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merge9 -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 12:16:52 PM)

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This may be a dumb question but, what is Gynarchy?


Seeing how this was answered in post 2 and several times throughout the thread, I can't help but wonder how much of the thread you read before asking this question.



JeffBC -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 12:39:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: myotherself
Do I think I'm completely submissive? I don't think so, because there are people I would happily say 'sod off' to if they asked me for something.

For my money anyone who says they are completely dominant or completely submissive is talking about the "BDSM D/s" thing that I don't really understand that well. In the social sense we all have both. Saying that Carol is submissive by default only indicates her starting position in any situation. Enough asshattery and she can be pushed into a much more dominant stance... just as I can be pushed into a submissive stance with enough of the right sort of pressure.

My point remains. I see a LOT more "socially submissive" or "submissive by default" slaves at the MAsT meetings I've gone to than online. Online the preponderance seems to be socially dominant personalities that submit for reasons that seem sufficient to them inside the context of their primary relationship -- "I submit only to one." Anything else is considered "weak" or a "doormat". I disagree. It's one of the reasons I half-joke that "The only thing not acceptable in BDSM is dominance and submission."

That being said, I don't want Jay to get off on some wrong track here. This is me peering behind the curtain of the words "dominance" and "submission". It's not meant to be some sort of guidance.



stef -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 3:54:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressSyMoane

This may be a dumb question but, what is Gynarchy?

Perhaps this will help.



VioletViolence -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/26/2012 9:35:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: VioletViolence

Every time I hear about female supremacy or the gynarchy, I remember this drawing I saw where all the women were tall blonde amazons, who looked pretty much identical and were all dressed in leather dresses with thigh high leather boots and carrying bull whips. The men were all naked and were being forced to build something. I have no clue how anyone could think that situation would be a good idea in reality. @OP, why don't you go talk to some lovely Soith African folks who remember what it was like during apartheid? Ask them how *awesome* it was to be subjugated, forced to work back breaking labour and treated worse than the animals. Athenna is quite correct, only someone who has never experienced discrimination or subjugation could ever fantasize about this being "hot". Slavery, real slavery, was overthrown and outlawed because there is no group/ethnicity/sex in the world that would be blissfully happy and content being treated like shit, used and disposed of.


Are you just speaking to the op or is this message to all those who call themselves 'slaves'?
I don't think this guys fantasy is anymore strange than the thousands of other fantasies we have. I think its strange for him to get such a stern lecture on a site like this!



I was speaking to the OP specifically. If it gets someone's rocks off to call themselves "slave", fine. But what this guy is doing, is forcing his fantasy on EVERYONE, no matter if they want to participate or not. To allow a single person the right to choose the title of slave is one thing, everyone has personal autonomy and can decide what makes them happiest. To dictate to an entire section of people what they should be because it gets YOU off, not cool in a million years.



GivingAwaytoHER -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 2:16:38 AM)

i seek apology from all WOMAN here whom i have showed arrogance.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY MISBEHAVIOR!

i am extremely sorry.




Zonie63 -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 2:32:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MistressSyMoane

This may be a dumb question but, what is Gynarchy?



I always thought it referred to a government run by gynecologists. [;)]



herworshipper -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 3:01:43 AM)

As far as I understand it, gyarchy is a society run by women. Rather than treating the question "What is gynarcy" as foolish, I would be curious to read what different people have to say and see if we are all talking about the same thing.

I am, however, with the person who says that they do not want to live in a society where they are oppressed. I do not think anyone wants this on a full time basis.

Although I think that submission can be sexy under the right circumstances, I do not like submitting to someone that I do not feel submissive to just because society is built that way. And yes, I have had to do that before. It's called working for a living. In jobs, we all have situations where we have to just do what we are told, even if the boss is foolish and ugly :) Yes, even sometimes when we know damn well that Boss is making a bad decision, but he/she won't listen.



GivingAwaytoHER -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 4:08:43 AM)

i seek apology from all WOMAN here whom i have showed arrogance.

PLEASE FORGIVE ME FOR MY MISBEHAVIOR!

i am extremely sorry.



stef -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 10:37:33 AM)

You should post that a few more times so we all know just how sincere you are. [img]http://www.inertdomain.com/images/rolleye.gif[/img]



JeffBC -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 11:35:46 AM)

Good first step.

