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TinkerHell -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 2:16:38 PM)

If there is an Army of Dradle Grenade tossing Grinches it is my sincere desire that they launch an assault on the sound systems in Malls to put an end to the incessant round of cheerful, chirpy Xmas music that seems to begin earlier and earlier each year. This year the garden section of Home Depot was filled with tacky inflatable Santas and flocked artificial LED trees the second week in November.

I was ready to safe word the 5th time I heard Joy to the World being played at a decibel level that rivaled the level in the pit of a Rammstein concert while waiting for a movie to start at Mall of Georgia a few weeks ago... and I will claim that I was driven insane by the repetitive playing of Frosty the Snowman when I go on a tinsel tossing rampage the next time I go to Kroger to pick up pop tarts and wind up with a Jingle Bell Ear worm.

I will admit that I gnash my teeth everytime a fellow Atheist takes on the Blonde Baby Jesus in the Manger with Santa kneeling at the foot of the gold cradle display that while inevitably tacky is really meaningless as a religious symbol and more a reminder that: THERE ARE ONLY 50 SHOPPING DAYS UNTIL CHRISTMAS or Time to leave your family at Thanksgiving to stand in line at Walmart to buy a crappy TV or to head to your nearly deserted small town center for Small Business Saturday or Get online Cyber Monday to order a coffee maker from Amazon... but none of those things mean that there is a conspiracy against Christmas unless Xmas is nothing more than saying "Merry Christmas" and putting up tacky displays on the town square. A sad statement if you think about what the holiday is supposed to commerate.

When I see Xtians fighting to take back the anniversary of the birth of their lord by speaking out and organizing winter coat drives for the homeless, feeding the poor, and gathering en force to spend time at a Children's Shelter to read to children who won't be spending Xmas morning opening up box after box of useless crap rather than complaining that someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" then I'll be more open to the idea that there is an assault on their religion and their holiday. Until then... Happy Fucking Holidays, Enjoy your Festivus and Merry Christmas to one and all.

Ranty I know but I really want the conspiracy nuts to focus on something meaningful... like the return of blue eyeshadow rather than stupid crap that just helps to fuel the cult of throbbing amygdala victimhood that the right wing has become.


Edited: Oh and the Grinch didn't hate Xmas he had the mistaken idea that all Xmas meant to the Who's was getting stuff until the end when he realized that even without the "things" the Who's in Whoville still welcomed Christmas. Am I surprised that the idiot who wrote the Jew Grinches rant the OP posted missed the point of the story? No, no I'm not.




Moonhead -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 2:20:03 PM)

I honestly think Smith's doing a better job than Tennant, to be honest. Tennant's a fine actor, and was brilliant when he had the material to work with, but a lot of the time he was just stuck camping like a kid's telly presenter with ADHD and a stomach full of e numbers. I like Smith's more measured approach, and the whole "old fart in an inappropriately young body" works a lot better for him than it ever did for Peter Davison...




Moonhead -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 2:22:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

But the looney left have banned Christmas over here! The Mail said so, didn't they?

the dumbarse "oppressed" cwistians wouldnt know the twuth if it gave em a blow job

Could that be why a couple of posters are upset?




epiphiny43 -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 2:24:20 PM)

What a crock. Nobody is attacking Christmas. Official acts and public moneys spent on any particular religious celebration are the offenses people find worth objecting to. Have your creche, at Your church or home. Not on OUR city hall or courthouse. Same with every other people worshiping their own imaginary friend in the sky or angry desert god. Your money, your land, your celebration. Even have a parade, with the proper permits. Just don't expect everyone else to pay for it or make room in public funded spaces for it.
And quit bitching because any one religion isn't allowed to indoctrinate everyone elses kids at school. There are Sunday schools everywhere for indoctrinating the young before they develop the critical thinking to question your superstitions. True prayer will disappear from schools the day they banish tests. The public posturing as groups is banal and indefensible. Even Christ admonishes his followers to pray in private, He being rather allergic to the phoney religiosity of posers and the mildly insane.

Given the history over the last 2 millennium of Christian persecution and killings of Jews and their wars on Islam(with nicely reciprocal efforts there). the claim only Christians are being persecuted is deeply offensive as well as remarkably disingenuous, or astoundingly ignorant. What is objected to presently is irredeemably insecure evangelical Christians attempting to enshrine their latest popular misinterpretations of Scripture in public policy and the legal code. How that differs from attempts to make Sharia public law baffles most thinking citizens. Actual Christians continue to witness their faith in their acts of charity, kindness and love for their fellow humans and the rest of God's creations, not in trying to control everyone else.




Lucylastic -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 2:56:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TinkerHell

If there is an Army of Dradle Grenade tossing Grinches it is my sincere desire that they launch an assault on the sound systems in Malls to put an end to the incessant round of cheerful, chirpy Xmas music that seems to begin earlier and earlier each year. This year the garden section of Home Depot was filled with tacky inflatable Santas and flocked artificial LED trees the second week in November.

