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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:09:34 PM   
Hillwilliam


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you're acting obtuse again. Did you actually read that with comprehension?
The admins are not being called children. The site is starting to be run as if THE SITE is kindergarten. As the mods are in charge, that would not make them children.


And yet they have disobedient posters. Would you feel better to be banned every time you step out of line? Thats the favoritism some were speaking about. Is this really what we want?



Who said anything about banned every time you step out of line?
You just said to a new poster "I am sure we are giving her a great first impression... LOL" and you acting totally obtuse is what is generating a lot of it.

How many different but concise ways can someone say "It's an adult site, everyone here must be over 18 by law. Don't treat the people here like kindergarteners. Write the rules down and follow the written rules. Calvinball is for 6 year olds with imaginary tigers, not Mods of an Adult site"?


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:11:20 PM   
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Once again, totally off the point and you really need to stop deliberately doing it. It doesn't paint you in a good light.


Hill, stop trying to brow beat me into your wany of thinking. Its not going to work.

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The one I referred to about starting a new thread after one on the same subject had been deleted because of drama also resulted in a gold letter and I was told it was a TOS violation. It was NOT a violation of written TOS.


No clue what the thread was about... no clue who moderated it. No clue what the letter said.

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Warnings, letters, suspensions of things that are made up and not against written TOS = Bad



And yet, they have that right, yes?

Can we possibly write a TOS that is completely inclusive of everything that may possibly come up at any given point? I dont believe so.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:12:11 PM   
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Holy bat shit, there are tons of people on this site and every other online site that don't clearly or honestly state what they are looking for. Lol




Yeah, I am guilty of that, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Well, here goes nothing, I am looking for girls whos highest attainment of pleasure in  life is love to orally worship my cock.

Hope that was clear enough.  CMail me if I am obtuse here, and you might want to do that but need clarification....

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:12:35 PM   
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Hill, stop trying to brow beat me into your wany of thinking. Its not going to work.


I'm not brow beating, im saying stop acting like you're not intelligent when you are.
You're not going to think the way I am and that's ok. What I'd love to see is for you to stop deliberately misinterpreting what I say.

Im not the only one who is seeing it.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 1/7/2013 2:14:13 PM >

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:13:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		They don't manually approve the photos you upload.
It also states on the upload page not to upload artwork.
It doesn't say artwork that is copyrighted - just artwork.

The three things explicitly stated on the upload page are -

Please only post pictures you took yourself

Please do not post commercial photos or artwork

Please do not post explicit primary photos

To me, to report a violation shouldn't be limited by how many I can do.
And 'commercial' doesn't equate to 'copyrighted' either.
The mods on the other side should have the ability to look at new profiles as they come in and stop the abuse of the ToS as it happens. Not shoot the messenger when they report ToS violations.
Just because it makes a lot of work for the mods, that shouldn't make it 'an abuse of the system'.
If, as you say, they are manually checked, then why have they allowed it's abuse and not stopped those photos being uploaded??
It's there to be used, so why can't they use it - as much as is needed?
What's the point in having such a system if it has very limited use??

Perhaps they don't want the site to be cleaned up.
It seems to me that they are happy to have those violations as long as there aren't too many complaints that give them some work to do to enforce the ToS.


That same sort of mentality is also prevailent on the boards to some extent.
If enough people complain, a post (or thread) is pulled even if it doesn't break ToS.
Yet some really scathing posts are left up.
That's inconsistency.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:13:43 PM   
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Who said anything about banned every time you step out of line?
You just said to a new poster "I am sure we are giving her a great first impression... LOL" and you acting totally obtuse is what is generating a lot of it.


No, Im not acting obtuse, despite your insistence. I see many railing against a system they claim is unfair yet they agree too every time they post.

Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules when, in fact, they are?

Want to change that, then have them change those rules. I would be behind you 100%. But, until that time, you keep agreeing, then you keep smacking them down for not doing exactly what YOU want them to do, when you agree to them doing exactly what the RULES say they can.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:16:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: VideoAdminChi

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For instance, Chi made it clear Nietzsche's ideas on noble/ignoble moralities are only welcome in the Gorean section, which is one of the biggest "wtf?! are you dumb?"-moments in recent moderation history for me. If you're sorting which ideas go where, it's probably a good idea to have some grasp of either the concept or the categories.


You misunderstood me. I was not referring to a general discussion on Nietzsche's views but making personal attacks on posters who favor gun control and identify as slaves. Posts that mentioned Nietzsche were pulled because they quoted a post that required removal; they were fine on their own.


Not this specific situation but the general issue I think is the problem MANY people have at this point.

The rules are not clear.
How those rules are enforced are not clear or done in consistent manner.
So people are unknowingly violating rules.
They are getting your lovely gold emails when as far a they know they have done nothing wrong. Posts get deleted. People get moderated. And if they get an explanation at all it's unclear because the rules they say are violated aren't seen any where or the mods are simply flat out wrong.






