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So, we are back to my original point... men are their own solutions. Any DV victim should leave... in any way they can. For a woman, its a much harder task sometimes. For many men, its simply getting up and walking out the door.

Any DV victim *should* leave, but plenty don't, and not just because of the more obvious physical or material reasons (they might get beaten up further, or will have no money). They'll stay because they've become so demoralised. They 'deserve the punishment' because they're 'so bad' and 'so useless'. I think that's the real pits, for me, if I see signs of that on a someone's partner's face.

That kind of abuse, and that kind of result, would cut very easily across gender lines, I'd imagine. Whether the man in the video acted that part well, though, is difficult to for me to say.

Which is why I didnt say all. The common denominators are the abuse, in all forms. The cure.. awareness of not only society, but the victims as well. The only way to bring about the cure is reporting.
I pointed out the differences because repeatedly Nick and Chester keep bringing up that the abuse is exactly the same... its not. There are differences. If a woman wants to leave, she will have a far harder time than a man with the same desire to leave.

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I never said it was the same, I've agreed that men can do more physical damage. I just don't think that men should always be assumed to be the abusers and that male victims should have more support. I definitely agree with the part in bold. Society needs to be aware that this is a two-way problem, and male victims need to be taken more seriously when they do report it. It's thanks to people assuming that domestic violence is only a male on female problem, and thanks to sexist attitudes such as the ones of the cop in the video that they don't.

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So, we are back to my original point... men are their own solutions.

Tazzy, the women in that video could have just left too. They didn't seem trapped or cornered.

But what a surprise, people will make up any dodgy excuse under the sun for why "it's always the man's fault" "it's always the man's fault" "it's always the man's fault" "it's always the man's fault"... it can never be the bloody fault of women.

Women are perfect princesses who can never be at fault or wrong.

This is why I call you a bigot because in your world nothing is ever the fault of women.

But it's not only you that has this mentality, this is a conditioned social mindset.

AGAIN, I'm curious to know, when it comes to gender issues, when are women ever placed in blame, not necessarily entirely to blame, for the problems? I'm even more curious to know what feminists say compared to others.

Is any fucking thing ever the woman's fault?

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Tazzy, what's the point of debating with an opponent that thinks everything is the man's fault? It's a lost cause.

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no where did I ever once say it was all the man's fault.

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Tazzy, what's the point of debating with an opponent that thinks everything is the man's fault? It's a lost cause.

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no where did I ever once say it was all the man's fault.

Well let's see, "So, we are back to my original point... men are their own solutions."

It's all there for all of us to see.

But not only that, one only has to look at the rest of your posts in this thread.

You can deny your own making all you want. But I see it how it is.

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Just imagine how well it would go if I went around blaming female victims. The "victim blaming" saying seems to be a huge trigger warning in the feminist movement. But not so much of a trigger warning when the blame is on men lol.

Gotta larf at the obvious double standard.

There is no point debating with people who are dead set biased.