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then if I said that your claim that the increase in abortions along with banning lead was wrong if I had called it a lie you would have been in no way offended

I offered up the source, copied and pasted word for word. If you have an issue with it, your issue is with those people, not me. I didnt twist their words, as you have done with mine.

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I didn't because when I say someone is liying it means they are a liar and though I am sure you were wrong on that point I didn't think you were lying thats the difference I think you can be wrong without being a Liar you seem to think that wrong = lie

Definition....

1
: to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2
: to create a false or misleading impression

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/lie

That is what you did with my statements and positions. I called you no names.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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but if the government ever wanted to round them up they sure would know where to go and get em.

But, according to many, that is exactly what the government wants to do. So, whats stopping them?

NRA, GOA, JPFO...

If the government wanted them, surely, according to many of you, even those organizations wouldnt stop them.

So, again, what is preventing the government from rounding them up?

Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.


Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

Yes, I know we're not talking about banning all guns, were talking about all modern guns. Call me an ultra right wing whacko tin foil hat wearing nut job if ya want but as far as I'm concerned this whole gun control dialog stinks. It's illogical and unenforceable with our current law enforcement resources.

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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but if the government ever wanted to round them up they sure would know where to go and get em.

But, according to many, that is exactly what the government wants to do. So, whats stopping them?

NRA, GOA, JPFO...

If the government wanted them, surely, according to many of you, even those organizations wouldnt stop them.

So, again, what is preventing the government from rounding them up?

Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.


Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

Yes, I know we're not talking about banning all guns, were talking about all modern guns. Call me an ultra right wing whacko tin foil hat wearing nut job if ya want but as far as I'm concerned this whole gun control dialog stinks. It's illogical and unenforceable with our current law enforcement resources.

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Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

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The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.

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Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

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California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

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The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

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To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

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then it would be fair to say your abortion/ lead comment was a lie since it can very easily be proven false

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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but if the government ever wanted to round them up they sure would know where to go and get em.

But, according to many, that is exactly what the government wants to do. So, whats stopping them?

NRA, GOA, JPFO...

If the government wanted them, surely, according to many of you, even those organizations wouldnt stop them.

So, again, what is preventing the government from rounding them up?

Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.


Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

Yes, I know we're not talking about banning all guns, were talking about all modern guns. Call me an ultra right wing whacko tin foil hat wearing nut job if ya want but as far as I'm concerned this whole gun control dialog stinks. It's illogical and unenforceable with our current law enforcement resources.

do you remember what lexiton and concord were fought over?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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then it would be fair to say your abortion/ lead comment was a lie since it can very easily be proven false

The start a thread about it and prove its false. But, remember, it wasnt my comment, instead, it was a source....

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Yachtie

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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but if the government ever wanted to round them up they sure would know where to go and get em.

But, according to many, that is exactly what the government wants to do. So, whats stopping them?

NRA, GOA, JPFO...

If the government wanted them, surely, according to many of you, even those organizations wouldnt stop them.

So, again, what is preventing the government from rounding them up?

Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.


Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

Yes, I know we're not talking about banning all guns, were talking about all modern guns. Call me an ultra right wing whacko tin foil hat wearing nut job if ya want but as far as I'm concerned this whole gun control dialog stinks. It's illogical and unenforceable with our current law enforcement resources.

do you remember what lexiton and concord were fought over?

Yes, I remember what Lexington and Concord were all about. They may have influenced the authors of the 2nd amendment.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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then it would be fair to say your abortion/ lead comment was a lie since it can very easily be proven false

The start a thread about it and prove its false. But, remember, it wasnt my comment, instead, it was a source....

your source was totally wrong but it isn't worth starting a new thread over you seem to be the only one who bought this but I may do some research and start it anyway

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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then it would be fair to say your abortion/ lead comment was a lie since it can very easily be proven false

The start a thread about it and prove its false. But, remember, it wasnt my comment, instead, it was a source....

your source was totally wrong but it isn't worth starting a new thread over you seem to be the only one who bought this but I may do some research and start it anyway

Every time you are called on your bullshit, that is your fall back position.

LOL

so typical

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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then it would be fair to say your abortion/ lead comment was a lie since it can very easily be proven false

The start a thread about it and prove its false. But, remember, it wasnt my comment, instead, it was a source....

your source was totally wrong but it isn't worth starting a new thread over you seem to be the only one who bought this but I may do some research and start it anyway

Every time you are called on your bullshit, that is your fall back position.

