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jlf1961 -> Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:12:22 PM)

Preppers have become big business around the world today, and very big business in the US. Companies have actually developed product lines just for this fraction of society including gourmet shelf stable and freeze dried foods.

The question I have is simple, are their fears justified?

The three main reasons for the collapse of human civilization are as follows:
1 The general collapse of society caused by the shortage or unavailability of resources such as electricity, fuel, food, or water.
2 Financial disruption or economic collapse (caused by monetary manipulation, hyperinflation, deflation, or depression).
3 A global pandemic.

My biggest worry is a pandemic, and the CDC supports that concern, but what do you think?

Is human civilization getting ready to collapse?




JeffBC -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:24:08 PM)

Well, #2 is an absolute certainty if today's trends continue and I'm not seeing much effort much less success to slow them down. Who knows what someone may do tomorrow.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:29:23 PM)

To a degree I have always been a prepper.
I keep bottled water, canned goods, and products like TP, soap, batteries, and candles in large quantities.
This has saved my ass in several storms recently where my area has been without power for weeks at a time.

Prepping is a HUGE business these days and it's not just fanatics prepping.
Mother nature is kicking our asses in more than one way.
THAT is a reality.
When people run out of resources it's natural that a certain amount chaos and fear occur.
There are also those that use that time to prey on the weak, hence why many preppers hide their bunkards and supplies or stock pile weapons.


My personal biggest worry is a that power will simply go out and not come back on.
Does it consume me?
No. Does it make me do things a certain way, perhaps.

That being said I think any thing from financial collapse, chemical or nuclear attack, act of nature, or shortage of resources could happen.








LaTigresse -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:33:12 PM)

We are all going to die, so yeah, you could say we are living on borrowed time.

I remember in the 70's when life wasn't so easy, a lot of people were 'preppers' before preppers existed. Nut jobs talking about the very same shit. Stock piling shit, talking crazy.

Then you have the Jack VanImpe version of crazy...

Fuck it, some people will buy into anything a clever marketing guru sells them.




jlf1961 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:36:32 PM)

Five friends and myself are preppers, but not fanatics. We have a compound that used to be a Nike anti aircraft missile post where we have both cabins for our families and have renovated the underground complex to use as bulk storage and if necessary a shelter.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:43:40 PM)

One time our power was out for 2.5 wks due to a storm recently Sandy killed it for 9 days. It was out for many others a lot longer than that.

So I would be silly not to keep certain things stocked pilled.
I am not a fanatic by any means.




LaTigresse -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:48:06 PM)

I see being prepared for a length of time without power, or unable to leave the property as being different than the 'prepper', "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!" nutters.

Hell, I live in rural Iowa where we've been known to get a few ice storms, blizzards, tornadoes, and whatever the hell else nature might dream up.... We have a generator and a tidy stockpile of food and necessities like TP and candles, pretty much as a matter of fact. We'd be stupid not to. But stuff to last weeks, months, years......no.




jlf1961 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 7:51:22 PM)

We have supplies for 3 months, and one of the group is a doctor, his first job after finishing all the internships and residency stuff was at the CDC. He got tired of the government shuffling their feet on various research projects and went into general practice.

If there is a pandemic, the current protocol is to keep people from gathering in groups to prevent the spread of the disease, and he figures that the normal run for the worst of it is about 3 months.




TheLilSquaw -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 8:03:45 PM)

Heck, I know couponers that have more than 3 mths stocked piled. Lol




SimplyMichael -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 8:09:38 PM)

I live in San Francisco, my boat is stocked with fuel, food and water. Here it isn't if, its when.




marie2 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 8:32:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I see being prepared for a length of time without power, or unable to leave the property as being different than the 'prepper', "the sky is falling the sky is falling!!!!!" nutters.

Hell, I live in rural Iowa where we've been known to get a few ice storms, blizzards, tornadoes, and whatever the hell else nature might dream up.... We have a generator and a tidy stockpile of food and necessities like TP and candles, pretty much as a matter of fact. We'd be stupid not to. But stuff to last weeks, months, years......no.


This.

Being prepared for a loss of power, flooding and not being able to get to a store and things of that nature is one thing. But preparing for doomsday is something entirely different.

I mean, seriously, where are you going to be "safe" in a natural disaster? There are so many different types of disasters that can occur, from tornados, to earth quakes, to sink holes, and hurricanes etc etc. Where can anyone be guaranteed safety? On a boat? Underneath the ground? A foxhole? In a cement fortress? People are fucking nuts.




jlf1961 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 8:48:07 PM)

The only natural disaster that would effect everyone on the planet is an extinction causing asteroid or comet impact. Then everyone is screwed.

