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Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 5:51:46 AM   
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I am not really wanting to start another discussion on Online Vs. reality.  There are already a couple of those going - but I didn't want to hijack the threads either.
 
I thought of this thanks to ScooterTrash and in what He was explaining on the Why Online isn't thread.  Just made me think/brought up an interesting point.
 
If online relationship interaction causes mental stimulus, how do people recieve support and healing?
How does it work?  How do you care for the mental stability of a submissive that you interact with online?  How do you care for them after any event that has taken place?
 
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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:00:26 AM   
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I would think it would work by the other continuing to maintain online contact when it was needed rather than going offline as soon as they felt it was finished.


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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:09:27 AM   
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online rarely works (if ever). the distance is always too great and the personability is missing. how does one truly know another via online? they can be anyone, do anything...and when they finally meet, it all comes crashing down on them both.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:13:33 AM   
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michael - I do appriciate your response.  But I really don't want to start a discussion on whether it will work or whats good/bad about them(although its going to happen sure) - but there are other posts on that.
 
I am specifically interested in how dominants give aftercare online.
 
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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:17:27 AM   
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i was in an online relationship for a year that didn't go anywhere. the collaring was done by proxy using my former Mistress's fem sub who came to my place to do the ceremony while Mistress was online typing the words. i should have known from the start that it wasn't gonna work, but i knew Her for over 2 years online and thought things would be different. guess things "aren't" always as they seem.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:21:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

I am not really wanting to start another discussion on Online Vs. reality.  There are already a couple of those going - but I didn't want to hijack the threads either.
 
I thought of this thanks to ScooterTrash and in what He was explaining on the Why Online isn't thread.  Just made me think/brought up an interesting point.
 
If online relationship interaction causes mental stimulus, how do people recieve support and healing?
How does it work?  How do you care for the mental stability of a submissive that you interact with online?  How do you care for them after any event that has taken place?
 
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excellent thought dark!

I have not kept up with the other thread just because that subject always seems to turn into one big pissing contest and its rediculous. However the question you ask made me think about how it applies to why I refuse to get into online "play" of any sort. For me, typed words cannot convey everything I need from someone for myself and even more importantly for them. There are so many facets to the communication between two people that do not involve words at all. Those other facets are to Me, far more important. Many many times I have seen someone in my life say one thing but its been very obvious by their body language, actions, facial expressions, eye contact, even their breathing, that they mean something entirely different. If I had reacted based purely on their words it would have been completely inappropriate. I personally NEED all these other lines of comunication to know how to deal with a given situation comfortably. I cannot tell you how many times I have been misunderstood via email or IM in a conversation with friends and family. I cannot imagine how badly it could go if that happened during a much more emotionally charged interaction. Add that to my basic distrust of any sort of internet "commitment" and I just cannot even consider going there. If someone wants a relationship beyond friendship and for me to take them seriously, then they are going to have to get from behind a computer screen and spend some face to face time.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:23:52 AM   
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quote:

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michael - I do appriciate your response.  But I really don't want to start a discussion on whether it will work or whats good/bad about them(although its going to happen sure) - but there are other posts on that.
 
I am specifically interested in how dominants give aftercare online.
 
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dark, I appologise. I kind of got offtrack to the end result you were after. However.....I cannot imagine being able to give appropriate after care with typed words. I need touch.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:32:25 AM   
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Thank You Tigresse
 
No - your post answered from your personal preference and I can see why you feel the way you do - and it helps and answered my question completely.
 
I just hear of people who reach a certain level even online, and I was concerned how that is dealt with.  There has to be some sort of basic care - even from how much fluid a person is taking in whilst sat at a screen for hours on end.  I just wondered how that would work.
 
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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:37:40 AM   
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When people talk about online relationships I always assume there is a phone component, even if small.  When something happens online (or an online partner is hurting about something), it's important to get on the phone and connect on a more emotional level. 

Beyond that, people underestimate the power of words. If a relationship is online and functional for the most part, it's living in the dynamic of the written word already.  If both people respond and thrive on the interaction of text, emails and communication via this medium, they can generally carry that communication across all levels -- for sympathy, support, tenderness.

Remember what most people do in times of pain and suffering to show they care - they send a written note, a card.  Some people resolve conflicts by writing letters instead of meeting face to face because they do not have the interaction skills to really talk from the heart. 

If two people are sincere and caring, the online medium should not prevent them from sharing grief, joy, pain and offering support and care.   Remember, there are many real life relationships that crumble because in the time of crisis one partner is totally unable to communicate compassion, give a hug at the right time, say the right words or know when it's appropriate to spend the night vs. leave.   When you are dealing with words, the challenges are different.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:45:00 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darkinshadows

I am not really wanting to start another discussion on Online Vs. reality.  There are already a couple of those going - but I didn't want to hijack the threads either.
 
I thought of this thanks to ScooterTrash and in what He was explaining on the Why Online isn't thread.  Just made me think/brought up an interesting point.
 
