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tazzygirl -> Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 6:44:52 AM)
Yes, our favorite bone of contention is also making the most of this tragedy. Hackers target Westboro Baptist Church after Newtown threat After church leaders announce plans to protest at site of school massacre, Anonymous posts the personal information for dozens of members of the extremist group, including names, e-mail addresses, and phone numbers. That is so not their normal way of sending out a message. And the site is down. http://www.godhatesfags.com/?COLLCC=1631557021& So... we all know Westboro is full of assholes. But they are exercising their freedoms. Is Anonymous in right here? Is it ok to silence a group because we dont like what they have to say?

jlf1961 -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 6:50:33 AM)
New federal laws 1) Members of the westboro church are rendered incapable of reproduction. 2) Children of Westboro members are removed and placed in foster care with sane families and sent to deprogramers until the idiocy of their parents is gone. 3) Stick the adult members of this church in a warehouse with one bathroom, no toilet paper and no ventalation and feed em nothing but taco bell and laxatives.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 6:53:34 AM)
And what does any of that have to do with the OP?

NuevaVida -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 6:59:59 AM)
Here is the message from Anonymous. One of the comments from viewers posts the link from Anonymous, with the personal info for the Westboro Church....looks like most of them are from the same family. http://vimeo.com/55671721 The link of info (not sure if I can paste it here, so feel free to find the link from the above link) also lists all the domains they use. Godhatesfags.com is just one of them. These g

NuevaVida -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:01:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Is Anonymous in right here? Is it ok to silence a group because we dont like what they have to say? Are they silencing them, or just exposing them? The information was obtained by hackers, which I don't agree with, but part of me is glad they did.

jlf1961 -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:01:32 AM)
I hit post before I was ready. On the topic of the op, can we not use the Intelligence Agencies of this country to track these individuals down and give them a medal and a large sum of money? Maybe pay for a weeks services with a $20,000 call girl, or guy as the case may be? Give em a government job they can never be fired from? Beach front homes on the beach of their choosing? Exempt them from taxes for life? We got to reward them somehow.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:10:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Is Anonymous in right here? Is it ok to silence a group because we dont like what they have to say? Are they silencing them, or just exposing them? The information was obtained by hackers, which I don't agree with, but part of me is glad they did. Depends. I am assuming they paid for the domain they use. And that is a form of speech.

Fightdirecto -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:18:53 AM)
If I were to publically reveal the membership list of a local Shriners group or a Masonic Temple, would that somehow prevent them from organizing fundraisers for the local children’s hospital? The group Anonymous can reasonably argue that they are exercising their own 1st Amendment rights by revealing the data about various members of Westboro Baptist. Further, if the members of Westboro Baptist truly believe in what they are preaching and believing, they should be proud to let everyone know their addresses, phones numbers, e-mail addresses, etc. They should put bumper stickers on their cars and signs on their front lawns announcing their membership. If they are so weak in the faith/belief that they must hide their membership, maybe they should find another religious group. As long as their group is not committing crimes, why do they need to hide their membership? Publically revealing this information does not prevent the members of Westboro Baptist from exercising their 1st Amendment right to be assholes.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:28:22 AM)
Revealing, yes.... hacking?

DesideriScuri -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:41:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Yes, our favorite bone of contention is also making the most of this tragedy. Hackers target Westboro Baptist Church after Newtown threat After church leaders announce plans to protest at site of school massacre, Anonymous posts the personal information for dozens of members of the extremist group, including names, e-mail addresses, and phone numbers. That is so not their normal way of sending out a message. And the site is down. http://www.godhatesfags.com/?COLLCC=1631557021& So... we all know Westboro is full of assholes. But they are exercising their freedoms. Is Anonymous in right here? Is it ok to silence a group because we dont like what they have to say? That would all depend on if the information was public before Anonymous posts it. It may not have been located all in one source before, but if it's public information, did Anonymous do anything wrong? The link you showed didn't include the personal info dissemination post, so I have no idea if there was a call for action against the members, or some other illegal action. Even the video posted wasn't a threat to any individual, but to the organization. I guess the real question is, did they do anything illegal, or did Anonymous use their right to free speech, too? As far as Westboro's site being down, can it be proven that it was Anonymous? I'm not supporting the actions, possible actions, or message of Anonymous. I'm also not supporting Westboro Baptist.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:56:41 AM)
Im so not a supporter of Westboro. I just cant help but wonder, after reading this, does it make it ok because so many agree with what Anonymous has done? For any future posts on this thread.... I am not talking about Anonymous releasing any information.. Im sure much of its available through public records. But, if we are truly in favor of free speech, can we truly support the actions of Anonymous?

