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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 8:24:18 AM   
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That person's actions led directly to everything that follows.
If they don't publish the gun owners map, nothing else happens that has been described here. Irresponsible actions have consequenses.


I disagree with this. Two wrongs never make a right. While the blogger does have a point, doing what he/she did only reduces them to the level of the journalist they are upset with.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 9:05:53 AM   
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Only if their intent is to score weapons. If not, then those houses will be avoided and the neighbors will be the target.
Even with that, you cant put the blame on anyone for robbing them, even the gun owners. That blame rests solely upon the person doing the robbing, right?


It depends if we're talking about home invasions when the homeowner is present or a burglary when the homeowner is not present. In the home invasion scenario the newspaper's list might actually be a deterrent. For the purposes of the burglar who targets unoccupied homes it's closer to a shopping list if he's looking for guns. They're going to steal stuff from any house they break into. If you aren't home and they think a gun will be included I suspect they'll pick your house before others. The information the paper provided is public but they did make it easier. Why not just compile list everyone's possessions and post them online?








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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 9:44:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

quote:

That person's actions led directly to everything that follows.
If they don't publish the gun owners map, nothing else happens that has been described here. Irresponsible actions have consequenses.


I disagree with this. Two wrongs never make a right. While the blogger does have a point, doing what he/she did only reduces them to the level of the journalist they are upset with.

2 wrongs don't make a right but sometimes the second wrong prevents the first side from committing wrong again and again and again and again and...............

As an example, a bully will keep on tormenting those he deems weaker until he makes a mistake.
That mistake frequently leads to an ex bully.
Was the person who stomped a mudhole in his ass in the right? Possibly not but he certainly prevented a lot of future abuse of those who can't defend themselves.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 10:07:28 AM   
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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 11:26:28 AM   
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Yet no one here, and I mean no one, with the possible exception of the convicts, would less than clap hands in joy if a map of child molesters in your area was available.

So, the points up till then are pretty fuckin puerile.


The points make quite a bit of sense to those who do not equate law abiding gun owners to pedophiles. That's a stretch even for you.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 11:38:33 AM   
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Yet no one here, and I mean no one, with the possible exception of the convicts, would less than clap hands in joy if a map of child molesters in your area was available.

So, the points up till then are pretty fuckin puerile.


The points make quite a bit of sense to those who do not equate law abiding gun owners to pedophiles. That's a stretch even for you.


Add to that, owning a gun is Constitutionally protected.  Pedophillia, not so much.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 11:39:32 AM   
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There are lists of property tax delinquents in the paper (no crime, no civil crime either) list of people affected by curb and gutter assessments, lists of people being married, newborns, you can go down to the local courthouse and ask for near any document on anything for anyone, and they will give it to you, ask for two you got a list, and????????



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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 12:00:16 PM   
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n'est ce pas.  n'est pas means: nothing is impossible, you want: is that not so?


Yet no one here, and I mean no one, with the possible exception of the convicts, would less than clap hands in joy if a map of child molesters in your area was available.

So, the points up till then are pretty fuckin puerile.

They are available. http://www.city-data.com/so/so-Fergus-Falls-Minnesota.html

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 12:46:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am actually finding this really funny. At the begining all these post with NRA solgans "The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment". Well now that the lst Amendment has been used with the disapproval of the NRA...it only shows the NRA is not out protect civil rights...

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 12:51:16 PM   
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I am actually finding this really funny. At the begining all these post with NRA solgans "The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment". Well now that the lst Amendment has been used with the disapproval of the NRA...it only shows the NRA is not out protect civil rights...

Are you sure you're posting on the right thread?

Noone on this particular one has said any such thing.
You're the only one who has mentioned the NRA and one amendment protecting the other.

THIS thread is a debate about possible irresponsible journalism and its consequenses. Please try to keep up next time.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 1:16:07 PM   
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It depends if we're talking about home invasions when the homeowner is present or a burglary when the homeowner is not present. In the home invasion scenario the newspaper's list might actually be a deterrent. For the purposes of the burglar who targets unoccupied homes it's closer to a shopping list if he's looking for guns. They're going to steal stuff from any house they break into. If you aren't home and they think a gun will be included I suspect they'll pick your house before others. The information the paper provided is public but they did make it easier. Why not just compile list everyone's possessions and post them online?


Many people do that themselves right after Christmas.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 1:21:41 PM   
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It depends if we're talking about home invasions when the homeowner is present or a burglary when the homeowner is not present. In the home invasion scenario the newspaper's list might actually be a deterrent. For the purposes of the burglar who targets unoccupied homes it's closer to a shopping list if he's looking for guns. They're going to steal stuff from any house they break into. If you aren't home and they think a gun will be included I suspect they'll pick your house before others. The information the paper provided is public but they did make it easier. Why not just compile list everyone's possessions and post them online?


Many people do that themselves right after Christmas.

Facebook is a burglar's paradise. LOOKEEE WHAT I GOTS FOR CHRISTMAS


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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 1:27:58 PM   
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LOL

Drive down most roads.... all those boxes proclaiming any electronic you may have gotten.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 1:47:38 PM   
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I am actually finding this really funny. At the begining all these post with NRA solgans "The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment". Well now that the lst Amendment has been used with the disapproval of the NRA...it only shows the NRA is not out protect civil rights...


Was it legal?  Yes.

Was it the morally right thing to do?  No.

Ya see, a thing may be legal, but immoral.  This is why you can NOT legislate morality. 

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 2:12:25 PM   
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My point all along for years.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 2:52:26 PM   
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I am actually finding this really funny. At the begining all these post with NRA solgans "The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment". Well now that the lst Amendment has been used with the disapproval of the NRA...it only shows the NRA is not out protect civil rights...


Was it legal?  Yes.

Was it the morally right thing to do?  No.

Ya see, a thing may be legal, but immoral.  This is why you can NOT legislate morality. 


In my view morallity is subjective. In this case it was not immoral...

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 5:04:28 PM   
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Uh huh!
LOL
Drive down most roads.... all those boxes proclaiming any electronic you may have gotten.


Therein lies yet another reason to take your recyclables to a local center.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 5:26:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Uh huh!
LOL
Drive down most roads.... all those boxes proclaiming any electronic you may have gotten.


Therein lies yet another reason to take your recyclables to a local center.


Or burn the boxes.  Fireplaces are great for that.  And YES I can seal off that room while that is going on to avoid any nasties from the paint coloring stuff.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 7:33:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

I am actually finding this really funny. At the begining all these post with NRA solgans "The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st Amendment". Well now that the lst Amendment has been used with the disapproval of the NRA...it only shows the NRA is not out protect civil rights...


Was it legal?  Yes.

Was it the morally right thing to do?  No.

Ya see, a thing may be legal, but immoral.  This is why you can NOT legislate morality. 


In my view morallity is subjective. In this case it was not immoral...

In other words, you decide what is moral and what isn't. Can you see how someone might think that's unmitigated asswipe?

Personally, I see posting the addresses of the journalists the same way I see a small but capable kid stomping a mudhole in a bully's ass.
The journalists were being bullies and they discovered that someone is more capable of totally legal posts.

As I said before. If someone walks up out of the blue and punches me in the face, it's their own fault when they end up on the ground screaming from a dislocated kneecap.

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RE: Turnabout is fair play - 12/28/2012 7:48:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I agree, the journalists where trying to bully the gun owners and they got a taste of their own medicine.
Two wrongs don't make a right but it might make them someone stop and think before they did it again.
What did the journalist THINK was going to happen?
Did they truly believe that someone wouldn't retaliate in some manner to that?


Geesh.



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