I was ready to safe word the 5th time I heard Joy to the World being played at a decibel level that rivaled the level in the pit of a Rammstein concert while waiting for a movie to start at Mall of Georgia a few weeks ago... and I will claim that I was driven insane by the repetitive playing of Frosty the Snowman when I go on a tinsel tossing rampage the next time I go to Kroger to pick up pop tarts and wind up with a Jingle Bell Ear worm.

I will admit that I gnash my teeth everytime a fellow Atheist takes on the Blonde Baby Jesus in the Manger with Santa kneeling at the foot of the gold cradle display that while inevitably tacky is really meaningless as a religious symbol and more a reminder that: THERE ARE ONLY 50 SHOPPING DAYS UNTIL CHRISTMAS or Time to leave your family at Thanksgiving to stand in line at Walmart to buy a crappy TV or to head to your nearly deserted small town center for Small Business Saturday or Get online Cyber Monday to order a coffee maker from Amazon... but none of those things mean that there is a conspiracy against Christmas unless Xmas is nothing more than saying "Merry Christmas" and putting up tacky displays on the town square. A sad statement if you think about what the holiday is supposed to commerate.

When I see Xtians fighting to take back the anniversary of the birth of their lord by speaking out and organizing winter coat drives for the homeless, feeding the poor, and gathering en force to spend time at a Children's Shelter to read to children who won't be spending Xmas morning opening up box after box of useless crap rather than complaining that someone says "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas" then I'll be more open to the idea that there is an assault on their religion and their holiday. Until then... Happy Fucking Holidays, Enjoy your Festivus and Merry Christmas to one and all.

Ranty I know but I really want the conspiracy nuts to focus on something meaningful... like the return of blue eyeshadow rather than stupid crap that just helps to fuel the cult of throbbing amygdala victimhood that the right wing has become.


Edited: Oh and the Grinch didn't hate Xmas he had the mistaken idea that all Xmas meant to the Who's was getting stuff until the end when he realized that even without the "things" the Who's in Whoville still welcomed Christmas. Am I surprised that the idiot who wrote the Jew Grinches rant the OP posted missed the point of the story? No, no I'm not.


I like this...a lot!




Lucylastic -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 3:02:40 PM)

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Lucylastic -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 3:07:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

But the looney left have banned Christmas over here! The Mail said so, didn't they?

the dumbarse "oppressed" cwistians wouldnt know the twuth if it gave em a blow job

Could that be why a couple of posters are upset?

oh more than likely!

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tazzygirl -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 3:14:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tingdatt


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Sadly, this looks suspiciously like a right leaning tantrum. It's news to me that the separation of church and state isn't in the constitution, put it that way.

You mean this separation of church and state?

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Clear something up for me.

You are upset because the Menorah is outside while the Nativity is inside?




Owner59 -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 3:36:10 PM)

The guy is definitely a hater and bitter......about what.... it`s hard to say.

Wow.......this is the very same logic that thinks that "Jews control the banks","Jews control Hollywood","Jews are cheap" or "Jews are good at business"....etc......scary and creepy.

He sounds mittish,in that he`s trying to hard to tell his target audience what he thinks they(fundies) want to hear.

And like Mitt,trying to pander to rich white republicans with myths and insults about poor folks(the 47%),Burt is trying to appeal the least Christian of the Christian community.......cons with false statements and religious bigotry. 




Owner59 -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 3:40:49 PM)

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Couldn`t resist....[:D]




JeffBC -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 3:45:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
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ORIGINAL: tingdatt
this is why christians always feel under attack. because they're the only group it's okay to openly insult or shut down.

Tell that to the Muslims.

I was just thinking that. Man, tingdatt is kind of operating on some other plain of existence. Out of all possible groups that I'd like to be in American culture white & Christian is high on the list. The other two contenders are "rich" and "male" but the male part is becoming pretty problematic.




thishereboi -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:04:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tingdatt


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ORIGINAL: Moonhead


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ORIGINAL: tingdatt
...people only seem to make a big deal about separation of church and state for silly things(holiday displays) when it pertains to Christians.

Got any evidence for that?

look at the previous picture. nativity scenes are regularly banned from public spaces because of their religious nature, but a menorah on the white house lawn is okay?


Why wouldn't it be ok? They have a christmas tree. What's the difference? Maybe when they forbid the tree but keep the menorah you will have a point but until then you are just blowing hot air.




DarkSteven -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:15:39 PM)

I just read that idiot's (Prelutsky's) article. Some salient points:

How is it, one well might ask, that in a Christian nation this is happening?

Gee, separation of church and state says this ain't a Christian nation. Maybe the Founding Fathers didn't consider us to be a Christian nation, despite them being Christians themselves.