FEMA recommends that every household keep 72 hours of emergency supplies on hand in case of a natural disaster.

The term Doomsday has a lot of meanings, the average prepper is looking at not a natural disaster, but either and economic or man made disaster.

I am more concerned about a world wide pandemic. Plague mutations that are resistant to antibiotics have been found in wild animals, viruses routinely mutate and jump species, this is how we get the flu.

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If it’s a particularly contagious virus, it would spread across the planet in a year. “If it starts in New York, it’s going to be in London certainly within a week,” says Ira Longini, a biostatistician at the University of Washington and the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle who uses computer models to analyze how viruses globe-trot. “And from there, it will quickly travel to the rest of North America and Europe.” For Longini’s computer forecasts to become reality, though, certain conditions would need to be met.

First, it should be a strain of influenza. As anyone who has suffered through a bout of flu knows, it affects the respiratory tract, so sneezing and coughing make it easy to infect anyone within a three-foot radius. The virus must originate in a major city with plenty of airport traffic, to ensure that it jumps continents. Arising during the winter would speed its spread too, because the “normal” colds or flus people typically catch at that time of year could throw health officials off the trail of the real megabug, says Andrew Pekosz, a virologist and immunologist at Johns Hopkins University. The idea seems to freak him out. “With everybody expressing similar symptoms, we’d end up chasing, chasing, chasing, but always being a few steps behind, never really able to interrupt the spread.”



A virus with a mortality rate of 30% would place a strain on city services trying to deal with the dead. Should a virus like Ebola ever mutate to jump from monkeys to humans, you are looking at a mortality rate of 50 to 90%.

And the simple truth is that new viruses are discovered all the time.




marie2 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 9:16:13 PM)

The bubonic plague!! Do you have a plastic bubble to live in?




jlf1961 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 9:38:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: marie2

The bubonic plague!! Do you have a plastic bubble to live in?


Hate to tell you this, but the plague is very much alive and well around the world. It is carried by prairie dogs, squirrels, rats, rabbits among other things.

Worldwide, 1,000 to 3,000 cases are reported each year. In the United States, most cases occur in the Southwestern and Pacific states. Plague regularly occurs in Madagascar, as well as in South America, in the Andean mountain region and Brazil. Plague is not a health problem today in Australia or Europe.




tj444 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 9:40:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Is human civilization getting ready to collapse?

imo, no more than its ever been..

#1- different areas might have problems, but not everyone..

#2- if you know how to profit from that and be a contrarian, you will make money while the world falls apart.. there are examples of people that did that during this last recession/depression..

#3- with people being able to travel and spread viruses, yes that is possible.. it will be the people that have the weakest immune systems that will be most vulnerable.. and likely those in big cities where it can spread fast.. but imo, people will still survive in some areas..

Having food & supplies stored, etc is always good to have, but many things are beyond preparing for and its just being in the wrong place at the wrong time that will get ya.. But imo, you are lost already if you let fear (especially unreasonable or unwarranted fear) rule you..




littlewonder -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/28/2012 10:07:01 PM)

We're all on borrowed time. We live, we die. We're not immortal.

As for the whole prepping thing, it's not something I concern myself with. If it's the end of the world, the last thing I wanna do is be alive in it and have to struggle day to day.

I however, don't see the end of the world coming anytime soon. People have been thinking the world is ending since well....the beginning of man. We're still here and there are no signs of anything coming to an end anytime soon.




meatcleaver -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/29/2012 1:32:54 AM)

The world won't end, though our civilisation will one day but who knows when and we might not recognize it. Many people in the Roman Empire would have lived through its fall and not noticed it one way or the other. I suspect when our civilisation falls and it will if we carry on the way we currently are, overconsuming resources and despoilation of our habitat, the real winners will be some stoneage tribesmen in south America or Africa or maybe Borneo, I don't know.




Yachtie -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/29/2012 3:14:24 AM)

Financially, we're screwed. Whether that brings on societal collapse or not, who knows? It took Rome ~200 years to collapse. In the age of instantaneous transactions / communications and high speed travel, not to mention nukes, armed drones, or box cutters, it can be done much much faster.

There's always opportunity in chaos, more so than in times of quiet. Embrace the horror[;)]




Politesub53 -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/29/2012 4:12:57 AM)

No need to prep in the UK. Tescos is open 24/7. [;)]




DesideriScuri -> RE: Are we on borrowed time? (12/29/2012 6:33:27 AM)

FR,

Of course we're on borrowed time. The world was supposed to end on 12/21/2012. 8 days later and we're still hanging around. I wonder how much time we borrowed...




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