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MariaB -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 2:09:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: VioletViolence

Every time I hear about female supremacy or the gynarchy, I remember this drawing I saw where all the women were tall blonde amazons, who looked pretty much identical and were all dressed in leather dresses with thigh high leather boots and carrying bull whips. The men were all naked and were being forced to build something. I have no clue how anyone could think that situation would be a good idea in reality. @OP, why don't you go talk to some lovely Soith African folks who remember what it was like during apartheid? Ask them how *awesome* it was to be subjugated, forced to work back breaking labour and treated worse than the animals. Athenna is quite correct, only someone who has never experienced discrimination or subjugation could ever fantasize about this being "hot". Slavery, real slavery, was overthrown and outlawed because there is no group/ethnicity/sex in the world that would be blissfully happy and content being treated like shit, used and disposed of.


Are you just speaking to the op or is this message to all those who call themselves 'slaves'?
I don't think this guys fantasy is anymore strange than the thousands of other fantasies we have. I think its strange for him to get such a stern lecture on a site like this!




GivingAwaytoHER -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 2:46:40 AM)

Its not a fantasy. And yes its very strange. :(




MariaB -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 3:08:07 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GivingAwaytoHER

Its not a fantasy. And yes its very strange. :(


It is a fantasy but there is nothing wrong with having a fantasy!




GivingAwaytoHER -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 3:29:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: GivingAwaytoHER

Its not a fantasy. And yes its very strange. :(


It is a fantasy but there is nothing wrong with having a fantasy!



No its not.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 3:54:59 AM)

from Otter (TY):

Gynarchy is a common male driven role reversal fantasy where women take over the world and subjugate males. Stories written around this concept often contain themes of forced feminization, small penis humiliation, women physically growing larger than men, men physically shrinking smaller than women, and males very often being generally given the role of "feminized bimbo" in society.


Sorry OP, women have not taken over the world (yet). Very few men (statistically speaking) have been forcible feminized or humiliated over their penis size. It's still very much 'a man's world.'

That you are *arguing* over this tells everyone reading this thread that you have your head stuck so far up your ass you will never be able to remove it.





SadisticMs2 -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 6:02:50 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GivingAwaytoHER


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: GivingAwaytoHER

Its not a fantasy. And yes its very strange. :(


It is a fantasy but there is nothing wrong with having a fantasy!



No its not.



And the sky isn't blue, right?




RumpusParable -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 9:06:47 AM)

Okay, trying to attack this same problem from another angle because what the hell, sure:

OP, many of the people speaking to you here are or have been in *actual Female Led Relationships*. They have been giving you, both in this thread and in your other one, real-life experience and views about the subject. You are refusing to pay attention to it because the *realities* of FLRs do not fit your *fantasy* of FLRs.

So you know where I'm coming from in responding to you on both this and the other thread, what my blog below is linked about:

I am a dominant female. I have 18 years of being in charge of my closest relationships. Sometimes with those who were subs, sometimes those who were slaves. My husband is my slave.

Ultimately I have final say in anything I want in our relationships: how he looks (hair style/length, clothing choices), his health (that he takes him medicines regularly, what he eats and drinks when and how he exercises), his social life, his work life (he is retiring this year because I told him I wanted him to), his finances (I control the main accounts where all our income goes, paying the bills, and giving him an allowance each month), when and hows of sex, how he spends his free time around the house, etc. He serves me - bathes me when I want him to, shaves my legs, cooks and cleans for me, gives me daily massages, helps me with work and projects when I want, promotes my work, buys me tons of presents, goes out of his way for me as a normal and regular behavior.

What do I do? Control and handle all those things... our money, where we live, where things go in our house, when he or I are to go to a doctor about something; I'm currently working all the details on a major move we're making in the spring; support him in continuing his education and to make opportunities for him in that area; and just generally being in charge of any new situation that comes up for us or making any decision that needs made.

So, yeah, I know what of I speak and the above description is a good example of *one type* of FLR. There are many types.

With that background out there as to where I'm coming from in experience and relationship preferences:

You are totally wrapped in your fantasy and would not at all be able to handle gynarchy as a world structure or even a one-on-one FLR with a dominant woman, IMO. Why? Because dominant women here on CollarMe have been talking to you about *real-life* Female Led Relationships and the views and experiences of those females who run them... and you've not been at all respectful, not at all acknowledging them as superiors (by virtue of vagina or by their real-world knowledge), and have instead actually shown a great deal of disrespect and outright misogyny.

