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slvemike4u -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 3:08:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BamaD quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I dont know how to enforce it, but the idea is gaining ground elsewhere besides collarme. D C and Ca already have these plans and they have gotten people killed Sorry to say this but what passes as acceptable to pro gun folks just doesn't seem acceptable to the rest of us. Every time you guys say"have gotten people killed" I wonder just where the fuck those people have been. The current state of affairs is certainly getting a lot of people killed,no? Why should we,the public,accept those losses ? How many deaths do you envision new regulations "causing" ? I would have an issue with any suggestion that says the number would be comparable to the current death rate.

slvemike4u -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 3:17:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminTheta Per Alpha: She will be reviewing the consolidation thread and may be making some changes in some of the threads that were consolidated, sometime today. Thank you Theta Damm,my "7 threads" thing was just a joke...seriously. I had no issue with the consolidation,none at all...as a matter of fact it is all one conversation,even if a bit far flung. Oh well...I have every confidence Alpha will do what's best,after all she is "Alpha",no more needs to be said [:)]

Kirata -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 3:55:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u gun carnage must be slowed down,which means tightening up access to guns. That is plain and simple to anyone who is not guilty of bias in this discussion. I'm afraid what's "plain and simple" to those "not guilty of bias" isn't what you think. The United States has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world - by far. And it has the highest rate of homicides among advanced countries. And yet, gun crime has been declining in the U.S. Firearm murders are down, as is overall gun violence - even as gun ownership increases... the rate of gun murder is at its lowest point since at least 1981 ~Source K.

meatcleaver -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:17:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u gun carnage must be slowed down,which means tightening up access to guns. That is plain and simple to anyone who is not guilty of bias in this discussion. I'm afraid what's "plain and simple" to those "not guilty of bias" isn't what you think. The United States has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world - by far. And it has the highest rate of homicides among advanced countries. And yet, gun crime has been declining in the U.S. Firearm murders are down, as is overall gun violence - even as gun ownership increases... the rate of gun murder is at its lowest point since at least 1981 ~Source K. Gun crime is going down but gun crime is still huge in the USA. When confectionary can be banned for being dangerous to children, it is ironic the same country doesn't see gun crime and gun accidents which results in a couple of hundred child (under 11) deaths per year, as not being dangerous enough to ban guns.

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:24:11 PM)
I have seen people spot some really dumb shit on these boards, but comparing a chocolate candy with a toy inside (choking risk) with a gun takes the cake.

stef -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:31:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people spot some really dumb shit on these boards, but comparing a chocolate candy with a toy inside (choking risk) with a gun takes the cake. Considering the source, it's hardly surprising.

meatcleaver -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people spot some really dumb shit on these boards, but comparing a chocolate candy with a toy inside (choking risk) with a gun takes the cake. The really dumb thing is, that a chocolate confection is deemed more dangerous than guns! That must be a world first!

Powergamz1 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:45:34 PM)
On what planet is that happening? Because here on Earth it is the plastic toy choking hazard that is the concern, not the chocolate confection... Each year, more than 17,000 infants and children are treated in hospital emergency departments for choking-related incidents, and more than 80 percent of these occur in children aged four years and younger. Airway obstruction death and injury are especially prevalent in children under age four due to anatomy (small airway), natural curiosity and tendency to put objects in their mouths, and incomplete chewing. http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/choking-1 quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people spot some really dumb shit on these boards, but comparing a chocolate candy with a toy inside (choking risk) with a gun takes the cake. The really dumb thing is, that a chocolate confection is deemed more dangerous than guns! That must be a world first!

meatcleaver -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:50:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 On what planet is that happening? Because here on Earth it is the plastic toy choking hazard that is the concern, not the chocolate confection... quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people spot some really dumb shit on these boards, but comparing a chocolate candy with a toy inside (choking risk) with a gun takes the cake. The really dumb thing is, that a chocolate confection is deemed more dangerous than guns! That must be a world first! OK The plastic toy hazard which hasn't killed a child yet, (I googled) is deemed more dangerous than guns which kill around 200 children (under 11) per year. That must be a world first.

