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naughtynick81 -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 7:53:37 PM)

Just a fast reply as I'm pretty tied up today. I'm not the only one who notices this.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/further-insight-on-feminist-shaming-tactics/




tazzygirl -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 7:57:37 PM)

And yet your link gives no real examples.




focalss -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 8:00:43 PM)

No its a bad idea to shame someone into having sex before they are ready especially if they are young.




tazzygirl -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 8:03:54 PM)

I am not disagreeing with that.

I am asking for links of examples to this form of shaming.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 8:39:24 PM)


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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
You are free to think different all you like. I know the truth.


All that says to me is "It doesn't matter what you say to me, I'm not going to change my view. So why bother?"

So, I won't bother.


Peon stole my abs....I just want this stated for the new year.




Aylee -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 9:06:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Just a fast reply as I'm pretty tied up today. I'm not the only one who notices this.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/further-insight-on-feminist-shaming-tactics/


Well that was quite uninformative as an article.

What rights do you want that you do not have?

Great that it is a voice for men, but what does that voice want?

Ordered Liberty purports that there are lines around individuals in society that they must not cross, areas that must not be broached, places that are completely hands-off. It is as though there is a square that surrounds society, within this square are the things that are allowable, outside is the unallowable. The square that men have been placed in is of a much greater magnitude than the square that women are required to stay in. If the men’s area were the size of a CD, the women’s area would be the size of the hole.

It seems that the women that this article refers to have stepped outside of their alloted space. You are not comfortable with that. You do not like it when a woman is independent, is connected with herself, channels her rage productively and actively, and is self-determined not other-determined. Well, too bad.

I will also note that the article treats women as "other."  That is not so good in my opinion. 




Aylee -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 9:09:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I am not disagreeing with that.

I am asking for links of examples to this form of shaming.


He is not going to find links to this.  Oh, don't get me wrong, he could if tried.  The gender war has been going on for a long time.  What he does not understand is that in this type of war, no one wins.  It really is not boys against the girls as that would be silly.  It is about power.  It always is. 




tazzygirl -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 9:44:03 PM)

I consider myself a feminist.... old school. Its a shame he cant see the differences and decides to make it his lifes work to eradicate all feminist.




Aylee -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 10:06:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

I consider myself a feminist.... old school. Its a shame he cant see the differences and decides to make it his lifes work to eradicate all feminist.


They are scary and want to take away his "power" over others. 




Owner59 -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (12/31/2012 10:26:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

The victimization culture of today's psychology has done a great disservice to too many people. Somewhere along the way, therapists forgot to teach their patients that the 'right to have your feelings' does not mean the right to act like a raging asshole.


Yup....just look at the whiney post preceding yours.......someone call the whaaaaaahhhhmbulance.....[&o] 




crazyml -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 12:27:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

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Reading through the thread it is apparently when a female tells a male that the reason he has issues with women is because he cannot get laid.


Here's a better way to say it: It's when a male expresses the wrong things women and/or feminists do. There are 3 types of people who use this ad hominem to divert away from the focus of the truth.


1. The people who are guilty of the things being talked about.

2. The women who have the sisterhood mentality.

3. The gynocentric men who want to play whiteknight.


That's not a better way to say it. That's a rather silly way to say it nicky. I think the first definition is much, much clearer and better.

Your definition seems to be influenced by your anger a little.

To start with, the old "ad hominem to divert away from the focus of the truth" is something you do quite a lot, isn't it? There are examples on this thread - actually on this thread - in front of my fucking eyes!
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Me complaining about patriarchy blaming, wage gap lies, DV bias, manipulated rape/dv stats, disparity in men's health funding, meal ticket beggars in dating, women with chauvinist mentalities, and so forth, has nothing to do with when was the last time I got laid or if I have been laid.


Here's why I believe so strongly that the issue here lies in your delivery, nicky. I've debated pretty much all of the issues you've listed (except for "meal ticket beggars in dating" which I confess is new to me), and I have never once been subjected to an ad hominem attack. Never once.



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It's just that these types of people who say this obviously think men aren't worthy or valuable enough to have an opinion that's not a gynocentric female favoured point of view.