In the last post and this one, you reject female superiority and female's with FLR knowledge because they show again and again the being a dominant woman means they will not be catering to your fantasies, won't take your responsibilities off your shoulders.

Being a slave *usually means more work*. You obey. You make your mistress's life more enjoyable, more comfortable, easier, with less work if she wants to work less, with more joy, with more amusement.

How these things come together in any one relationship vary greatly.

It may mean she works 12hrs a day and you stay home and keep house... which may include anything like housework, raising kids, running the finances (yes, as in, you could be the one to keep the budget, pay the bills, let her know how much money you can both spend this month, etc), etc.

It may mean YOU work 12 hrs a day and she stays home and keeps house. Or she stays home and you work 12hr days PLUS keep house.

It may mean you BOTH work regular hours, share the housework, share the household money, etc.

And lots of other combinations. The only recurring theme: Whether you work or not, whether she works or not, whether she runs the finances or you do, whether you own a cat or not, etc all comes down to what she wants.

Repeating a point I tried to make to you in the other thread, as did others: A mistress may very well feel that the best way to use you as a slave would be to make you keep your job as head of company and hand her the money to kick back and do as she pleases.

And that's how gynarchy would be: Women in charge of the government and their relationships *may* say, "I don't want my husband/slave to work, I want to be the breadwinner"... or they *may* say, "I want my husband/slave to work, because I don't want to be the breadwinner".

See how that works in a Female Led Relationship: Females in charge means males do what they're told. Even and often especially if it doesn't sound enjoyable AT ALL.

Now, "doing as told" may mean, "Honey, come curl up with me while we watch this movie we love and have popcorn tonight!". Or, as the example has been given it may mean, "Hand me the remote, get me a drink and shut the fuck up".

But no, you're disrespect and underlying fantasty-obsession and misogyny are blocking you from seeing that FLR doesn't mean some woman is going to come along and do as you tell her to. Just like the real-life dominant women aren't going to give you what you want because you want it or do as you say here in these threads.

Oh, and submissive ones, too... you DO realize that in a gynarchy you would have to listen to female subs and slaves and do what they tell you to, too, right? Because by your commenting it seems pretty clear you don't get that. You would be BELOW, SUBORDINATE TO female slaves.

So yeah, that's a little glimpse into Female Led Relationships and some realities of what gynarchy would mean for you (as opposed to the fantasies).

Edited to add a final note regarding that other thread and this one: There may be a woman out there that would like the situation you desire of having your work handed over to her, there are all sorts of folks out there. But something that I haven't seen you address anywhere and certainly not here when others have brought up similar questions:

If a woman with this interest comes along, what do you have to offer her? What are you going to do for her? What is she going to be getting out of you and your relationship with her if she agrees and does this? Because you've given no answer as to how you plan on compensating this woman for her time and WORKING A JOB FOR YOU.

Now, I can think of lots of things a male slave can have to offer a female dominant who likes to be the breadwinner in the household. but what do *you* offer?




AthenaSurrenders -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 9:24:20 AM)

[sm=goodpost.gif][sm=goodpost.gif] There you have it OP, straight from your target audience, and very neatly explained.




OttersSwim -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 10:56:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GivingAwaytoHER

Any views about FLRs ???


Yes, you are not ready for one.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 11:05:01 AM)

That made me laugh out loud for real.





OttersSwim -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 11:15:13 AM)

Well, I am not saying that to be snarky. I am saying it because it is patently true based on the OPs purely fantasy-based view of the world. He expresses a desire for a female led world, and then blatantly bashes women with very misogynistic posts that make it clear that he really deep down doesn't believe in the power of women. The sexed up women in pretty much ALL of the gynarchy pablum are totally focused on the male that they are "dominating"...and the male is totally focused not on her, but on himself as well.

The women portrayed by the gynarchy fantasy behave like very selfish and stupid men.




jay1371 -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/22/2012 1:03:08 PM)

The more I read about FLR's the more interested I become. giving a woman control much like RP explained, to me atleast, means that that woman has become your world and your law. Not exactly gynarchy but I'd much rather bow down and serve just one woman anyway.




MariaB -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/23/2012 1:15:14 AM)

Good post RumpusParable. Lets hope the op has been enlightened! I doubt it but I'm sure people like jay benefited from reading it.




evesgrden -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/25/2012 10:16:51 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GivingAwaytoHER

Hi A/all,

Can i know Y/your views about Gynarchy? And how can w/We achieve it? or at least take our part in achieving it?

