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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 7:15:39 AM   
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On Deporting Piers Morgan: But We Don't Want Him Back!

But there’s a much larger problem. Which is that we really don’t want Piers Morgan back if you do throw him out.

In response to the petition, Jeremy Clarkson, the British Top Gear presenter, added on Twitter: ‘Americans. It took us 40 years to get rid of Piers Morgan. Pleease don’t send him back.’

One reason being that when editor of the Daily Mirror Morgan published some clearly fake photos of British troops abusing Iraqis. That cost him his job and a great deal of whatever goodwill he might have had.

No, I’m afraid you’re stuck with him.


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Uh, the brits dont want him either

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 7:17:26 AM   
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On Deporting Piers Morgan: But We Don't Want Him Back!

But there’s a much larger problem. Which is that we really don’t want Piers Morgan back if you do throw him out.

In response to the petition, Jeremy Clarkson, the British Top Gear presenter, added on Twitter: ‘Americans. It took us 40 years to get rid of Piers Morgan. Pleease don’t send him back.’

One reason being that when editor of the Daily Mirror Morgan published some clearly fake photos of British troops abusing Iraqis. That cost him his job and a great deal of whatever goodwill he might have had.

No, I’m afraid you’re stuck with him.


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Uh, the brits dont want him either


Yep and don't even think of sending him over to us...

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 10:58:27 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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On Deporting Piers Morgan: But We Don't Want Him Back!

But there’s a much larger problem. Which is that we really don’t want Piers Morgan back if you do throw him out.

In response to the petition, Jeremy Clarkson, the British Top Gear presenter, added on Twitter: ‘Americans. It took us 40 years to get rid of Piers Morgan. Pleease don’t send him back.’

One reason being that when editor of the Daily Mirror Morgan published some clearly fake photos of British troops abusing Iraqis. That cost him his job and a great deal of whatever goodwill he might have had.

No, I’m afraid you’re stuck with him.


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Uh, the brits dont want him either


They're smarter than I have given them credit for.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 11:15:01 AM   
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I'd call it a "Freedom of the Press" issue more than of Speech.

Ah - but there will be those "American Exceptionalists" who will claim that Morgan has no "rights" of either "speech" or "press" because he isn't an American - he's just just a Englishman (and therefore a lesser human being compared to an American) employed by an American cable news company.


I don't know if I would read this as being a lesser human being compared to an American. I've often seen where Americans might try to comment or intervene in some overseas situation, and the locals there might want us to butt out of their internal affairs. I don't think it means that they think we're lesser human beings, but just outsiders who may not be able to truly understand the situation as the local inhabitants do.

But, I don't think this constitutes any basis for deportation, since visitors to the U.S. do have freedom of speech and press. I think at some point in the past, they could deport non-citizens if they were deemed unfriendly to the United States, although I'm not sure if they can do that today. Maybe they still can. I vaguely remember John Lennon winding up on Nixon's enemies list and facing possible deportation, but I don't know if anything like that has happened recently.










Not sure if anyone else has come along and commented on this,but Lennon's deportation proceedings were certainly politically based they were,in fact grounded in solid bedrock law.
Lennon had drug possession convictions on his record and those were the grounds used to support the deportation process

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 2:39:47 PM   
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For any and all of you foreigners who just love to run your mouths about the USA I tell you this... You all just holler for us next time the Germans and Japs come over the hill.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 3:09:40 PM   
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I'd edit that while you still can, mate: personal abuse is a TOS violation the mods have been known to ban or suspend people over.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 3:50:30 PM   
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For any and all of you foreigners who just love to run your mouths about the USA I tell you this... You all just holler for us next time the Germans and Japs come over the hill.


This sort of ignorance makes me laugh. Try reading a few books on the topic.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 4:10:00 PM   
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For any and all of you foreigners who just love to run your mouths about the USA I tell you this... You all just holler for us next time the Germans and Japs come over the hill.


This sort of ignorance makes me laugh. Try reading a few books on the topic.



Without the lend lease aid the US was sending to Britain before we actually were attacked, how fucking long would you have lasted against Germany, BEFORE starving to death?

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 4:14:49 PM   
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A good four years by most reckonings.
It's actually quite difficult to arrange for people to starve to death on an island in the Atlantic, and the way the war was going before the Battle of Britain was abandoned in favour of invading Russia, starvation would have been the least of our problems.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 4:24:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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For any and all of you foreigners who just love to run your mouths about the USA I tell you this... You all just holler for us next time the Germans and Japs come over the hill.


This sort of ignorance makes me laugh. Try reading a few books on the topic.



Without the lend lease aid the US was sending to Britain before we actually were attacked, how fucking long would you have lasted against Germany, BEFORE starving to death?


Lend lease wasnt exactly free was it. The fact remains to suggest America won either war is total bollocks. Everyone recognises your impact but lets cut the crap such as the post i replied to.

By your argument, how long would the War of Independence have lasted without French help for the US ?

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 4:47:52 PM   
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Yes, I'd say legal visitors to the U.S. are entitled to all the rights extended to its citizens.

Do illegal immigrants have those rights?

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 4:49:24 PM   
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Everyone in the United States legally or illegally are protected under the constitution.