If online relationship interaction causes mental stimulus, how do people recieve support and healing?
How does it work?  How do you care for the mental stability of a submissive that you interact with online?  How do you care for them after any event that has taken place?
 
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For my own mental health, I'm just going to skip reading any of the other replies, so if I repeat anything that someone else has contributed, I do apologize.

Sir and I have been in an online long-distance relationship for over a year now. We have plans to meet face to face before the year is out but to be honest, we're both very happy with the way things have gone between us so far. Being online this way has given us a chance to take things slowly, to learn to communicate on a deeper level than we might have managed face to face and has basically allowed us to build a strong foundation for a relationship that we want to last for the rest of our lives.

That said, there have been times when the distance has made what you're asking about a thousand times more difficult. Yes, we've both experienced "drop". We've had misunderstandings. We've been in situations where we didn't have the time to give as much as was needed, and where being able to touch each other probably would have had the same effect in half an hour that our talking together had after about three hours.

It works because we both are very careful about being especially aware of the other person's mindset. We have to get into each other's heads to a certain extent. If I'm feeling down but really don't want to talk about it because  I know our time that day is limited and I don't want to color it with my being mopey, we have to talk about it. Whether I bring it up or Sir gets it out of me, the effort has to be there. Otherwise it sits and misunderstandings happen-- some of the worst misunderstandings we've had have come out of silence, because we don't have visual and physical clues there to help us with communication. We don't have the luxury of not speaking up some of the time.

Aftercare, by necessity, also takes a different form. We can't cuddle in together, outside of words, or a voice on the phone. We compensate by setting aside as much time as we can, and as much is needed. If one of us is feeling shaky, we have to say so, and then take the verbal support that is offered. Many of the things we tell each other in these moments are the same as another couple would say in person, I suppose, as the purpose and the effect are the same.

I'm not sure if this really answers your question or if it's a bit too vague and general to do that. I can try to put more specific examples to words if you like but I'll leave it till then.

Thank you for asking a more constructive question about these sorts of relationships.

Edit: Oh yes, I'd forgotten about the fluid intake requirements. Sir does require me to drink a lot of water, as well as occasionally do stretches and exercises by the computer during a long session. It isn't all mental!


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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 6:59:36 AM   
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being online is ok to start, but you need to evolve and you need to WANT it to evolve for it to work.  it runs out of steam.  frankly i wouldnt want to be married to my computer for the rest of my life.  W/we have gone from message boards, to chat, to voice, to voice with webcam, up to Him moving here permanantly in just a few days.

as for supporting online, there have been times when i was upset that He would actually take the day off work so that W/we could interact on voice and cam rather than just through the text He is restricted to in a work environment.  no, that is not physical touch, but at times just certain tones of His voice give me the ability to feel His arms around me. (W/we of course have met in real time before now).

i guess what i am saying is that if its going to work it takes a lot of effort-- but it can and does work.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 8:12:59 AM   
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Dark,
Good question. I had a ldr with pup and it was extremely hard to offer emotional support or after care for him over the internet. I usually picked up the phone, or picked up my car keys, whichever one I thought was needed most. There were times he was upset about something and I felt positively powerless to help him in any way. On the few times we did anything sexual via web cam, there was no after care involved, because frankly IMO it is hard to do. I need to touch, smell and taste. None of which can be done staring at my monitor. All I could see was his sweet face filled with longing and pain. I suppose a reflection of my own face. So to answer your question, IMO, there is no way I could accurately offer support or after care sitting in a room by myself.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 8:19:59 AM   
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I had an experience online in which it went too far with a certain type of pain play experiment. No, I was not flogging myself, he was testing me to see if I enjoyed pain while we were using a webcam. I became very bruised to the point that clothing rubbing up against me hurt. I did not have any experience with this, it seemed harmless, but I achieved levels of subspace due to this interaction and hurt myself (it could have caused permanent problems).

He discovered it and we never used the webcam for anything like this again. We saved things like this for being in person.

I will never engage in online D/s again. For one, I prefer real life, for another as close as I felt to this person at times (which believe me I did) it is not as fulfilling in any sense as real life.,.. I need real aftercare. Just me etc.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 8:20:27 AM   
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However.....I cannot imagine being able to give appropriate after care with typed words. I need touch.


While I am 100% in agreement with you give it some thought....if the entire interaction was online then it's all mental so the aftercare would be too. It's not the sub was actually strung up by their big toe, tickled mercilessly, cut open with the whip, etc so it's not like the sub needs to have their physical wounds tended to (since there are none) and the aftercare sort of becomes an extension of the fantasy. Fantasy scene, fantasy aftercare. Words on a screen.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 8:22:54 AM   
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but I achieved levels of subspace due to this interaction and hurt myself (it could have caused permanent problems).


