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Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the polic... - 12/18/2012 7:56:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I decided to start thread 1,000,0001 {related to guns/gun control}---if there is a thread on this please let me know.
I am tired so I hope I make sense.

SimplyMichael mentioned on one of the 50 threads he has recently started, that liberals normally don't trust the police.

Question: For those that would LOVE strict gun control, I mean very, very, strict gun control.
Do you totally TRUST the police/"the man"/ and the government to protect you if/when you need protection?
Don't most people that own guns {other than collectors and hunters} own them for the reason of protecting themselves?

I would like those that own guns on here, or are strong components of NOT changing any of the gun laws, to tell me WHY they own guns, and WHY they feel so strongly about having their current freedoms.

I assume that those strongly Pro gun control feel very confident in the ability of their local police department/"the man", and the federal government to "protect" them in their hour of need.

Another question here is, "Who is responsible for protecting Joe Citizen?"

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 7:59:54 PM   
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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:03:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Well, hell, you didnt leave room for me.


lol, I want to add I live in good ole VA, and many. many, citizens have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. {in their cars, etc.}

Most people ain't carrying concealed weapons, thinking the police can do a better job of protecting them.

New law to allow concealed guns in bars and restaurants

I see a lot of threads about guns in the homes, guns locked up, but I don't see many chatting about carrying a concealed weapon.

Many, many are carrying in good ole VA.


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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:08:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nope, I agree. Gun permit applications here almost doubled Monday. Everyone stated it was in response to the Sandy Hook event.

I still support making gun owners responsible.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:11:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		or are strong components of NOT changing any of the gun laws, to tell me WHY they own guns, and WHY they feel so strongly about having their current freedoms.

I'm sort of a liberal although I fear that makes me sound like a democrat. I don't own a gun. I'm avidly in favor individual rights over the rights of the state. So my stance is simply a principled one of demanding to see some sort of remotely plausible line of reasoning before I agree to carve away at the rights of individuals. I feel strongly because it's my freakin FREEDOM we're talking about... even if it's a particular nook of it that I have no intention of exercising. So far I have not seen anything compelling or scientific that makes me think removing this freedom is warranted.

And no, I don't think the cops are going to do jack shit when I need help. So if I need protecting it's going to be me or a neighbor. I just don't currently assess a firearm as being needful to protect me and mine. In point of fact it's the cops more than anyone that I worry about needing protection FROM so a weapon isn't really going to help me anyway.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:11:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		tazzy, I noticed sales of guns appear to be up since Friday.

by the way, you can start thread 1,000,002.
lol

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:13:04 PM   
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quote:

And no, I don't think the cops are going to do jack shit when I need help. So if I need protecting it's going to be me or a neighbor. I just don't currently assess a firearm as being needful to protect me and mine. In point of fact it's the cops more than anyone that I worry about needing protection FROM so a weapon isn't really going to help me anyway.


Thank you for using the phrase "jack shit".
--will use phrase "jack shit" more in 2013.
Something about that phrase, does it for me.
Great post.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:20:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, I don't trust the govt/police/etc to keep me safe. That's my job and I never hired anyone else to do it.

You asked about reasons for owning guns. Same as any other tool - they're useful. Protection (from violent people/animals), hunting (for myself, probably only to be necessary if I get into a survival situation), sport (target practice). Guns are some of the most useful tools a competent person can own. Properly kept, any gun I owned would just be another tool of mine, and would never be used to cause harm to others. Neither would any of my knives, or my baseball bat, or any other potentially dangerous thing I owned.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:20:48 PM   
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tazzy, I noticed sales of guns appear to be up since Friday.

by the way, you can start thread 1,000,002.
lol


LOL

No thanks, burning out on the multiple threads already.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:21:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Marini
quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Well, hell, you didnt leave room for me.

lol, I want to add I live in good ole VA, and many. many, citizens have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. {in their cars, etc.}
Most people ain't carrying concealed weapons, thinking the police can do a better job of protecting them.
Virginia.concealed.com
I see a lot of threads about guns in the homes, guns locked up, but I don't see many chatting about carrying a concealed weapon.
Many, many are carrying in good ole VA.


One of the reasons CCW isn't talked about much, is that a law-abiding CCW wouldn't have been carrying in a school anyway. They'd have had to go get their firearm and return to be able to do anything. There would have been no impact on the situation.

There is, however, a thread that is supporting armed volunteers in schools. A thread I was reading on Facebook mentioned using retired LEO's; already trained, and experienced.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:29:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im very progun.

It my responsibility to take care of my self. the school shooting that scared me the most happen in the 70s at Kent State. I have my guns for fun hunting and protection. and because its my right.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:30:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mari, guns are tools for making things dead. I own a couple, just for that purpose.

I wouldn't expect the cops to come kill a rattlesnake in my yard, and I certainly don't want animal control to come and relocate it.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:31:09 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: adx

Im very progun.

It my responsibility to take care of my self. the school shooting that scared me the most happen in the 70s at Kent State. I have my guns for fun hunting and protection. and because its my right.