You see you're generalising a personal experience that you believe you've had, and trying to apply it to a larger group that doesn't have the same experience.

I think the problem is that you're encountering people who then come to the conclusion that you're not worthy or valuable enough to have an opinion (on whatever topic). Plainly this isn't true, the fact that you can put your finger on some of the key issues in feminism indicates that you're smart, so I'm even more certain that this isn't systematic persecution of men by women, but nick being misunderstood.

My offer to help you see how you might be giving people the false impression that you're a misanthropic jackass still stands, babes.


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You are free to think different all you like. I know the truth.


Oh fucking hell.... read that again.

Now, you're smart, you're articulate. Can you see why a significant number of people when reading that line will be thinking "JACKASS"?





naughtynick81 -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 1:55:57 AM)

Again, how is this my fault? Come up with a logical answer, come up with a logical argument.

I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE LOGICAL ANSWER TO HOW THE FLYING FUCK THIS IS MY FAULT.

How am I to blame for the actions other people are making?

Does this mean if I am sexist, I can blame women for it? If I even attempted to, everyone would laugh at me. But nooo not a privileged woman.

So let's say I complain about the pay gap lie, a feminist responds in saying "I can't get laid".

How exactly (IN LOGICAL DETAIL) am I at fault for this immature ad hominem attack? Is there any logical and intelligent answer? I think not.

How am I to blame for her sexism?

How am I to blame for anything that comes out of her mouth or what she types up on the keyboard? Do I have control over what a feminist says? How exactly am I responsible?

This is laughable.

Why is it that everything is always the fault of the male? A male is even at fault for the sexist actions women make. How laughable is that?

So you are saying we should treat women like children? As for not hold women responsible for what they choose to type or say? It's all the men's fault?

ROFL

I can't believe you people are serious. It would be really interesting to really know what's going through your mind. It seems to be full of custard.

So the conclusion is that we should treat women like children. They aren't responsible for anything sexist they say. It's all the fault of men.

We will settle for this? I am happy to agree to disagree as this is just a total waste of time. You seem a million miles out of touch with reality.

Let's say if you are fat. You come here complaining about any world issue that exist. I respond to you saying, "haha you're a fatty" Using your logic, this would mean that this is your fault, not mine. It's all your fault for why I randomly just came up with an immature ad hominem attack about your weight that has nothing to do at all with your topic.

Hey, don't tell me I am wrong for thinking this way, I am going by your rules.






thursdays -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 2:29:59 AM)

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crazyml -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 2:35:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Again, how is this my fault? Come up with a logical answer, come up with a logical argument.



How is "what" your fault?

You're very confused, nick. But that's ok. I'm willing to work with you on this.

Here's what I've been saying. I'm going to write it as clearly and simply as I possibly can.

I am saying that, you have every right to raise some of the important (and real) issues relating to men and the women's movement.

I'm saying that it is wrong for people to resort to ad hominem attacks when they disagree with you.

By the way, you do have a tendency to do that yourself when you're angry, don't you think?

I'm trying to say that, as an intelligent person, you should also be willing to look at how your own approach to communicating your (doubtless excellent) ideas might be failing somehow.


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I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE LOGICAL ANSWER TO HOW THE FLYING FUCK THIS IS MY FAULT.



I believe you. I really do believe that you haven't seen a logical answer, which is a little sad really, because you have been given several.

But I am beginning to wonder if you might be either wilfully or pathalogically unwilling to confront the fact that your posting style may be partly the cause of your trouble.

There is a very logical answer that could explain why you end up being mistreated. If, for example, you were a nasty little troll who just sets out to piss people off, who is so utterly lacking in self esteem that the only way you can eke any value out of your otherwise futile and pointless existence is by irritating strangers on the web then, sure - this would be your fault.

Now, I know that you're none of those things, I trust that you're a sensible, smart, thoughtful and articulate soul - Despite some evidence to the contrary on this very thread.

So let's start with this hypothetical and ask some very very simple yes/no questions.

You seem to have issues with responding to questions (which is, in the interests of improving your future posting experiences - very irritating) so I'm going to number them, so we can keep track of the questions you've been answered (or not)

1) Have you ever seen a nasty little troll
2) Can you understand how these people might irritate people into saying things that are rude?
3) Can you see how you might be mistaken for this kind of troll?