LOL

so typical

But, honestly, why bother posting that? We both know you wont do it.

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Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

I agree with that.. many politicians and the public in general do not agree with confiscating weapons.

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The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.

All legally, if I recall correctly, and quite above board. Yet, I have seen no bills being proposed that even come close to the laws passes in those countries.

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Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

"Violence is a national issue," said New York City Police Commissioner Lee Brown. "We recognize violence is something that can happen in any city, large and small."

Mr. Brown led a meeting with mayors from large- and medium-sized cities and a half-dozen chiefs of police on ways to control potential unrest this summer and longer-term methods to reverse increasingly violent urban crime.

The mayors and chiefs said they support enactment of the federal Brady Bill, which calls for a five-day waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. They also urged a complete ban on the sale, importation, and possession of automatic or semiautomatic assault weapons.

Brown, who formerly was police chief in Houston, the meeting's host city, said the police executives agreed with mayors that each community must take its own steps to prevent excessive force by police officers.

It was the force that Los Angeles police officers used against motorist Rodney King, whose beating was captured on videotape, that riveted the nation and triggered outrage that led to rioting when the officers were acquitted of most charges.

http://www.csmonitor.com/1992/0622/22092.html

Has no one appealed this? From what I can ascertain, guns are not illegal... they are just tightly controlled.

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California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

“If I could have banned them all – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!” —California Senator Diane Feinstein, appearing on NBC News’ 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995

Yet, she didnt, which means even she knows she cannot.

More recently, California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles (SKS Sporters)

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_registration.html

Thats one nasty looking gun. So it was only that one that was revoked?

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The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

Good that those people got them back. That still does not signify a national ban on guns.

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To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

I didnt see the confiscation part of Feinstein's bill. Please point it out to me.

Is being reimbursed now confiscation? From my understanding its only a limited number of guns across a wide spectrum of available weapons. Would there be something that prevents you from using the reimbursement towards buying another legal weapon?

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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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Popular support for one thing, not all police agencies are in favor of gun banning especially the rural ones. These guys have guns of their own. Even the ones that favor some of the gun control being proposed won't look forward to being the ones going door to door.

I agree with that.. many politicians and the public in general do not agree with confiscating weapons.

quote:

The notion of gun confiscation is not some outer space Alex Jones whack job conspiracy theory. Its historical precedent, and it's not just the mass murdering whack jobs Hitler Stalin and Mao. In recent years registered guns have been seized in New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK.

All legally, if I recall correctly, and quite above board. Yet, I have seen no bills being proposed that even come close to the laws passes in those countries.

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Even in the United States, registration has been used to outlaw and confiscate firearms. In New York City, a registration system enacted in 1967 for long guns, was used in the early 1990s to confiscate lawfully owned semiautomatic rifles and shotguns. The New York City Council banned firearms that had been classified by the city as "assault weapons." This was done despite the testimony of Police Commissioner Lee Brown that no registered "assault weapon" had been used in a violent crime in the city. The 2,340 New Yorkers who had registered their firearms were notified that these firearms had to be surrendered, rendered inoperable, or taken out of the city.

"Violence is a national issue," said New York City Police Commissioner Lee Brown. "We recognize violence is something that can happen in any city, large and small."

Mr. Brown led a meeting with mayors from large- and medium-sized cities and a half-dozen chiefs of police on ways to control potential unrest this summer and longer-term methods to reverse increasingly violent urban crime.

The mayors and chiefs said they support enactment of the federal Brady Bill, which calls for a five-day waiting period before the purchase of a handgun. They also urged a complete ban on the sale, importation, and possession of automatic or semiautomatic assault weapons.

Brown, who formerly was police chief in Houston, the meeting's host city, said the police executives agreed with mayors that each community must take its own steps to prevent excessive force by police officers.

It was the force that Los Angeles police officers used against motorist Rodney King, whose beating was captured on videotape, that riveted the nation and triggered outrage that led to rioting when the officers were acquitted of most charges.

http://www.csmonitor.com/1992/0622/22092.html

Has no one appealed this? From what I can ascertain, guns are not illegal... they are just tightly controlled.

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California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles. Those who registered their guns during that period were sent letters requiring them to turn them in.

