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Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:16:06 AM   
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I have a delimma and I really need some help with this.

I met a Dom a few months back and we hit it off the day we met.  We live a couple hours from each other but when ever I can, I make a trip to stay with him.  We've had a few rough patches but nothing too serious.  Well last week he has decided to stop smoking and has fallen into this spell of depression.  He barely talks to me and hardly calls anymore.  I am not used to this as I am used to a call at least once a day.  I have tried talking to him about it but he doesn't seem to even understand whats wrong with him.   His mood is now affecting me.  I can't seem to do anything to cheer him up.  When I call he doesn't answer and when I do get him on the phone its usually alot of dead silence and then he makes an excuse to have to leave after 15 mins.  I am at my end.  I care about him and I have tried to show him that.  I don't want to give up on him but I am crying myself to sleep at night because I feel like he doesn't want me.  So should I stick it out for a while? Hopefully this depression will subside or should I go? I am wondering if stepping back from being his sub will decrease his stress and responsibility.  I am so lost.  Someone please help me.
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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:23:53 AM   
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As a Long term smoker Myself, I Know how hard trying to quit can be, But support and Help from those you care about DOES make a diffrence, I would Ask you to Please bear with It a Little Longer, (I Know its hard On you as well)

You didn't say How Long ago he quit, But the Depression and Stress of the Body detoxifying from Nicotene withdrawls Can take a Few weeks to be truly over

But If I may caution as well, Meeting him right now is NOT the best advice, Unless its as a friend, I Know the times I tried to Quit, My temper flared Rather quickly and Was pretty strong, so Being Bound and paddled (or whatever) Is NOT a good Position to Place yourself In right now

Not that hes a Violent Person, But the Sedative effects of Long term Addiction Make emotions hard to control Once thats gone

I do empathize with How you feel tho and I Hope it works out for the best for BOTH of you

And Please Keep Us Informed of how things go,and the final Decision you make

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:23:53 AM   
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Let go.  He is going through withdrawal, his mood is going to swing back and forth.  I realize the need to sally forth on the submissives white horse is quite strong but you aren't going to rescue him.  Only he can rescue (in fact true of all people) himself from this.  If he asks for support, give it to him, wouldn't even hurt to drop him an email that is short and clear.  

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I am proud of you for trying to quit smoking and I realize it is a difficult process.  I care for you and if and when you need support, just let me know.  In the meantime know you are in my thoughts.
 

His moods are not about you, they are about him and his addiction.  Let go.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:25:09 AM   
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I would step back and give him some breathing room. Give him some time and see how he reacts. I've never heard of anyone falling into depression from ceasing to smoke, it is possible though I suppose. Maybe you should let him call you and that way you will know he is in the mood to talk and is reaching out.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:37:46 AM   
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I think emotionally you need to take a step back, as you're obviously being hurt by his inability to be there for you right now.

That said, I don't think you should give up on him.  He needs all the support he can get right now, and he may not be able to handle managing your happiness as well as battling this right now.

I would recommend sending him encouraging emails.  Asking him how he's doing. What he did that day.. etc.  Things that show you care, but word them in a non-selfseeking way.  Right now, I think he needs you to be all about him, selfless.

Be careful with your heart during this.  He may find that he no longer desires BDSM, or he may no longer desire you at the end of this journey.  Its highly unlikely, but it is possible.  How you handle this, will show to him how valuable he is to you. 


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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:38:09 AM   
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I quit smoking about 18 months ago cold turkey. There are a bunch of symptoms we get when we stop ingesting nicotine, such as we feel sluggish, tired, depressed, sick to our stomach, headache, Diarrhea , constipation, slowed down reaction time, the way we metabolize food changes. We can have insomnia. It is a hard patch you master has hit, I would try to stay aloof but available if he needs to talk to you, don't pressure.. and do not take this personally.

I would perhaps email him or call him and tell him that you feel he needs space at this time and want to honor that.

Good luck

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:38:53 AM   
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That is a decision only you can make, just how long can YOU cope with the way you are being treated?

One old adage I've found to hold true time and time again, "You can't help those who won't help themselves"


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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:45:28 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lashra

I would step back and give him some breathing room. Give him some time and see how he reacts. I've never heard of anyone falling into depression from ceasing to smoke, it is possible though I suppose. Maybe you should let him call you and that way you will know he is in the mood to talk and is reaching out.