Thanks for the reply, I like to hear why people WANT their guns, straight up.
I know many don't own guns to keep behind a glass case, or for hunting, thank you.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:32:05 PM   
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I agree with Jeff.

I do not own a gun. I think that I am too stupid and clumsy to have a gun. Though I did have a rifle when in the army: point, wait until the helmet dropped before my eyes, blinding me, shoot, and see what part of the target I hit. (I did hit the target, always.) So the shooting is not the problem for me. My problem is the tediousness of cleaning the weapon. And of course evaluating if it would be appropriate to use a gun. I think that I do better to let other people handle the guns.

But I do think that responsible citizens ought to have the right to own guns, and if not, they had better own them illegally.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:32:19 PM   
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Mari, guns are tools for making things dead. I own a couple, just for that purpose.


Thanks Rich, I get tired of reading/hearing so many state they own "guns" to keep locked behind a case the majority of the time, OR only for hunting.

Thanks

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:41:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini
Question: I would like those that own guns on here, or are strong components of NOT changing any of the gun laws, to tell me WHY they own guns, and WHY they feel so strongly about having their current freedoms.


I do not currently own any guns. I have considered it, but have found other uses for the money I would have spent on a firearm. If I were to own a handgun, it would be legal, and I'd have my CCW. I would have a gun pretty much only for protecting my property, those I hold dear, and myself. My boys and I would learn how to shoot a gun safely, and would practice so we would have some semblance of ability.

quote:

I assume that those strongly Pro gun control feel very confident in the ability of their local police department/"the man", and the federal government to "protect" them in their hour of need.


Unless you have a cop with you at all times, you will be vulnerable. Now, if you know ahead of time that you are going to be robbed, raped, attacked, etc., then, by all means, let the cops know ahead of time and be protected.

quote:

Another question here is, "Who is responsible for protecting Joe Citizen?"


Like I said, cops can't protect everyone at once. If there is some asshat thief breaking into my house and some turf war on the other side of the city, do you think they'd be able to be both places? Plus, any situation where it would be in my benefit to have a gun for protection most likely won't be one where the cops would be able to get here in time, unless they were already on patrol nearby. Americans tend to be more spread out, making it more difficult to protect everyone at once. The Police have their limitations, but generally do a fine job with what they are asked to do.


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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:45:38 PM   
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One of the reasons CCW isn't talked about much, is that a law-abiding CCW wouldn't have been carrying in a school anyway. They'd have had to go get their firearm and return to be able to do anything. There would have been no impact on the situation.

There is, however, a thread that is supporting armed volunteers in schools. A thread I was reading on Facebook mentioned using retired LEO's; already trained, and experienced.

I dont watch the news (to find out more) but the ad for the news tonight had a blurb about one school somewhere that already has teachers carrying guns.. Just sayin'

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:48:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks DS, I think it's interesting to hear/read stories of people who own guns/or want to own a gun/ for protection.

I just have not heard or read that directly stated as the primary reason for owning a gun lately.

I live in VA, and when I consider the option/it is only for protection.


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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:51:32 PM   
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I would like those that own guns on here, or are strong components of NOT changing any of the gun laws, to tell me WHY they own guns, and WHY they feel so strongly about having their current freedoms.



I own a gun. A revolver, that was given to me at the age of 18 or 19 by a friend.

I have taken 4 levels of firearms training, years ago, at a community college, taught by a peace officer.

I love target shooting, although it's been many years since I have done it.

Many years ago, I was home sick from work. My (ex) husband was at work. A man starting finagling my front door, trying to open it. I stood with my gun pointed toward the door, and called 911. I called out to the guy just that - "I have a gun pointed at you and 911 on the phone." He left. When the police arrived, the cop smirked at me and said "So you called the police because there was a guy at your door?" Didn't really instill my trust.

Just a few months ago a thuggish looking dude was banging banging BANGING on my door, incessantly, for about 20 minutes. Scared the crap out of me. I said pretty much the same thing - "I have a gun pointed at the door and I'm calling the cops." Turns out he was a dude serving me lawsuit papers from my ex husband. He said he'd put the papers on the porch, and he left.

As a woman living a lone, yes my gun does help me feel safe. When my ex was stalking me, showing up at my work, at my home, making threats, I could not get a restraining order on him. I at least knew if he stormed into my home, I would be protected. It is a horrible feeling, feeling unsafe.

I'm not against gun control, to a point. But I'm not a proponent of removing all guns from all people. I honestly think the "bad guys" are going to just get guns on the black market and still do harm. I am not a fanatic, but can't say I fully trust my government, or that the police can arrive as quickly as necessary.

I'm neither left nor right, politically, if that helps.

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RE: Thread 1,000,001/ Can we trust our government/the p... - 12/18/2012 8:51:49 PM   
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the school shooting that scared me the most happen in the 70s at Kent State.

that is interesting since you werent even born then..

it was a very shameful & shocking event in US history tho..

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