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How am I to blame for the actions other people are making?


Blame is a strong word, but we are trying to explore how your behaviour might provoke these actions.

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Does this mean if I am sexist, I can blame women for it? If I even attempted to, everyone would laugh at me. But nooo not a privileged woman.

So let's say I complain about the pay gap lie, a feminist responds in saying "I can't get laid".


Yes, that's a pathetic response to a discussion about the complexities of the gender pay gap.

I would, dispute however that it's a "lie". The vast bulk of the evidence does suggest a significant pay gap, but it isn't cut and dried, and there are some very tough issues surrounding it (for example the value of all of the other benefits) that need to be continually discussed.

I know you'll have thought about every side of the argument, but as someone familiar with gender politics, I'm sure you'll have rolled your eyes when some pathetic little tosspot rocks up on a board with a reference to some piece of shitty pseudo-research (often hauled from one of those wacky ultra-biased websites - You know, like the one you got the article you cited from earlier) that claims to refute decades of evidence about one topic or another and then argues like an asshat when people challenge him on his idiocy?



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How exactly (IN LOGICAL DETAIL) am I at fault for this immature ad hominem attack? Is there any logical and intelligent answer? I think not.


This cannot be answered as you've been unable, or unwilling, to provide links to the conversation in question. If you provide a link, I could provide a crystal clear explanation for you, I am certain.

It will be one of the following...

1) you've encountered someone who is an asshat. There are lots of asshats on the internet. The important thing is not to fall into the silly mistake of assuming that because you've met one asshat who claims to be a feminist, you can then infer that all feminists are asshats. As I'm sure you'll agree... that would be logically and factually very very silly.

2) You've expressed yourself poorly, leading people to the mistaken conclusion that you're an asshat.



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How am I to blame for her sexism?

How am I to blame for anything that comes out of her mouth or what she types up on the keyboard? Do I have control over what a feminist says? How exactly am I responsible?


This does seem to be the heart of the issue... since this is the third time you've asked the same question in the same post - see above!

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This is laughable.

Why is it that everything is always the fault of the male? A male is even at fault for the sexist actions women make. How laughable is that?


Gosh, what sort of buffoon would say that everything is always the fault of the male? And, wow... who would be soo foolish as to say that a male is even at fault for the sexist actions women make? Fuck me... point me to the posts where people have made these claims and I will back you up brother nick!

It'll have to be another thread though... on account of there having been no fucking suggestion of either of those statements being true on this one.

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So you are saying we should treat women like children? As for not hold women responsible for what they choose to type or say? It's all the men's fault?

ROFL

I can't believe you people are serious. It would be really interesting to really know what's going through your mind. It seems to be full of custard.

So the conclusion is that we should treat women like children. They aren't responsible for anything sexist they say. It's all the fault of men.

We will settle for this? I am happy to agree to disagree as this is just a total waste of time. You seem a million miles out of touch with reality.




Can you see how this might be interpreted as an adhominem attack?

Can you see how it might be a violation of the TOS?

I'm not going to report it though, because I much prefer that people can see posts like this - It helps them get a nice clear picture of who you are and how you behave.

So the question is.... are you going to answer the questions posed in this post... or are you going to avoid them, as you seem to have done pretty systematically so far?

I want you to know, that I'm really enjoying this dialogue, and I sincerely hope that you are too.




Lucylastic -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 3:20:55 AM)

You Mr Crazyml are a gem!!!




Zonie63 -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 3:46:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Just a fast reply as I'm pretty tied up today. I'm not the only one who notices this.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/further-insight-on-feminist-shaming-tactics/


I've seen some of the examples you're talking about. From the article you linked:

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If you’re familiar with men’s rights activism, then you’re probably familiar with feminist shaming tactics. It’s always the same, and it has remained the same for years:

You just hate women!
You are a rape apologist!
You can’t get laid!
You sound very bitter!
No woman would want to date you!
You are not a real man!
You’re afraid of strong women!
Stop whining!