vincentML -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:53:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kirata quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u gun carnage must be slowed down,which means tightening up access to guns. That is plain and simple to anyone who is not guilty of bias in this discussion. I'm afraid what's "plain and simple" to those "not guilty of bias" isn't what you think. The United States has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world - by far. And it has the highest rate of homicides among advanced countries. And yet, gun crime has been declining in the U.S. Firearm murders are down, as is overall gun violence - even as gun ownership increases... the rate of gun murder is at its lowest point since at least 1981 ~Source K. The decline in firearm murders has not been a straight line. The peak in 1931 was almost as high as the peak in 1974 and in 1981. The nadir was reached in 1961. Thereafter it climbed sharply to the Reagan peak in 1981. It fell again in the late 80s and rose again in 1992 to match the top in 1981. If there is an inverse correlation we would have to see a graph for gun ownership over those same decades to make a judgment. Inferring causal or correlative relationships in dynamic social systems is fraught with uncertainty. Source

cloudboy -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 4:57:52 PM)
Good. It's my view that the initiator of a thread should bear the responsibility to keep it on track and move it along. By throwing everything into a catch-all, that becomes impossible. For instance this consolidated thread has been dominated by a few posters from pp. 4-11. I'd prefer some kind of alternative discussion. What I want to discuss: The NRA's Friday Press conference --- I see no point in putting in this catch all category. The old thread on this theme by slavemike, was locked. I would also like to start a thread on the utility and upside of automatic, assault weapons that justifies their downside. How exactly does America benefit from distributing these weapons to the general population?

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 5:24:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: Powergamz1 On what planet is that happening? Because here on Earth it is the plastic toy choking hazard that is the concern, not the chocolate confection... quote: ORIGINAL: meatcleaver quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 I have seen people spot some really dumb shit on these boards, but comparing a chocolate candy with a toy inside (choking risk) with a gun takes the cake. The really dumb thing is, that a chocolate confection is deemed more dangerous than guns! That must be a world first! OK The plastic toy hazard which hasn't killed a child yet, (I googled) is deemed more dangerous than guns which kill around 200 children (under 11) per year. That must be a world first. Every five days, a child in the United States chokes to death while eating. Even more children die after swallowing items like balloons and small toys.

Politesub53 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 5:40:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Every five days, a child in the United States chokes to death while eating. Even more children die after swallowing items like balloons and small toys. So thats okay then..........lets just ignore all these massacres instead of doing something about it. [8\|]

tazzygirl -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 5:46:13 PM)
quote: OK The plastic toy hazard which hasn't killed a child yet, (I googled) is deemed more dangerous than guns which kill around 200 children (under 11) per year. That must be a world first. I have heard 7, though I only found two actual names.

jlf1961 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 5:58:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Every five days, a child in the United States chokes to death while eating. Even more children die after swallowing items like balloons and small toys. So thats okay then..........lets just ignore all these massacres instead of doing something about it. [8\|] Actually I was pointing out that choking routinely kills children, I was not making a fucking statement for or against gun control, for christ's sake

SimplyMichael -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 6:32:55 PM)
Its pretty well established that crime and violence is closely correlated to youth and poverty. So rising and falling crimes rates used without also looking at the rise and fall of the peak of young men is meaningless for either side.

LizDeluxe -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 7:31:21 PM)
As I recall, the Zimmerman thread was essentially born out of one poster's indiscriminate barrage of leftist threads about the topic. Even the people that agreed with him were tiring of his antics While it is true that many gun threads popped up in the wake of the Sandy Hook shooting, they were by different posters and many were from different angles. Not the same situation. Where were you folks when that Brain dude was on his crusade?

Powergamz1 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 7:31:21 PM)
All what massacres of children aged 1 to 5? Ignoring is what you've done to every single post offering up rational, scientific, and useful proposals for discussion. quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Every five days, a child in the United States chokes to death while eating. Even more children die after swallowing items like balloons and small toys. So thats okay then..........lets just ignore all these massacres instead of doing something about it. [8\|]

Powergamz1 -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 7:34:07 PM)
They say that to someone with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Apparently to some posters, everything looks like an opportunity to fling strawmen. quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Politesub53 quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Every five days, a child in the United States chokes to death while eating. Even more children die after swallowing items like balloons and small toys. So thats okay then..........lets just ignore all these massacres instead of doing something about it. [8\|] Actually I was pointing out that choking routinely kills children, I was not making a fucking statement for or against gun control, for christ's sake

TheHeretic -> RE: All things gun control go here (12/22/2012 7:37:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe Where were you folks when that Brain dude was on his crusade? Wishing they had a per day post limit. Zimmerman got so bad that people were posting threads about how bad it was. And there were multiple parties involved, but yes, as here, there was one completely over the edge player.

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