“If I could have banned them all – ‘Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns’ – I would have!” —California Senator Diane Feinstein, appearing on NBC News’ 60 Minutes, February 5, 1995

Yet, she didnt, which means even she knows she cannot.

More recently, California revoked a grace period for the registration of certain rifles (SKS Sporters)

http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_registration.html

Thats one nasty looking gun. So it was only that one that was revoked?

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The most brazen confiscation of all was in New Orleans post Katrina. The crowning jewel of ignorance "Chocolate" Mayor Naygan and his equally ignoramus police chief side kick sent out their goon squads to round up guns in affected and unaffected neighborhoods. They also had help from elements of the National Guard. After 3 years a law suite was settled requiring the guns be returned.

Good that those people got them back. That still does not signify a national ban on guns.

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To top all that off we have Governor Cuomo and Senator Fienstien calling for confiscation. And we're supposed to trust these people to keep their word. They tell us we're paranoid to appose registration yet as you can see, anything can happen in politics.

I didnt see the confiscation part of Feinstein's bill. Please point it out to me.

Is being reimbursed now confiscation? From my understanding its only a limited number of guns across a wide spectrum of available weapons. Would there be something that prevents you from using the reimbursement towards buying another legal weapon?

"All legally........and quite above board." How nice and tidy.



" I have seen no bills being proposed that even come close to the laws passes in those countries." I'm afraid they are the same because prior to the confiscatory gun bans registration schemes were passed. The prerequisite to confiscation is registration. Maybe you trust these guys, I certainly don't.


You think the SKS is a nasty looking gun ? It has a limited 10 round fixed magazine with some exceptions I won't get into but a sporter is a hunting rifle and will likely have to use an available magazine plug to limit it to 5. There were many other models registered during the grace period.


The New Orleans situation should have never happened in the first place. It was illegal and uncalled for. See what can happen when a few crooked politicians and a police chief get out of control. What the fuck on that one.

"I didnt see the confiscation part of Feinstein's bill. Please point it out to me."

She would be the first one to go back on her word should we register our guns. I don't trust the bitch.


"Is being reimbursed now confiscation? From my understanding its only a limited number of guns across a wide spectrum of available weapons. Would there be something that prevents you from using the reimbursement towards buying another legal weapon?" Your kidding right ? I'm not selling. I don't care what Fienstien or anyone else thinks. And the guns being proposed for banning does cover a wide spectrum. Now that the guns under the ban proposals have literally doubled in price, why would I want their measly reimbursement ?

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then it would be fair to say your abortion/ lead comment was a lie since it can very easily be proven false

The start a thread about it and prove its false. But, remember, it wasnt my comment, instead, it was a source....

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Has this become "Poster X" vs tazzy verse 1209584? I mean this is the most common thread derail on the boards. And the longest song in history.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Has this become "Poster X" vs tazzy verse 1209584? I mean this is the most common thread derail on the boards. And the longest song in history.

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"All legally........and quite above board." How nice and tidy.

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" I have seen no bills being proposed that even come close to the laws passes in those countries." I'm afraid they are the same because prior to the confiscatory gun bans registration schemes were passed. The prerequisite to confiscation is registration. Maybe you trust these guys, I certainly don't.

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You think the SKS is a nasty looking gun ? It has a limited 10 round fixed magazine with some exceptions I won't get into but a sporter is a hunting rifle and will likely have to use an available magazine plug to limit it to 5. There were many other models registered during the grace period.

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The New Orleans situation should have never happened in the first place. It was illegal and uncalled for. See what can happen when a few crooked politicians and a police chief get out of control. What the fuck on that one.

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"I didnt see the confiscation part of Feinstein's bill. Please point it out to me."

She would be the first one to go back on her word should we register our guns. I don't trust the bitch.

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"Is being reimbursed now confiscation? From my understanding its only a limited number of guns across a wide spectrum of available weapons. Would there be something that prevents you from using the reimbursement towards buying another legal weapon?" Your kidding right ? I'm not selling. I don't care what Fienstien or anyone else thinks. And the guns being proposed for banning does cover a wide spectrum. Now that the guns under the ban proposals have literally doubled in price, why would I want their measly reimbursement ?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Has this become "Poster X" vs tazzy verse 1209584? I mean this is the most common thread derail on the boards. And the longest song in history.