Wherever MRAs, or even just random people who are questioning feminism and men’s issues, come into contact with feminists and white knights, there is almost a guarantee that the ones opposing the men’s rights movement will rely heavily on ad hominem arguments and other logical fallacies. It has already been established that there isn’t a legitimate argument supporting feminism’s case, because if there was, they would surely have used it be now, so their only method of defence is through use of such fallacies.


I don't know that this is their "only" method of defense. I've encountered examples of what you're talking about, but I think they tend to be the minority. You may be just getting distracted by the loudmouths while losing sight of more reasonable positions and arguments which might be expressed. I would suggest that it might be a more productive discussion if one ignores the ad hominem attacks and only examines the actual issues/arguments in question.

As a general rule, if you oppose a political position and only attack the weakest arguments or weakest advocates, then you may not get very far. Try to attack the strongest arguments first, and then you can throw in the double-standard card just as an aside (especially if your opponent gets flustered and starts throwing in the ad hominems you're referring to).

Part of the problem you're addressing is that there are overlapping double standards in society, and you may not be specific enough in your targeting. For example, virgin-shaming is more of a guy thing anyway. It seems it's more a holdover from more traditional views regarding the role(s) males are expected to take on. Sure, there might be some women who use it in the heat of argument, but it may not be indicative of their actual viewpoint on virginity. That kind of ad hominem only seems to work with the younger crowd anyway; people tend to outgrow it after a certain point (although some people never do).

My understanding is that the reason that feminists complain about slut-shaming is because it is considered a double-standard, since it is believed that men who are promiscuous are not shamed in the same way that women are shamed for the same behavior. It seems that your contention is that two wrongs don't make a right, that they shouldn't shame a man for being a virgin just because they don't like it when women are shamed for being sluts.

But I guess the question remains, how often does it actually happen (that feminists shame a man for being a virgin)? I don't think that any of the women in this thread have shamed anyone for being a virgin and the overall opinion here seems to be against virgin-shaming. Yes, it does happen; I've seen the examples you're talking about, but I don't think they're all that prevalent when looking at the overall debate.





crazyml -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 3:57:37 AM)

Zonie,

<tips hat>

Fair play to you for such a top quality response.




GotSteel -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 5:56:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81
Just a fast reply as I'm pretty tied up today. I'm not the only one who notices this.

http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/further-insight-on-feminist-shaming-tactics/


That's an anti-feminism propaganda piece. You might as well be citing a communist on how tea party members think, it would be equally valid.





naughtynick81 -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 1:32:17 PM)

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You're very confused, nick


Far from it. This is just a poor attempt from you trying to be condescending.

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I'm willing to work with you on this.


There is nothing to work on. You have your biased opinion and I have mine.

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By the way, you do have a tendency to do that yourself when you're angry, don't you think?


Ahhh the "angry" shaming tactic. So arguing with you and disagreeing with you equals being angry? lol I am actually laughing at your posts as you don't seem in touch with the reality.

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you should also be willing to look at how your own approach to communicating your (doubtless excellent) ideas might be failing somehow.


Again. blaming me for the sexist actions feminists are making.

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unwilling to confront the fact that your posting style may be partly the cause of your trouble.


Again. blaming me for the sexist actions feminists are making.

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There is a very logical answer that could explain why you end up being mistreated


There is no logical answer. I come up with an argument. I get ad hominem attacks back in return. This is no one's fault except the people who make these immature attacks because they can't argue the point. Again, you are trying to put blame on me for the sexist actions feminists are making.

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If, for example, you were a nasty little troll who just sets out to piss people off, who is so utterly lacking in self esteem that the only way you can eke any value out of your otherwise futile and pointless existence is by irritating strangers on the web then, sure - this would be your fault.


Even what you said right after this quote, it still seems you are subtlety indicating that I'm a nasty little troll, I lack self esteem, and the only way I can eke any value out of your otherwise futile and pointless existence is by irritating strangers on the web.

This shaming tactic is just as ridiculous as the "you can't get laid" shaming tactic.

So all of this for disagreeing and arguing with feminists? I am this or that [insert strawman here] simply because I disagree and argue with feminists. You have to be blind Freddy if you can't see the feminist bigotry.