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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:17:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: TheLilSquaw

Holy bat shit, there are tons of people on this site and every other online site that don't clearly or honestly state what they are looking for. Lol




Yeah, I am guilty of that, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

Well, here goes nothing, I am looking for girls whos highest attainment of pleasure in  life is love to orally worship my cock.

Hope that was clear enough.  CMail me if I am obtuse here, and you might want to do that but need clarification....


DAMN YOU!
I spit my hot tea!


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:19:11 PM   
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Who said anything about banned every time you step out of line?
You just said to a new poster "I am sure we are giving her a great first impression... LOL" and you acting totally obtuse is what is generating a lot of it.


No, Im not acting obtuse, despite your insistence. I see many railing against a system they claim is unfair yet they agree too every time they post.

Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules when, in fact, they are?


The alternative is to not post. A lot of folks have done just that.

"Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules?"

Damn right I do.

I honestly believe that the way to change the system is to show those in authority that they are NOT in fact following their own rules.

The alternative is silence which equals acceptance or to leave which many have done.

Should collarchat only be populated by the mods and a half dozen ass kissers?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:23:01 PM   
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No clue what the thread was about... no clue who moderated it. No clue what the letter said.


It doesn't matter what it was about, does it? The problem was not the content
It doesn't matter who moderated it, does it? It was a person who has the power to send gold letters.
I posted the exact letter. If you didn't read it, that's not my fault.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:24:11 PM   
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They don't manually approve the photos you upload.
It also states on the upload page not to upload artwork.
It doesn't say artwork that is copyrighted - just artwork.


No, they manually review all photos reported.

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The three things explicitly stated on the upload page are -

Please only post pictures you took yourself

Please do not post commercial photos or artwork

Please do not post explicit primary photos


And, just like on the forums, many do not follow those either.

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To me, to report a violation shouldn't be limited by how many I can do.
And 'commercial' doesn't equate to 'copyrighted' either.


And yet free use isnt necessarily commercial.

Commercial art is the art of creative services, referring to art created for commercial purposes, primarily advertising. The term has become increasingly anachronistic in favor of more contemporary terms such as graphic design and advertising art.

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The mods on the other side should have the ability to look at new profiles as they come in and stop the abuse of the ToS as it happens. Not shoot the messenger when they report ToS violations.


The Admins here are volunteer and often work different sections. Any idea how many photos are uploaded to this system a day?

You claimed to have reported hundreds of photos a day. How long did those reports take you? How many did you verify as being truly commercial art work? How many were free use? How many days did you do this? Since each report is manually reviewed, verified, then decided upon, thats a long, long time. Couple that with just a few posters doing the same... and can you imagine the work load for one or two reviewers? Who are volunteers? How long would you do it?


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:25:30 PM   
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"Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules?"

Damn right I do.


How far is that getting you?

quote:

I honestly believe that the way to change the system is to show those in authority that they are NOT in fact following their own rules.


They are following their own rules... and you agree to them when you post.

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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:26:32 PM   
Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

They don't manually approve the photos you upload.
It also states on the upload page not to upload artwork.
It doesn't say artwork that is copyrighted - just artwork.


No, they manually review all photos reported.

quote:

The three things explicitly stated on the upload page are -

Please only post pictures you took yourself

Please do not post commercial photos or artwork

Please do not post explicit primary photos


And, just like on the forums, many do not follow those either.

quote:

To me, to report a violation shouldn't be limited by how many I can do.
And 'commercial' doesn't equate to 'copyrighted' either.


And yet free use isnt necessarily commercial.

Commercial art is the art of creative services, referring to art created for commercial purposes, primarily advertising. The term has become increasingly anachronistic in favor of more contemporary terms such as graphic design and advertising art.

quote:

The mods on the other side should have the ability to look at new profiles as they come in and stop the abuse of the ToS as it happens. Not shoot the messenger when they report ToS violations.


The Admins here are volunteer and often work different sections. Any idea how many photos are uploaded to this system a day?

You claimed to have reported hundreds of photos a day. How long did those reports take you? How many did you verify as being truly commercial art work? How many were free use? How many days did you do this? Since each report is manually reviewed, verified, then decided upon, thats a long, long time. Couple that with just a few posters doing the same... and can you imagine the work load for one or two reviewers? Who are volunteers? How long would you do it?


You're missing his point Taz. He was moderated for FOLLOWING the rules. He didn't break the rules, all he did was point out violations.

Are you saying that it is not only OK to make up rules, it's OK to punish those who would see the written ones enforced?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:27:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No clue what the thread was about... no clue who moderated it. No clue what the letter said.


It doesn't matter what it was about, does it? The problem was not the content
It doesn't matter who moderated it, does it? It was a person who has the power to send gold letters.
I posted the exact letter. If you didn't read it, that's not my fault.


