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(*1) funny, how the USA has never been attacked on its own land, so these creatively named "Defense" forces have never been actually used for defense, only for assaulting other nations.

Not true, we had 5 mainland attacks during WW 2, now perhaps not very effective, but attacks none the less...

here is a list and details of all 5

http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-world-war-ii

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A day later, reports of enemy aircraft led to the so-called “Battle of Los Angeles,” in which American artillery was discharged over Los Angeles for several hours due to the mistaken belief that the Japanese were invading.

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ORIGINAL: stef
Ignoring the rest of the stupidity here, if a country declares war against you, you really can't call striking back a "surprise attack". Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack.

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ORIGINAL: Okeanos

The complete wipe-out of entire cities from the map was not known to be within the capabilities of anyone's war machine, and it served no purpose, since the japanese would have surrendered upon learning that the USA had this capability, without requiring a demonstration.

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So, I suppose you are one of those USAians who, even today, feel no shame for what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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ORIGINAL: stef
How could you possibly know what Japan would have done?

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ORIGINAL: stef
I doubt you have any special insight into the emperor's thoughts during that time.

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At any rate, if they would have surrendered after knowing such a device existed, why didn't they surrender after the first bomb was dropped?

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So, I suppose you are one of those USAians who, even today, feel no shame for what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

I suppose only an idiot would make such baseless assumptions, but you seem rather fond of making baseless assumptions.

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Yup, subspaceseven, I stand corrected! Everyone please go over and read all about every single one of those... 5 (yes 5) mainland attacks! The "largest invasion of American soil during World War II" involved 8 (I repeat: eight) spies and it died before managing to blow up even a fire hydrant. I suppose you are joking, aren't you?

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Another option:

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I guess what bugs me most about this analogy is the historical ignorance that it exhibits: when the USA developed the bomb, they did not announce that they did, nor did they demonstrate it by blowing off the top of Mt Fuji or some uninhabited island; instead, they performed two surprise attacks against fleshy targets containing huge numbers of civilians. So, historically, a more apt analogy would be "if you one day go buy yourself a gun, why not go meet that guy you frequently get into fistfights with, and surprise him by blowing his head off?"

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(*1) funny, how the USA has never been attacked on its own land, so these creatively named "Defense" forces have never been actually used for defense, only for assaulting other nations.

Not true, we had 5 mainland attacks during WW 2, now perhaps not very effective, but attacks none the less...

here is a list and details of all 5

http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/5-attacks-on-u-s-soil-during-world-war-ii

Yup, subspaceseven, I stand corrected! Everyone please go over and read all about every single one of those... 5 (yes 5) mainland attacks! The "largest invasion of American soil during World War II" involved 8 (I repeat: eight) spies and it died before managing to blow up even a fire hydrant. I suppose you are joking, aren't you?

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Ignoring the rest of the stupidity here, if a country declares war against you, you really can't call striking back a "surprise attack". Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack.

Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base. 2,386 Americans died, of which about 50 were civilians, most killed by unexploded USAian anti-aircraft shells landing in civilian areas.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed when the outcome of the war had already been determined, under the laughable pretense that the invasion of Japan would cost many USAian lives. (As if someone was twisting USA's arm to invade.) The death toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was 150,000 to 250,000 people, of which the vast majority were civilians, and that's the conservative estimates.

You really should get a clue about the meaning of the term "PROPORTION".

Furthermore, Pearl Harbor was an attack that was absolutely known to be within the capabilities of the Japanese war machine, the USA even suspected it was coming, and it was an inevitable means to start a war which, at that point in time, the governments of both countries could not wait to get into. In other words, it was fair game. (As much as I'd hate to call an act of war a fair game.) The complete wipe-out of entire cities from the map was not known to be within the capabilities of anyone's war machine, and it served no purpose, since the japanese would have surrendered upon learning that the USA had this capability, without requiring a demonstration. Therefore, it was not fair game.

So, I suppose you are one of those USAians who, even today, feel no shame for what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I don't need to bestow any insults upon you about that, you are taking care of it on your own.

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ORIGINAL: stef
Ignoring the rest of the stupidity here, if a country declares war against you, you really can't call striking back a "surprise attack". Pearl Harbor was a surprise attack.

Pearl Harbor was an attack on a military base. 2,386 Americans died, of which about 50 were civilians, most killed by unexploded USAian anti-aircraft shells landing in civilian areas.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki were bombed when the outcome of the war had already been determined, under the laughable pretense that the invasion of Japan would cost many USAian lives. (As if someone was twisting USA's arm to invade.) The death toll of Hiroshima and Nagasaki was 150,000 to 250,000 people, of which the vast majority were civilians, and that's the conservative estimates.

You really should get a clue about the meaning of the term "PROPORTION".

Furthermore, Pearl Harbor was an attack that was absolutely known to be within the capabilities of the Japanese war machine, the USA even suspected it was coming, and it was an inevitable means to start a war which, at that point in time, the governments of both countries could not wait to get into. In other words, it was fair game. (As much as I'd hate to call an act of war a fair game.) The complete wipe-out of entire cities from the map was not known to be within the capabilities of anyone's war machine, and it served no purpose, since the japanese would have surrendered upon learning that the USA had this capability, without requiring a demonstration. Therefore, it was not fair game.

So, I suppose you are one of those USAians who, even today, feel no shame for what happened to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I don't need to bestow any insults upon you about that, you are taking care of it on your own.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You asked for attacks, not successful attacks.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
You asked for attacks, not successful attacks.

So, you consider any one of the incidents described on that page as ATTACKS?

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As for your claim of The "largest invasion of American soil during World War II", you seem to forget the bases the Japanese set up in the Aleutian Islands. Those were American soil and they were invaded and actually held for a period of time.

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Painting the Japanese as some sort of victim is blind ignorance, just ask[...]