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You seem to have issues with responding to questions


Only to questions that are irreverent to this topic. I am tired of people trying to shift the goalpost of this topic, this is why I am less inclined to answer their silly questions. But wait, all your posts are irrelevant in regards of this topic. As people like you so desperately try to make this about me instead of the feminists doing the wrong action. People seem to want to make the feminists doing the wrong action totally out of the picture and try to point all blame on me due to their bias.

So to the questions you asked, I will give one answer to all. There is no excuse, not one logical reason that exist, for a feminist to be sexist towards someone she disagrees with. You seem to be trying to make excuses for why it's okay for feminists to be sexist. You seem to indicate a lot that I'm a troll. For what? For disagreeing with feminists? So disagreeing with feminists equals being a troll. And for that, you seem to be indicating that it should be all given a pass that now feminists are allowed to be sexist.

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but we are trying to explore how your behaviour might provoke these actions.


But again, you are trying to make excuses for why it should be okay for feminists to be sexist. You are trying to point blame at me, You are trying to make this about me. You are trying to shift the goalpost of this discussion.

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I'm sure you'll have rolled your eyes when some pathetic little tosspot rocks up on a board with a reference to some piece of shitty pseudo-research (often hauled from one of those wacky ultra-biased websites - You know, like the one you got the article you cited from earlier) that claims to refute decades of evidence about one topic or another and then argues like an asshat when people challenge him on his idiocy?


You seem to think that anyone is a pathetic little tosspot who simply disagrees with the feminist stance on paygap, that's the problem, not me or anyone else simply citing the refutation. If you think Christina Hoff Sommers or the US department of labor is a biased source, I have to laugh.

But it seems in your feminist world, everything is wacky and ultra-biased when it opposes feminism. Can you see the irony in your stance?

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This cannot be answered as you've been unable, or unwilling, to provide links to the conversation in question. If you provide a link, I could provide a crystal clear explanation for you, I am certain.


For starters, in places like fetlife and feminist sites, these threads the majority of time get deleted. I could spend a lot of time digging up old threads which will be pointless and a waste of my time as people will still just simply disagree due to their bias. The fact of the matter is that if you haven't seen this happen, you must be living under a rock.

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The important thing is not to fall into the silly mistake of assuming that because you've met one asshat who claims to be a feminist, you can then infer that all feminists are asshats


I never said they all were, but there definitely are too many of them.

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You've expressed yourself poorly, leading people to the mistaken conclusion that you're an asshat.


lol look at your own posts, you keep expressing yourself poorly as you are constantly trying to shift the goalpost of the discussion. I put up an OP that is as clear as day. But people seem to be twisting this topic into another direction as for pointing it at me instead of the actual issue addressed in the topic. Which is typical whenever a male raises any such issues. The fact is that you are the one expressing yourself poorly towards this topic as you want to make the focus on me instead of what the topic is actually about. Then have the audacity to say that I express myself poorly when I get to a point of not bothering to answer questions that are totally irrelevant to this topic.

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Gosh, what sort of buffoon would say that everything is always the fault of the male?


You seem to be displaying this attitude in here. As you think the sexist actions feminists make is my fault. Also ask your feminist friends, I am sure plenty of them would be happy to tell you that patriarchy is to blame for nearly everything in the world as it's their favourite multipurpose scapegoat.

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And, wow... who would be soo foolish as to say that a male is even at fault for the sexist actions women make? Fuck me... point me to the posts where people have made these claims


Wow you don't even know what you post. Just read your own posts, the examples are all there. Even in this post alone, I have pointed it out. You seem to think my posts are an excuse for why feminists can be sexist.

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Can you see how this might be interpreted as an adhominem attack?


Not at all.

I just simply pointed out in other words that you may not be thinking clearly.

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are you going to answer the questions posed in this post.


I have but this is the last. You just keep asking me all these questions, mostly the same ones over and over, that are totally irrelevant to the actual discussion. Why should I keep answering questions that make no progress to what the actual OP is about? Again, the OP is not about me, it's about feminists being sexist. What part of this don't you understand? You seem to want to pull the exposure of feminists being sexist under the rug by trying to shift the focus and goalpost to a different direction.