Moonhead -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 7:56:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Revealing, yes.... hacking? I'm with fightdirecto for once. If they don't have the balls to walk the walk as well as talk the talk if people know who they are and they can't rely on protection provided by the police while disrupting a stranger's funeral, then fuck the gutless little shits. (As for the other issue you raise: hasn't publicly outing people as gays in a bid to get them fired or beaten up long been a tactic for the religious right?)

Notsweet -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:02:52 AM)
Just an odd thought. If Westboro Baptist has a right to free speech, then a large group of bikers and outraged citizens surely has the right to get between them and a funeral. It's hard, this free speech. But we've determined that it does not impede free speech to keep distance between that free speech and other people's right to freely assemble. So let them scream and wave their pathetic signs, but at a distance. Ten miles would be my choice, but a distance that would at least mute their ridiculous noise.

slvemike4u -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:04:21 AM)
I understand the questions you are raising tazzy,and their larger implications. In truth though I just can't,at this point,bring myself to give a shit. Perhaps it would have been better to let Westboro follow thru on their threat...and let them suffer the backlash of an angry nation after having done so. But as I said I don't care,not on this morning....I'm sorry.

Notsweet -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:07:23 AM)
Hacking isn't free speech, it's a criminal act. So while we can't condone hacking, I certainly have no problem with publishing the information of individuals who choose to make themselves public --VERY public-- figures.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:09:49 AM)
True, it is a criminal act. It is also removing an avenue of communication.

DesideriScuri -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:11:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Im so not a supporter of Westboro. I just cant help but wonder, after reading this, does it make it ok because so many agree with what Anonymous has done? For any future posts on this thread.... I am not talking about Anonymous releasing any information.. Im sure much of its available through public records. But, if we are truly in favor of free speech, can we truly support the actions of Anonymous? How has Anonymous limited Westboro's free speech? Unless there is something criminal in Anonymous's actions, the case can be made that this is simply Anonymous exercising free speech.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:24:05 AM)
Hacking is criminal. Taking down a site is limiting speech quote: Phelps-Roper's Twitter was also hacked and the Westboro Baptist Church's website was taken down. Anonymous claimed responsibility for both via the @YourAnonNews account. @YourAnonNews is also asking followers to sign a petition against Westboro's tax-exempt status. Because of its status as a religious entity, the Westboro Baptist Church is able to avoid paying taxes. A post on the White House's "We the People" online petition forum explains the petition: "The Westboro Baptist Church is better-known for homophobic displays, suing people and picketing funerals than for providing Christian care to a community. Due to their harassment and politicking, their IRS tax-exempt status should be immediately investigated." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/westboro-baptist-church-hacked-anonymous-protest-newtown-shooting-victims-funerals_n_2315070.html

DesideriScuri -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:29:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: tazzygirl Hacking is criminal. Taking down a site is limiting speech quote: Phelps-Roper's Twitter was also hacked and the Westboro Baptist Church's website was taken down. Anonymous claimed responsibility for both via the @YourAnonNews account. @YourAnonNews is also asking followers to sign a petition against Westboro's tax-exempt status. Because of its status as a religious entity, the Westboro Baptist Church is able to avoid paying taxes. A post on the White House's "We the People" online petition forum explains the petition: "The Westboro Baptist Church is better-known for homophobic displays, suing people and picketing funerals than for providing Christian care to a community. Due to their harassment and politicking, their IRS tax-exempt status should be immediately investigated." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/17/westboro-baptist-church-hacked-anonymous-protest-newtown-shooting-victims-funerals_n_2315070.html Can it be proven that Anonymous was behind the site being down? If not, how can Anonymous be held liable? If it can, then that can not be supported.

tazzygirl -> RE: Westboro strikes again... or silencing what offends us. (12/17/2012 8:31:41 AM)
They said they did. What more proof do you want?

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