Regarding the acceptability of various discussion topics - in most cases this will have to be determined based upon the essay in question, the content involved, and its particular form of presentation. Topics which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities.

Even this complaint is covered

Collarme.com Forum Guidelines - 1/12/2004 10:49:40 PM

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:29:35 PM   
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You're missing his point Taz. He was moderated for FOLLOWING the rules. He didn't break the rules, all he did was point out violations.

Are you saying that it is not only OK to make up rules, it's OK to punish those who would see the written ones enforced?


He was sent a cease and desist letter.

quote:

By the time you get to the third or maybe fourth day, you'll get a gold letter to "cease and desist" your activity.


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:29:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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"Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules?"

Damn right I do.


How far is that getting you?

quote:

I honestly believe that the way to change the system is to show those in authority that they are NOT in fact following their own rules.


They are following their own rules... and you agree to them when you post.

If a thread is deleted for repeated violations, anyone here can start a new one just like it as long as the new one stays civilized. Obviously, it worked.

"Their rules" being what? "I make shit up as I go along and fuck with anyone I want to and protect my friends because I'm the goddam BOSS BABY"

Is that the rules?

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:30:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

"Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules?"

Damn right I do.


How far is that getting you?

quote:

I honestly believe that the way to change the system is to show those in authority that they are NOT in fact following their own rules.


They are following their own rules... and you agree to them when you post.

If a thread is deleted for repeated violations, anyone here can start a new one just like it as long as the new one stays civilized. Obviously, it worked.

"Their rules" being what? "I make shit up as I go along and fuck with anyone I want to and protect my friends because I'm the goddam BOSS BABY"

Is that the rules?


Regarding the acceptability of various discussion topics - in most cases this will have to be determined based upon the essay in question, the content involved, and its particular form of presentation. Topics which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities.

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RIP, my demon-child 5-16-11
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Dont judge me because I sin differently than you.
If you want it sugar coated, dont ask me what i think! It would violate TOS.

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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:35:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No clue what the thread was about... no clue who moderated it. No clue what the letter said.


It doesn't matter what it was about, does it? The problem was not the content
It doesn't matter who moderated it, does it? It was a person who has the power to send gold letters.
I posted the exact letter. If you didn't read it, that's not my fault.


Regarding the acceptability of various discussion topics - in most cases this will have to be determined based upon the essay in question, the content involved, and its particular form of presentation. Topics which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities.

Even this complaint is covered

Collarme.com Forum Guidelines - 1/12/2004 10:49:40 PM

That doesnt have a DAMN thing to do with my complaint. The thread in question wasn't about any of that, nor did it mention any of it.

The thread was killed because someone from Idaho was his ususal passive agressive self. This particular poster was very good at starting a thread with an inflamatory OP and when it was shown he was full of crap, he would start passive-agressive trolling in an attempt to get the thread killed.
The thread was killed and he went on a mod assisted vacation so I restarted it. The discussion was proceeding with people on all sides being amazingly civil until it got zapped again.



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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:36:42 PM   
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You're missing his point Taz. He was moderated for FOLLOWING the rules. He didn't break the rules, all he did was point out violations.

Are you saying that it is not only OK to make up rules, it's OK to punish those who would see the written ones enforced?


He was sent a cease and desist letter.

quote:

By the time you get to the third or maybe fourth day, you'll get a gold letter to "cease and desist" your activity.



The cease and desist letter basically said "quit pointing out rulebreakers. We don't want to hear about it"


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RE: The decline of collarme - 1/7/2013 2:38:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


quote:

ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

"Do you honestly believe the way to change anything is to tell the powers that be that they are not following their own rules?"

Damn right I do.


How far is that getting you?

quote:

I honestly believe that the way to change the system is to show those in authority that they are NOT in fact following their own rules.


They are following their own rules... and you agree to them when you post.

If a thread is deleted for repeated violations, anyone here can start a new one just like it as long as the new one stays civilized. Obviously, it worked.

"Their rules" being what? "I make shit up as I go along and fuck with anyone I want to and protect my friends because I'm the goddam BOSS BABY"

Is that the rules?


Regarding the acceptability of various discussion topics - in most cases this will have to be determined based upon the essay in question, the content involved, and its particular form of presentation. Topics which are unacceptable regardless of circumstance include, but are not limited to - pedophilia, bestiality, incest, necrophilia, snuff and criminal activities.

That has absolutely nothing to do with this topic.

Do you advocate the rules of this site being "I make shit up as I go along and fuck with anyone I want to and protect my friends because I'm the goddam BOSS BABY"?

It looks like it.


Again. the TOPIC wasn't the problem.
The behavior of one poster who wasn't around any more was the problem.

< Message edited by Hillwilliam -- 1/7/2013 2:40:33 PM >

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