her go?

I'm not really sure how this question relates to the thread topic but I'll give it a go. I must point out that I live in the land of reality. What that means is that if Carol wants to be set free and I don't allow that then I'm going to jail. I assume she'd be free once I was behind bars so yeah.. one way or the other I suppose I'd end up letting her go. The better question might be, "Would I allow Carol to want to be set free?" In the end that's not something that would happen because I allowed it or disallowed it. It'd represent the end of a long series of tragic fuck-ups on my part. By that time I would no longer be in control as I'd have lost all respect so she wouldn't need me to allow anything. She'd just walk.

As OsideGirl pointed out, at one point I did come to the conclusion that being held in a TPE relationship as I conceived of it was bad for her. I tried to release her. I failed (LOL, so much for total control, eh?). The story is only partially related but it does demonstrate that I would do what she needed over what I wanted. She happens to feel the same way and was more stubborn than me which is how I ended up failing to release her.

edited to respond to Tazzy's "twice"
Yeah *laughs* Actually three times all told but the first two were very, very early into all this and couldn't really be thought of as serious attempts.


Can they clone you, Jeff, or maybe you could screen my prospects? An American version of you would be a best-seller! (Having a crappy Monday extending from a crappy weekend )




Teroh -> RE: problem with young Doms (12/24/2012 2:12:44 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: teeagedom

can some one explain to me why many people have a problem with younger Doms/Masters?


The reasons do seem to vary.

1) Many submissive females are interested in what are called 'Daddy Doms'; the implication here is obviously for an older gentleman. The rationale behind such an interest varies from preference to psychological issues I hesitate to explain (although I largely suspect it's the same reason our fraternity parties are so successful).

2) Experience, this one simply breaks down to a numbers game. Let's say hypothetically I've been engaged in BDSM every day since I was 16. That means ad maxima I've got 2190 sessions (minus the number that would give away my exact birthday of course :p). That is obviously unrealistic, whereas a Dom who's been at it for 30 years could easily achieve such a figure. You're probably asking, why is experience important?
A) Health and Safety. A vast majority of the interests that comprise BDSM can go wrong in practice, many quickly. The working theory is a guy who's done X activity Y1 times is better equipped to avoid problematic results from said activity as opposed to guy 2 who's only tried activity X Y2 times (where Y1>>Y2).
B) Maximum ROI. If you think about it fetishes are a mental aphrodisiac more than a purely physical one. There's a common saying, 'practice makes perfect', which applies here. It is certainly true that for some submissives the marginal difference in the physical phenomena can have a greater impact on the mental one, thereby increasing the return on investment from the activity.

3) Security, and broken down...
A) Financial. Dunno what you're doing with your life mate, but I can tell you, grad school is fucktons of expensive. While I have no personal doubt yachts are in my future, my financial situation can only accurately be described as volatile. Older gentleman on the other hand, regardless of where they are in life, are more likely to be stabilized (living at their means with the realistic assumption of continuity). Now this one shouldn't shock you, as since the dawn of time and of our country, women have married older men who have earned this security.
B) Social. Suppose temporarily that you are older, you can then have a certain expectation based on how well you've aged, what you d got going for you, etc. on the quality of woman you can attract. In real life, people are much more hesitant to bypass a certain age gap, if for no other reason the social connotation of it. This means your selection of mates is more limited, and you theoretically be very happy to enjoy the nightly company of a woman younger than yourself. Now back to the present, and if you forgive me ill have to speak from my experiences being unfamiliar with yours. So in college, bitches be errwhere, and not just in plethora, but in quality of physical attractiveness. Now I personally have a great taste for novelty, and BDSM is not something I absolutely need in my life. So suppose I'm dating my sub... She's kinky and cute. We have a kegger, similar to every weekend, a boatload of fine and morally ambiguous walks in the door. I meet a Theta, she's smart, sexy, and a much more suitable candidate to bring home to mom. You can see that the sub has less social security in this second scenario, and nobody likes being dumped.

Hopefully I've helped to clarify things a bit. In any case bruv, don't let it get you down. Focus on the things you can provide better as a younger Dom... Potential examples being physique, sexual stamina, adventure, etc.




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