Now... you've got two issues in play:

A) Gynarchy
The bottom line here is that we all support your right to have whatever you want in your life. The moment you try to impose it on the rest of us it becomes not just stupid but downright evil. Pretty much all of us will oppose you vigorously including the vast majority of female dominants. For me personally, I like the idea that there are some "natural born leaders" and a lot of natural followers. But I'd rather let that shake out how it does rather than try to enforce any particular thing. The idea that "following" and "leading" correlates tightly with gender is, to my knowledge, unsupported by fact and the only thing that even come close to a plausible "theory" in that space would put men in charge.

B) Female Led Relationships
I think the female dominants have already given you a pretty good education on that. It is certainly feasible and healthy for you to have expectations going into a relationship. Any sane person would. But you need to understand that a dominant personality is absolutely going to have their own expectations too and the general idea is that your expectations mold more to theirs than the other way around. So instead of saying all the stuff you want to force onto your "dominant female" you might consider thinking of them in terms of "things you can offer" which she may or may not be inclined to take you up on. To use the specific example... You have a business. If someone owns you then they own the business too. Given that they own you and the business both it's pretty much up to them how they use those two things.

Oh, and as an aside... what have we all gotten wrong here about that business? Because as many have noted, just dumping a CEO slot on someone doesn't sound particularly sane. In fact, it's pretty damned cold hearted in a lot of ways. Are we getting something wrong in that?



naughtynick81 -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 12:50:46 PM)

I think in many ways, we're already living in a gynarchy in the western world without BDSM being in the picture.

The dating world revolves around women and political correctness seems to favour women over men when it comes to gender. Patriarchy is just a thing in the past in the western world these days. But there is one exception, the religious nutters.




Marc2b -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 1:07:59 PM)

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Can i know Y/your views about Gynarchy?


I, for one, am opposed.

But... whatever fantasy gets it up for you.



searching4mysir -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 1:21:19 PM)

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The dating world revolves around women and political correctness seems to favour women over men when it comes to gender.


Men had to jump through a lot more hoops to get some pussy 70 yrs ago.



naughtynick81 -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 1:35:28 PM)

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Men had to jump through a lot more hoops to get some pussy 70 yrs ago.


Men are still expected to jump at least a 1000 hoops to get pussy. It's laughable to say that any man can easily get sex. Women are way overprivileged in the dating world these days.

They pretty much have it all. But yet plenty still remain dissatisfied even though they have the opportunities that men can only wish for.

I wont generalise but there are plenty who are like this. In many cases, it's like trying to please a spoilt child who already has all the privileges. Can you see the outcome?

Sorry to say, but I find it hard to respect these women.

Considering the massive amount of privilege women have in the dating world, this causes too many of them to have uppity self important narcissistic attitudes. Their egos are writing checks that their body can't cash.



nameonhold -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 2:16:29 PM)

Are you kidding ? Complete Gynarchy has already been achieved !

In real life .... everyday .... here in the great State of New Hampshire .... beginning on January 1, 2013 ..... we will be the very first state in the entire nation to have a female governor and a 100% female congressional delegation.

I'm on my knees already.



VideoAdminChi -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 3:36:18 PM)

Alrighty then.

Let's all take a deep breath and return to the topic, which is Gynarchy and Female Led Relationships.

ETA - I see a number of violations on this thread, and so am locking it for cleanup.



MsLadySue -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 3:37:49 PM)

Yes Ma'am.



VideoAdminChi -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 5:53:10 PM)

FR,

This thread is now unlocked. I have removed numerous personal attacks (and the replies to them) from this thread. If a poster repeatedly inspires you to make a personal attack or otherwise gnash your teeth, please avail yourself of the Hide button.



NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 7:17:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: nameonhold
here in the great State of New Hampshire .... beginning on January 1, 2013 ..... we will be the very first state in the entire nation to have a female governor and a 100% female congressional delegation.


Excuse me, but that's not quite right. In my home state of Washington, our 17th Governor was Dixie Lee Ray from January 12, 1977, to January 14, 1981.

The very first woman to act as a U.S. Governor was Carolyn B. Shelton who served as "acting governor" of Oregon for one weekend – 9 a.m. Saturday, February 27, through 10 a.m. Monday, March 1, 1909. The outgoing governor, George Earle Chamberlain, had been elected to the Senate and had to leave for Washington, D.C., before his term was over, and the incoming governor, Frank W. Benson, had gotten sick and couldn't assume office early. Chamberlain left Shelton, his "Chief of Staff," in charge for the weekend.

NBMG



littlewonder -> RE: GYNARCHY (12/27/2012 8:55:45 PM)

If you're a man and you have to jump through even one hoop to get laid, then I'd say you have no clue what you are doing.



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