From our personal lives to general environment??

Thanks


If you want gynarchy in your personal life all you have to do is comply with whatever your girlfriend asks you to do. Just do it.

If you want it in civilization at large, you'll need to find a society that does not believe in human rights but only women's rights.

I would vigorously oppose you by the way. There are women whom I would not trust to take care of a goldfish, and there are men who are far better equipped at making certain decisions than I will ever be. The skills involved in either task have nothing to do with the presence or absence of a penis or vagina. Somehow I don't think having the world run by the Wicked Witch of the West is a good idea under any circumstance, nor would having your business run by Betty Boop?

I don't know what it is you want to know about an FLR.

Rule #1 :She leads.
Rule #2: See Rule #1.

Seriously.. I don't know what it is you want to know.


I have a question for you.

I understand that you like the idea of women being in charge. But what makes you think that women are superior?

You want to change the world, yet there is no evidence to support the notion that women would be better leaders, because we simply don't have any data on women and leadership. You'd have to start with defining what it takes to govern, and then determine whether one sex is unable to demonstrate that skill set as compared to the other sex, with both receiving equal education and coming to the table on equal footing. Getting off on female superiority does not make women superior. Behaving "as if" women are superior does not make them superior; it's just like slavery in d/s. People behave "as if" they were Master/slave, but in this country the slave can walk out any time they choose without fear for life or limb.

Why do you want gynarchy? besides getting your jollies from it I mean, and there's nothing wrong with getting off on it, but you're now putting it into the political realm and the non-consensual realm. That's a whole other ball game. You want to take away the rights of men; you want to take away rights from men who want to keep their rights. I figure you should be able to be make one hell of a compelling argument as to why that's a good idea.

And if you really want to accomplish it, you need data, not opinion, and I can tell you right here and now, you will not be able to come up with facts to support your argument (but I welcome your desire to try).




GivingAwaytoHER -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/25/2012 10:53:11 PM)

Ma'am,

i thank You very much for Your detailed and kind reply. Your message has cleared a lot of things.

Would You mind explaining Your last point. with regard to "what i have to offer Her...".

Thanks again.




RumpusParable -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 12:30:43 AM)

Basically as it sounds. What does she get out of being with you? What do you plan on doing for her? What are you offering to her that will make it worthwhile to be in a relationship with you? What is going to compensate her for taking over your business? How are you going to serve?




MistressSyMoane -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 2:54:07 AM)

This may be a dumb question but, what is Gynarchy?




DarkSteven -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 4:05:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: jay1371

The more I read about FLR's the more interested I become. giving a woman control much like RP explained, to me atleast, means that that woman has become your world and your law. Not exactly gynarchy but I'd much rather bow down and serve just one woman anyway.


jay, that's exactly it. A sub is required to serve his/her Dom/me. And that's it. How's your Domme going to feel if you try to serve ALL women who call themselves Dommes?




JeffBC -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 10:57:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
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ORIGINAL: jay1371
The more I read about FLR's the more interested I become. giving a woman control much like RP explained, to me atleast, means that that woman has become your world and your law. Not exactly gynarchy but I'd much rather bow down and serve just one woman anyway.


jay, that's exactly it. A sub is required to serve his/her Dom/me. And that's it. How's your Domme going to feel if you try to serve ALL women who call themselves Dommes?

OK, for the sake of this conversation I agree. But I always like to point out that not everyone slices the pie this way. Carol serves the whole world. How that makes me "feel" is "happy I have such a generous and helpful soul as a wife" and what it makes me think is that she is "socially submissive" or "submissive by default.". Of course she submits to me a lot more than to everyone else... Usually... But the whole world is not made up of "I submit only to one" type people. I find people like Carol to be much more common at MAsT meetings and almost maligned online.




myotherself -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 11:14:00 AM)

I will "kind of" agree with Jeff here.

I like to please people. I'm usually the one at events offering round the drinks and giving up my seat to someone who looks to be in need of it. It gives me pleasure to make people smile.

Do I think I'm completely submissive? I don't think so, because there are people I would happily say 'sod off' to if they asked me for something. While I tend to suffer fools gladly, I don't suffer fuckwits at all. And if pushed, I will explain their fuckwittery to them. In detail, and at great length (and volume).

I am slave to only one man, and that's the way we like it. It's not 24/7 fantasy role-play M/s, it's purely real-life. Which is far, far better [:D]




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