A good example of why it's unwise to go beyond words online.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 8:52:21 AM   
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I did not live with my former submissive; he lives an hour away, and while we saw each other over the week-end, and usually once during the week, we maintained a very strong relationship over the phone, IM, and e-mail to keep us focused on one another.  I e-mailed him at the end of each night, and he replied first thing in the morning.... we often re-hashed activities from the previous days,  shared articles, thoughts, I sent instructions and more.  He was in a chastity device, so I required a daily photo.  We also spoke on the phone daily, and often, I would assign him activities with time limits, or have him do things for me as I was on the telephone.  Even after some rather humiliating activities, we would speak for a while afterwards, and I could feel he was in a secure place  Communication is communication no matter what kind of relationship you are involved in.  Real-time relationships fail, as well as online relationships, and lack of communication is often cause for their demise.


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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 9:51:36 AM   
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I think it's dangerous to play online via webcam or phone. We did it once and I am certain I almost entered subspace, but pulled myself back. Not having aftercare left me feeling withdrawn and confused. Not being able to complete a scene fully is one of the reasons we didn't do them again. It was a memorable experience for sure, but he was wise not to do it again with me.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 10:26:40 AM   
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There was not just a phone component but a real life one in my case. I did not realize how badly I had injured myself until the next day when bruising and swelling took place in a significant way. I was new to this all, hence I was experimenting online. I did not even realize i was in subspace, he would have known if he had been in the room with me, but he wasnt in the room with me. You see, that is the whole point of the OP, asking about aftercare and it was why I posted my experience. A sub cannot always be cognizant of the fact they should go no further than they are, and a dom cannot always tell if the sub has gone too far based on words. The eyes of a person change during subspace (at least this is what I have been told), it is important to be able to read body language and to read a sub's physical being. I am not against what others do, but people should really think about these things before they play on cam. I am not telling people how they should play or what risks they should take.

Personally I will reiterate, I will not risk subspace without my dominant present to hug and kiss me, check me over, rub my circulation to areas that may be slightly traumatized, and basically make sure I am ok. If others do not need this, well, that is up to them. I am not judging online relationships, I am just stating my experience... Believe me, the dom I played with felt badly that we went too far, because he tried to be careful, but I have a high pain tolerance at times.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 12:31:34 PM   
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Halcyone said...
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It works because we both are very careful about being especially aware of the other person's mindset. We have to get into each other's heads to a certain extent. If I'm feeling down but really don't want to talk about it because  I know our time that day is limited and I don't want to color it with my being mopey, we have to talk about it. Whether I bring it up or Sir gets it out of me, the effort has to be there. Otherwise it sits and misunderstandings happen-- some of the worst misunderstandings we've had have come out of silence, because we don't have visual and physical clues there to help us with communication. We don't have the luxury of not speaking up some of the time.

Aftercare, by necessity, also takes a different form. We can't cuddle in together, outside of words, or a voice on the phone. We compensate by setting aside as much time as we can, and as much is needed. If one of us is feeling shaky, we have to say so, and then take the verbal support that is offered. Many of the things we tell each other in these moments are the same as another couple would say in person, I suppose, as the purpose and the effect are the same.


This has been my experience exactly, but I couldn't have put it so clearly.  Being online is just different way to do it.  Some things are good, some aren't, but I think that's no different than face to face relationships. 

I can have more contact online than my girlfriend does with her husband....he's over in the war.  When I was little my father was gone for 6-9 months each year on submarines, and my parents only had airmail.  No one gets everything they need unfortunately, and the absence hurts.  I try adjust my expectations of online relationships to the best of my ability.

That said, I also have suffered terrible lonliness and fears of abandonment in online relationships.  There were times I needed to be held and was not.  It can be terrible and painful also.  I also don't get to enjoy the sublime pleasure of just sitting in the same room doing nothing, but feeling together.

I've also felt the soul soaring that comes with being connectied with someone trying so hard to communicate with me, and have it work. 

I appreciate the comments people have posted about this.

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RE: Online Relationships - Support and Validation. - 6/18/2006 12:46:56 PM   
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When people talk about online relationships I always assume there is a phone component, even if small.  When something happens online (or an online partner is hurting about something), it's important to get on the phone and connect on a more emotional level. 


These words made me remember something that happened between my Lord and I when we first started interacting.  He and I met online and for the first 6 months, we interacted online for the most part with the occasional phone call.  I would not refer to it as a relationship, so much as interacting to see if we wanted to start a relationship. 

One Sunday morning, I was sitting at the computer in my parents house writing an email to my Lord (though he was only Knight to me then) and I hear my mother screaming from the bathroom to call 911.  She thought my dad was having a heart attack.  I never finished the email to my Lord, only sent him a few short sentences to let him know I would be at the emergency room.  When he woke up, the first thing he did after reading the email was call me.  This was only the second phone call I had ever received from him.  He called me several times that day, just to check up on me and offer whatever comfort he could.  Just the sound of his voice gave me the support and comfort that I needed at that time.

I think communication, whether verbal or written can go a long way towards offering support and validation and that can be accomplished online.  For myself though, no words can replace the value of a simple hug.

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