But when the overwhelming majority of a country’s population believe Jesus to be their savior, only a darn fool would deny the obvious.

Translation - majority rules, and the hell with minority opinions. We ain't no melting pot. (An odd opinion from a Jew.)

Assimilation wasn’t a threat to anyone; it was what the Statue of Liberty represented.

Nope, freedom and openness to others was what she represented.

What makes them even more obnoxious is that, by and large, the Jews who are leading the crusade against what is, we should never forget, a national holiday, are secular.

This sentence shows that WND doesn't require writing ability from people who support their theology. Content over form. The author here says it's the Jews' fault and then says they really aren't Jews. They're secular Jews. which is some kind of liberal. Right about here, I'd like to see some backup for his statements - does he have any data to back him up?

They’re the pinheads who pretend that “separation of church and state” appears in the Constitution.

No pretense at all. Per Wikipedia, "The First Amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Anti-Semitism is no longer a problem in society; it’s been replaced by a rampant anti-Christianity.

Well, damn. I missed the lynchings, and the burnings of Stars of David in Christians' lawns.

For example, much of the hatred spewed towards George W. Bush had far less to do with his policies than it did with his religion.

No, it really DID have to do with him instituting torture, getting us into two hopeless wars, destroying the US economy, and shredding the Bill of Rights. Please note how he was criticized for this, and the hundreds of millions of other Christians living in the US were not. Even though they're Christians too.

As you may have noticed, they haven’t called Barack Obama any bad names even though he’s kept Gitmo open, extended the Patriot Act and even used drones to kill American citizens.

That's okay. The names that the good Christians have called Obama made up for it.

Seriously, he does have a point here, even if it has nothing to do with his main premise of Christian-hating. Good policy is good whether it comes from a friend or foe. Bad policy too.

These Jewish bigots voiced no concern when Bill Clinton or John Kerry made a big production out of showing up at black Baptist churches or posing with Rev. Jesse Jackson because, again, they understand that’s just politics. They only object to politicians attending church for religious reasons.

First off, don't call me a bigot, you SOB. Second, who objects to a politician attending church, or anyone for that matter? You're entitled to your opinions, but not to your own facts.

My fellow Jews, who often have the survival of Israel heading the list of their concerns when it comes to electing a president, only gave 26 percent of their vote to Bush and roughly 30 percent to Mitt Romney, even though they were clearly far friendlier toward Israel than John Kerry or Barack Obama.

WTF does supporting one Christian over another have to do with the alleged anti-Christian bias of Jews? Since by my definition, Romney is not a Christian, wouldn't this show a pro-Christian bias among Jews?

What’s more, unlike Clinton, who had Yasser Arafat sleeping in the Lincoln Bedroom so often even Monica Lewinsky got jealous, Bush saw to it that the Palestinian butcher was persona non grata at the White House. But if you mention George Bush to most secular Jews, their reaction is to spit first and ask questions later.

Logic is lost. Here the author claims that supporting Israel is somehow being a Christian, and supporting it more is more Christian. Therefore, because Bush was more Christian than Clinton because he supported Israel more, supporting Bush less than Clinton must mean that Jews hate Christians. The author needs to accept that Bush was hated by all liberals for good reason, his Christianity didn't matter, and Jews are permitted to dislike people whose policies they dislike, Christian or no.

I'm quitting here. This clown cannot reason, has nothing to support his statements, and is a whacko.






thishereboi -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:17:24 PM)

"This clown cannot reason, has nothing to support his statements, and is a whacko. "


Yea, that pretty much sums it up. Nicely done Steven.




kalikshama -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:26:43 PM)

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Ben Stein


Check out the Snopes article to see how much of that he actually said: http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/confessions.asp




Politesub53 -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:36:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tingdatt

then admit it. christians are the only religious group it's "politically correct" to attack. same with white males. the liberal mindset demonizes the successful and permanently views them as oppressors, regardless of the reality. no different than the communists.

this is why christians always feel under attack. because they're the only group it's okay to openly insult or shut down.


Yawnssssssss......Same shit different day.




kalikshama -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:38:10 PM)

Special Edition - A Look Back at the War on Christmas

The Daily Show's Special Edition takes a look back at the only war involving cookies and mistletoe.




cordeliasub -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:40:58 PM)

Is it unChristian of me to say that stupid Christians annoy me?




Politesub53 -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:42:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

the dumbarse "oppressed" cwistians wouldnt know the twuth if it gave em a blow job



As a mail reader, can we test your theory Missy. [8D]




DarkSteven -> RE: "It's the Jews are behind the 'War on Christmas'" (12/19/2012 4:49:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: cordeliasub

Is it unChristian of me to say that stupid Christians annoy me?


Well, I spent a bit of cyberink saying that one specific stupid Jew annoyed me...




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