Lucylastic -> RE: When it comes to feminism, slut shaming is bad, virgin shaming is great! (1/1/2013 2:03:54 PM)

By your simplified reasoning nick....

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ORIGINAL: naughtynick81

Again, how is this my fault? Come up with a logical answer, come up with a logical argument.
How is this my fault??? you are blaming feminists, not the person who said it???


I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE LOGICAL ANSWER TO HOW THE FLYING FUCK THIS IS MY FAULT.
How the flying fuck is it my fault, or Tazzys fault, Or Aylees fault, come to think of it how is it ANYONE heres fault??? This was a subject YOU are whinging about from another site.

How am I to blame for the actions other people are making?
How AM I to blame YOUR actions???

Does this mean if I am sexist, I can blame women for it? If I even attempted to, everyone would laugh at me. But nooo not a privileged woman.
Does this mean if I am sexist I can blame all men for it??? If I even attempted to every woman(and man) woud laugh at me(but YOU expect answers)

So let's say I complain about the pay gap lie, a feminist responds in saying "I can't get laid".
SO lets just say I complain about the teen pregnancy figures, a sexist responds your're all sluts, cant keep your legs closed

How exactly (IN LOGICAL DETAIL) am I at fault for this immature ad hominem attack? Is there any logical and intelligent answer? I think not.

HOW exactly in logical detail, am I at fault for this humungous pile of bullshit you keep spouting? Is there an intelligent answer? well we would all arrive at the same response to you... a resounding NO
How am I to blame for her sexism?
You are only to blame for your OWN sexism

How am I to blame for anything that comes out of her mouth or what she types up on the keyboard? Do I have control over what a feminist says? How exactly am I responsible?
Why AM I responsible for what she typed on another site about another man?

This is laughable. No its fucking annoying that you cant see your own flaws

Why is it that everything is always the fault of the male? A male is even at fault for the sexist actions women make. How laughable is that?
You are the one whinging about it... you are the one having to try to prove your point not her, take responsibility for your own verbal/typed BS


So you are saying we should treat women like children? As for not hold women responsible for what they choose to type or say? It's all the men's fault?
AD hominem
ROFL

I can't believe you people are serious. It would be really interesting to really know what's going through your mind. It seems to be full of custard.

So the conclusion is that we should treat women like children. They aren't responsible for anything sexist they say. It's all the fault of men.

We will settle for this? I am happy to agree to disagree as this is just a total waste of time. You seem a million miles out of touch with reality.

Let's say if you are fat. You come here complaining about any world issue that exist. I respond to you saying, "haha you're a fatty" Using your logic, this would mean that this is your fault, not mine. It's all your fault for why I randomly just came up with an immature ad hominem attack about your weight that has nothing to do at all with your topic.

Hey, don't tell me I am wrong for thinking this way, I am going by your rules. Yeah there is the disconnect, Houston we have found the problem, we gonna have to trash it tho, its NOT functioning correctly


Remember when you mentioned the slut walks? you completely ignored my response, why is that?? Im going to post it again... see if it "jogs" your memory...
Actually, what you see, is women who oppose being called sluts for the way they dress... organizing to protest against being called sluts.
Now they don't sit around and excoriate all men for calling them sluts, they protest against the ones who do.
Some women also object to being called bitches, slags, whores, cunts, twats, bitches, just for being a female.
Or being female with an attitude, unless they are into that (in the bedroom or out of it, by their lovers etc)

If you aren't going to do anything but whinge that all women who dislike what you have to say about them are feminists, and its JUST NOT FAIR, then people are just gonna treat you like they do anyone else who goes on about feminist this or feminist that, or "all" men are pigs, "all" men are rapists, and tell you you are flat out wrong and to get a control of yourself, tell you to look in the bloody mirror and realise it may be YOUR attitude needs adjusting , OR get off your ass and do something to change it.

Ill bet you haven't done ONE thing about the lack of male domestic violence shelters ?
Me thinks you have a small problem that you are trying to blame on the females of the species, and enjoy the "humiliation"
If you cant deal with it, dont dish it.











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