Good luck,

~Lashra


Not only possible, but likely. Cigs are filled with 1000s of chemicals that bathe the brain like a soup. The effect the neuro pathways of our brains. Basically smoking releases the neurotransmitter called dopamine, which in turn gives us a pleasant relaxed feeling. Basically it rewards your brain and that is why cigs are so addictive. Once you stop smoking it can take up to three months for your brain activity to feel normal. Cravings are your body's way of trying to convince you to give your brain an unearned reward. Most people that quit smoking after doing it for decades suffer some depression... at least everyone I have talked to that has done it. It is one of the hardest hurdles I ever got through. Anyone who quits should be proud of themselves.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:52:27 AM   
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This happened just last week?  Good grief - give it a little time.  People go through ups and downs in life.  That is perfectly normal.  It can't be fairy tales and butterflies all the time.

Yes, this is a little harsh, but I've waited through months and years of hard times with various people. (Including 10 years as a caregiver to my disabled husband.)  I find it absurd that you are complaining about something going on for a little more than a week.  And something that is for a good cause.  Quitting smoking is a great thing, so quit moping and at least try to be supportive instead of thinking about cutting and running.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:55:43 AM   
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To the OP

When a person quits smoking they can go through a ton of different symptoms.  A common one of those is depression, among other things.  I would give him a little bit of breathing room.  After a few days, the withdrawals symptoms will have most likely passed.  It is documented to take approximately 72 hours for the body to cleanse itself of the nicotine and the symptoms of withdrawing from that drug.  This is not to say his battle with resisting cigs will be nearly over, however the physical symptoms should subside.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 1:45:20 PM   
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You are both apparently in a "Dom/sub" relationship and its not become perminent.
You obviously care for them lots and your own insecurity fears are showing threw.
We here cannot tell or suggest to you what to do.
My suggestion. Be there for him and let him know you are not going anyplace.
Again it also depends on how long its been since he quit smoking..


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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 1:50:02 PM   
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When I quit smoking, a long time ago, I was crabby and prolly somewhat unstable.  Give it a bit of time.  Stay out of his way for awhile and let him come to grips with it hinself.  But, let him know that you are there for him, if he needs/wants you.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 3:48:03 PM   
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If I go it could be trouble....and if I stay it could be double...

So, I gotta to let you know,,should I stay or should I go?

Now, who sings that song?

Besides the answer to the question....Stay!

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 4:06:02 PM   
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quote:

he has decided to stop smoking and has fallen into this spell of depression.


If it was my sub, I would hope she would be happy I'm trying to quit and kind of understand that I'm in withdrawal and that is why I'm acting the way I am.

As time goes on it should get better and eventually he should come back to his normal self.  It is just a side effect of nicotine withdrawl., hang in there for 2 weeks and see what happens.

CrappyDom,  I would guess you never have smoked or never tried to stop, one or the other or both.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 4:25:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: kickinchick

If I go it could be trouble....and if I stay it could be double...

So, I gotta to let you know,,should I stay or should I go?

Now, who sings that song?

Besides the answer to the question....Stay!


The Clash

To the OP

His actins are not because of you, try not to take it personally (I know it can be hard),  upir just goping to need to give him some space and a little time to clear out his system and adjust.. If you truly care about him that shouldn't be a problem.  Have you written him an email telling him how you feel and asking how the two of you can work through this?

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 5:59:39 PM   
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Quitting is still losing something he valued, a good cig.  I speak as an individual that quit cold turkey over 11 years ago.  I still want one lol and it will always be.  Now i speak as someone who works with grief professionally.  Grief is the loss of anything one valued from a death, job loss, divorce and yes even smoking.  While he choose to quit he still has much grieving to do which can and frequently does involve depression, anger, bartering and even denial.  Only he can go through this and make decisions while you have to decide if you wish to continue to be part of his life.  I have no doubt that your leaving would also cause grief reaction but that is your decision to be made by you for your welfare.  As far as anger and safety are concerned i agree that being bound by a potentially angry out of control Dom would not be my recomendation.  You need to take care of you first then if you can be his friend and not his sub right now.  Hopefully this will give you a few ideas but in the end we A/all must take care of our own welfare and if we do unsafe things we are not practicing healthy BDSM.  Good luck.

