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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Re: the accused woman's "obvious" mental illness.
Were each and every member of the Nazi Party in Germany "obviously" mentally ill, or were their actions based on years of propaganda and indoctrination?

If the accused turns out to be someone who constantly watches Fox-"News" and constantly listens to Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck, her Islamophobia might be the result of 12 years of indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness.

Did each and every member of the nazi party have a history of acting out and having the cops called on them? Were they private citizens who attacked total strangers?

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Kristallnacht (Crystal Night). Also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary and civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening. The attacks left the streets covered with broken glass from the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps. Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone), and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Re: the accused woman's "obvious" mental illness.
Were each and every member of the Nazi Party in Germany "obviously" mentally ill, or were their actions based on years of propaganda and indoctrination?

If the accused turns out to be someone who constantly watches Fox-"News" and constantly listens to Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck, her Islamophobia might be the result of 12 years of indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness.

Did each and every member of the nazi party have a history of acting out and having the cops called on them? Were they private citizens who attacked total strangers?

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Kristallnacht (Crystal Night). Also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary and civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening. The attacks left the streets covered with broken glass from the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps. Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone), and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.

Kristallnacht

Yeah - not one sane German civilian was influenced by the 7 years of anti-semitic indoctrination and propaganda by their radio and newspapers - just like there has been not one sane American civilian who has been influenced by 12 years of Islamophobe indoctrination and propaganda by talk radio and a certain cable news network.

Were all the German and Austrian civilians who actively participated in Kristallnacht "obviously mentally ill" or merely influenced by indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Did they think they were attacking Hindus as well?

Are you seriously claiming that this woman's history and comments indicate that she was sane?

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Did they think they were attacking Hindus as well?

Are you seriously claiming that this woman's history and comments indicate that she was sane?

Until somebody can provide evidence that she isn't sane, does fd need to make any effort proving that he is?
I don't recall anybody claiming that George Zimmerman's criminal history and the crap he was spouting about how "these guys always get away" proving that he wasn't competent to stand trial. Bigotry /= insanity.

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Authorities were called to her home five times since 2005 on reports of an emotionally disturbed person.

In one instance, police said, she threw a radio at the responding officers.

Menendez had been arrested several times, starting when she was young. In 2003, she was arrested on charges she punched a 28-year-old man in the face inside her Queens home, but the case was later dropped. She pleaded guilty later that year to assaulting a stranger on the street near her home. The victim, retired Fire Department official Daniel Conlisk, said the attack was violent and relentless.

He said he was sorting recyclables outside his home one night when Menendez approached him and punched him in the face, screaming that he was having sex with her mother.

"It was such a shot," Conlisk said. "And I was surprised she hit so hard, because she was just a girl."

He said he tried to fend her off as she clawed at his skin. He eventually broke free and went inside his home, where he called police. When they arrived, he said, she was still outside screaming about him having sex with her mother, and saying he had stolen jewelry from her in high school.

"That's when everyone realized there's really something wrong with her," he said. Conlisk, 65, said he took out two restraining orders against her but never saw her after he was attacked.

He said that he felt bad that he pressed charges, but that she seemed dangerous.

"I really believe if she had a knife, she would have killed me," he said.

In December 2003, Menendez was arrested for cocaine possession. She was given a conditional discharge after pleading guilty.

Last Thursday, witnesses said a woman pacing and mumbling to herself suddenly shoved Sen off the elevated platform of a No. 7 train that travels between Manhattan and Queens. She fled.

Menendez was spotted by a passer-by who called 911 and said she resembled the wanted suspect. When she was arrested, she told police she shoved Sen because she blamed Muslims and Hindus for the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks and had been "beating them up" ever since, according to authorities.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Spare me your trolling at the expense of the dead person. (And at the expense of logic).
I quoted your exact words, you've fabricated your claims about what others have said.

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That may fit your definition of a sane person, it looks like someone in trouble to me.

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto
Re: the accused woman's "obvious" mental illness.
Were each and every member of the Nazi Party in Germany "obviously" mentally ill, or were their actions based on years of propaganda and indoctrination?

If the accused turns out to be someone who constantly watches Fox-"News" and constantly listens to Rush Limbaugh and/or Glenn Beck, her Islamophobia might be the result of 12 years of indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness.

Did each and every member of the nazi party have a history of acting out and having the cops called on them? Were they private citizens who attacked total strangers?

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Kristallnacht (Crystal Night). Also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass, or Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht, and Novemberpogrome, was a pogrom (a series of coordinated attacks) against Jews throughout Nazi Germany and parts of Austria on 9–10 November 1938, carried out by SA paramilitary and civilians. German authorities looked on without intervening. The attacks left the streets covered with broken glass from the windows of Jewish-owned stores, buildings, and synagogues.

At least 91 Jews were killed in the attacks, and a further 30,000 arrested and incarcerated in concentration camps. Jewish homes, hospitals, and schools were ransacked, as the attackers demolished buildings with sledgehammers. Over 1,000 synagogues were burned (95 in Vienna alone), and over 7,000 Jewish businesses destroyed or damaged.

Kristallnacht

Yeah - not one sane German civilian was influenced by the 7 years of anti-semitic indoctrination and propaganda by their radio and newspapers - just like there has been not one sane American civilian who has been influenced by 12 years of Islamophobe indoctrination and propaganda by talk radio and a certain cable news network.

Were all the German and Austrian civilians who actively participated in Kristallnacht "obviously mentally ill" or merely influenced by indoctrination and propaganda, and not necessarily mental illness?

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Spare me your trolling at the expense of the dead person. (And at the expense of logic).
I quoted your exact words, you've fabricated your claims about what others have said.

So several posters did not say that this woman belongs in an institution rather than in prison, then?

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That may fit your definition of a sane person, it looks like someone in trouble to me.

Sadly, neither hysteria nor idiocy are recognised as forms of insanity. That's why posters on here can come out with all sorts of hysterical and idiotic drivel with impunity.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

The claim was that people here were saying that she should never be tried in a court of law because of inansity... I'm still waiting for someone to produce the 'several posters' who said that.

What was said was that an appropriate sentence would be incarceration in a mental facility (instead of in the general population of a regular prison).

Since we both know that those were imaginary statements, you are just playing games with another tragedy by moving the goal posts.

And you're accusing me of strawmanning. How cute.

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Are there sane people who think Fox doesnt promote violence?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Are there sane people who think Fox doesnt promote violence?

Well they do not come out and tell people to go kill muslims or any other ethnic group...

That being said, every time I watch fox news I have the overwhelming desire to nuke someone... but considering I am a liberal, I have no clue who to nuke.

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

Do you have anything relevant to the topic at hand that is useful for reality based discourse, or just more debate tricks at the expense of the dead man?

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Is she sane enough to be sentenced to prison? Not from what I've read about her in the press (and just to be clear it is not her statement about hatred of certain groups that defines her sanity). After all, since when did hating certain groups of people become defined as "insanity"?