As for Morgan, he has pissed people off on both sides of the atlantic, i say we give him to the aussies.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 5:04:41 PM   
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Everyone in the United States legally or illegally are protected under the constitution.


Do legal residents who are not citizens pay taxes?

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 5:11:30 PM   
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Everyone in the United States legally or illegally are protected under the constitution.


Do legal residents who are not citizens pay taxes?

Pam




I dont know that.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 7:05:38 PM   
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Everyone in the United States legally or illegally are protected under the constitution.


Do legal residents who are not citizens pay taxes?

Pam



Taxation of Resident Alien Income

Unlike nonresident aliens, resident aliens are taxed on all forms of income received, whether foreign or domestic, including any payments received from a pension from a foreign government. Resident aliens may claim the foreign earned income exclusion and/or the foreign tax credit if they qualify. However, resident aliens who work for a foreign government in the U.S. may be able to claim an exemption on their wages if the U.S. has a reciprocal tax treaty with the employing government.

Read more: http://www.investopedia.com/articles/tax/11/tax-tips-for-non-residents.asp#ixzz2G7iciEpf

I assumed you meant income tax. Anyone who buys here pays sales tax, ect, except maybe at duty free shops.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 7:29:36 PM   
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Thanks, tazzy. That sounds pretty fair.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 7:41:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Steelonme

For any and all of you foreigners who just love to run your mouths about the USA I tell you this... You all just holler for us next time the Germans and Japs come over the hill.


This sort of ignorance makes me laugh. Try reading a few books on the topic.



Without the lend lease aid the US was sending to Britain before we actually were attacked, how fucking long would you have lasted against Germany, BEFORE starving to death?


Lend lease wasnt exactly free was it. The fact remains to suggest America won either war is total bollocks. Everyone recognises your impact but lets cut the crap such as the post i replied to.

By your argument, how long would the War of Independence have lasted without French help for the US ?



the french didnt start doing crap till we started winning. For most of the revolution we were swinging in the wind

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 8:09:12 PM   
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oh guys,

you are funny.

Couple of thoughts.
"All men are created equal", over time this extended over slavery and womens as rights. So not only white american males.
Now immigration is a whole different law and issue. There is this clause of "good moral character", or a rubber band.
If the immigration Judge considers Morgan not to be "by standards and values" of the american Constitution of such, his ass ist out.
Morgan, involved in the Murdock telefon hacking in the UK is certainly not of good moral character as we would define it.
His 'moral character' is at least questoinable. Further (not related, but important) the President executes the Law, he doesn't make them. By virtue of the Consitution he can not even propose a law to Congress as he isn't a member of it. Whenever I hear anyone beating up the President (blue or red), i ask myself, if these people ever understood how laws are made in the US. there is not ONE example in our history where a President made a law. simply because he doesn't have the power to do so. how could he, if he can't even vote on it? he can only sign a Law or veto it. and by a majority of 2/3 in Congress his veto goes down the drain.
what we hear from the press is simply that those jerks on either aisle do not understand the process of how laws are made in the US or plainly use false statements.

for anyone who comes up with 'exceutive orders', they are an interpretation of the law to run the country. never have they been tested by the Supreme Court.

Oh, I agree girl but not only does our creed stop at the shore but no...all men are no longer created equal...some are created terrorists. I've often thought that if we could track, apprehend all of the terrorists and ship them somewhere foreign or GITMO, (if we don't murder them by drone) why don't we just round up all of the murders, thieves and rapists and get rid of them too ? The logic is inescapable.

The president can and everyone has regularly proposed laws to congress where they vote on them...or not.

Executive orders can never be questioned by the SCOTUS because that would derail our accelerating march to fascism. It was merely an exec. order (11110) that was the last straw and sealed JFK's murder. Jimmy Carter created FEMA with an executive order...congress simply throws $billions a year at it.

So-called 'rights' at one time, were inalienable rights, endowed by our creator, not by govt. and govt. is formed to protect those rights. It's been nice...while it's lasted.


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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/25/2012 8:15:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961


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ORIGINAL: Politesub53


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ORIGINAL: Steelonme

For any and all of you foreigners who just love to run your mouths about the USA I tell you this... You all just holler for us next time the Germans and Japs come over the hill.


This sort of ignorance makes me laugh. Try reading a few books on the topic.



Without the lend lease aid the US was sending to Britain before we actually were attacked, how fucking long would you have lasted against Germany, BEFORE starving to death?


Lend lease wasnt exactly free was it. The fact remains to suggest America won either war is total bollocks. Everyone recognises your impact but lets cut the crap such as the post i replied to.

By your argument, how long would the War of Independence have lasted without French help for the US ?



the french didnt start doing crap till we started winning. For most of the revolution we were swinging in the wind

That's not entirely true as without the French and their earlier involvement, it may have taken much longer if we succeeded at all and we very likely wouldn't have succeeded at Yorktown...the French preventing a British retreat.

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RE: Do Legal Visitors to The USA have "Freedom Of ... - 12/26/2012 3:06:42 AM   
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the french didnt start doing crap till we started winning. For most of the revolution we were swinging in the wind


Try again.

Even Wiki will educate you somewhat.

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