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 6:51:01 PM   
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Thank you all for your answers.

I think sometimes its hard to full relay the entire details of a relationship on a board without pulling out personal information that really has no business in the public eye.  I tried my best to be as discreet and concise as I could but unfortunately I think I may have oversimplified my issue.  He quit last week but his mood as made a sharp 180, to the point that I feel I hardly recognized him.  I am cutting out on him because of just a slight mood adjustment.  I care for him more than that.  But as someone stated earlier, its a situation I need to evalute the pros and cons of.  I just wanted to get some points of view from a third party source.  Sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees. 

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 7:24:30 PM   
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sugga, I locked myself into my room for the first three days I had no ciggies, and it only got marginally better up to the first month without them. I really do not know your whole situation, but I can tell you I was 180 degrees different than myself. I verbally attacked my son and my mother the first week... I was trying to set myself up to fail and blame them for it... I stopped in the middle of my tirade, but I still behaved very poorly. I think he would probably like to gain control over himself before he tries to show himself to you.

If you are thinking it is some other issue and he is dumping you, then I recommend backing away and letting him pursue you when he is ready. If it is the ciggies and he is into you, he will be back...smiles

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 7:27:22 PM   
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Thank you miss juliaoceana,  I really appreciate your advice :)

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RE: Should I stay or should I go? - 6/18/2006 10:01:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: suggababy23

Thank you all for your answers.

I think sometimes its hard to full relay the entire details of a relationship on a board without pulling out personal information that really has no business in the public eye.  I tried my best to be as discreet and concise as I could but unfortunately I think I may have oversimplified my issue.  He quit last week but his mood as made a sharp 180, to the point that I feel I hardly recognized him.  I am cutting out on him because of just a slight mood adjustment.  I care for him more than that.  But as someone stated earlier, its a situation I need to evalute the pros and cons of.  I just wanted to get some points of view from a third party source.  Sometimes you can't see the forest through the trees. 



Whenever I see one of these threads I spend the whole time reading wondering about what you now allude to in this latter post--The Rest of the Story. I also wonder how different the account would be from the point of view of the person who almost always seems to be painted as the villian. That is to say: the other guy.

Moreover, I marvel at the willingness of so many posters to stand in judgement of a situation about which their knowledge is so scanty and so biased (and I'm grateful for those who chime in with cautious care.)

But what the hell, I'll give it a try and maybe someone will marvel at me:

One possibility is that he may be a gutless jerk who has tired of you and can't be bothered to quit you honorably. Another possibility (among many more) is that you are right and he has disease, called Depression, which is now in an acute outbreak.

Do you believe in the man enough to reject the gutless jerk hypothesis out of hand? If not, then leaving sounds prudent.

Would you leave this person if his arthritis flared up and he couldn't get physical with you for a week, or if he had to spend the last week suddenly re-arranging his life to battle a tumor? If you're that sort of submissive then once again I think it would be well to move on here.

His issue may be about the smoking or it may be unrelated; coincidental. In any case, I wouldn't wish on anyone a partner who after a mere week of what she herself figures is a medical difficulty, would start a forum thread called "Should I stay or should I go."

If you had a disease which either mechanically or chemically kept you away from the phone for a week, how would you like your partner to respond?

I'd strongly advise abandoning a set of ill-informed strangers (the other posters and I) as your source of guidance. Yes. I'm saying don't read the rest of this paragraph. Log off and go talk to people you know and trust. Tell them the whole story insofar as you are able to without breaking trust. Just being heard out might help you weather this tough spot.

Not logged off yet? Then close this window and do a little research on smoking cessation and on depression--if that's what you think he has.

If nothing else, sugga, spend as much of each day thinking about what attracted you to him and what you've given each other as you spend fretting and imagining dire outcomes. The mind is a powerful thing. You don't have to hang on a cross for this guy if being with him would simply be intolerable for you (unless you have a very particular sort of S&M thing going.) If it is time to go, leave--with grace. But I think you owe it to yourself even more than to him to be fully present if you're present at all, and as soon as the situation allows it I'd like to see you have a nice long, calm talk with him about how all of this has affected you. I say this because however big a deal this is for him, he needs and deserves to know--no drama required--that it has been a huge deal for you too.

Good luck.

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