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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 8:57:06 AM   
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If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

I'm all for it but don't you think we should also ban alcohol ? Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.s.deaths a year

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UO7yW7ayz8A

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 8:59:40 AM   
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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 8:59:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

I'm all for it but don't you think we should also ban alcohol ? Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.s.deaths a year

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UO7yW7ayz8A

even too much oxygen can kill (ask Gus Grissim) so lets just ban everything

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:00:25 AM   
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which in no way undermines the original post


Someone recently posted a study about criminals in prison. Part of it was how they decided who their "victim" was going to be. And overwhelming number stated they preferred to break in during the day when no one was home. The reason? Gun owners. How did they find out who was at home? This is but one of the ways.

That would imply (not show, just imply) that this guy was a career criminal.

Also, she was apparently behind 2 locked doors and on the phone talking. It's unlikely at that point the guy still thought the house was unoccupied.

Career criminal, hears woman behind a locked door, this won't end well.

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:00:57 AM   
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The last time you guys tried that one it caused a lot more problems than it solved...

back to the innocent rebeling when penalized for others crimes

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:02:05 AM   
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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:02:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

I'm all for it but don't you think we should also ban alcohol ? Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.s.deaths a year

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UO7yW7ayz8A


Can you really protect people from themselves?

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Excessive alcohol consumption is the third leading cause of preventable death in the United States after tobacco use and poor eating and exercise habits.


We have to accept that not everyone will do what is best for themselves... but you would rail against someone who beat their kids in an drunken stupor. Yet, children die each year from guns just left within their reach.

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:02:42 AM   
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which in no way undermines the original post


Someone recently posted a study about criminals in prison. Part of it was how they decided who their "victim" was going to be. And overwhelming number stated they preferred to break in during the day when no one was home. The reason? Gun owners. How did they find out who was at home? This is but one of the ways.

That would imply (not show, just imply) that this guy was a career criminal.

Also, she was apparently behind 2 locked doors and on the phone talking. It's unlikely at that point the guy still thought the house was unoccupied.

Career criminal, hears woman behind a locked door, this won't end well.

it didn't they say he is going to live she needed more rounds in her gun

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:05:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

I'm all for it but don't you think we should also ban alcohol ? Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.s.deaths a year

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UO7yW7ayz8A


Can you really protect people from themselves?

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Excessive alcohol consumption is the third leading cause of preventable death in the United States after tobacco use and poor eating and exercise habits.


We have to accept that not everyone will do what is best for themselves... but you would rail against someone who beat their kids in an drunken stupor. Yet, children die each year from guns just left within their reach.

funny my kid and none of the kids I have taught gun safty to have ever messed with a gun just because it was lying around
step one being demistifiyng guns

ps still wish I could type

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:08:33 AM   
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which in no way undermines the original post


Someone recently posted a study about criminals in prison. Part of it was how they decided who their "victim" was going to be. And overwhelming number stated they preferred to break in during the day when no one was home. The reason? Gun owners. How did they find out who was at home? This is but one of the ways.

That would imply (not show, just imply) that this guy was a career criminal.

Also, she was apparently behind 2 locked doors and on the phone talking. It's unlikely at that point the guy still thought the house was unoccupied.

Career criminal, hears woman behind a locked door, this won't end well.


Possibly. Then again, we dont know where in the house she was.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Its a two story house. She could as easily been upstairs at the time. We simply do not know. Its a big house.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260185/Melinda-Herman-911-hears-moment-mother-shot-home-intruder-times-trying-protect-year-old-twins.html

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:08:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MariaB


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

If you want to ban something that kills innocent people, ban cigarettes.
http://www.livescience.com/23562-secondhand-smoke-kills-nonsmokders.html
"How many Americans die from smoking without even lighting up a cigarette? More than 42,000 people a year, including 900 infants,"

I'm all for it but don't you think we should also ban alcohol ? Alcohol linked to 75,000 U.s.deaths a year

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6089353/ns/health-addictions/t/alcohol-linked-us-deaths-year/#.UO7yW7ayz8A

It's kind of my point.
We have people raising all sorts of hysteria to ban something that kills less than 350 people/year (probably WAY less) and ignore stuff that kills tens or hundreds of thousands.

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:11:59 AM   
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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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which in no way undermines the original post


Someone recently posted a study about criminals in prison. Part of it was how they decided who their "victim" was going to be. And overwhelming number stated they preferred to break in during the day when no one was home. The reason? Gun owners. How did they find out who was at home? This is but one of the ways.

That would imply (not show, just imply) that this guy was a career criminal.

Also, she was apparently behind 2 locked doors and on the phone talking. It's unlikely at that point the guy still thought the house was unoccupied.

Career criminal, hears woman behind a locked door, this won't end well.


Possibly. Then again, we dont know where in the house she was.

Herman was working from home Friday when she saw a man walk up to the front door. She told police he rang the doorbell twice and then over and over again. He went back to his SUV, got something out and walked back toward the house, a police report said.

Its a two story house. She could as easily been upstairs at the time. We simply do not know. Its a big house.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2260185/Melinda-Herman-911-hears-moment-mother-shot-home-intruder-times-trying-protect-year-old-twins.html

My point is that she was behind 2 locked doors and he still got to her.
Wouldn't it be safe to assume that a locked BR door means someone is behind it and a locked bathroom door means the same?
Is it likely that she was on the phone with her husband and he couldn't hear her while he was getting thru those locks?

How likely is it that he broke into the house after loot but changed his mind and decided he was after HER?

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:12:01 AM   
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funny my kid and none of the kids I have taught gun safty to have ever messed with a gun just because it was lying around
step one being demistifiyng guns

ps still wish I could type


http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/mercer-boy-7-dies-after-fathers-gun-goes-off-665617/#ixzz2GpbuzzLO

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/2-year-old-boy-shot-killed-himself-fathers-gun/nTg7s/

This one's father is a cop.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-grieving-miracle-baby-died-birth-shoots-father-gun-article-1.1161459

So dont try and pass it off as it doesnt happen. It does.

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:19:17 AM   
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My point is that she was behind 2 locked doors and he still got to her.
Wouldn't it be safe to assume that a locked BR door means someone is behind it and a locked bathroom door means the same?
Is it likely that she was on the phone with her husband and he couldn't hear her while he was getting thru those locks?

How likely is it that he broke into the house after loot but changed his mind and decided he was after HER?


Not likely at all. If he wanted her, he wouldnt have gone back to his car to get the crow bar he needed to break into the house, he would have had it with him. Burglars ring or knock.. if someone is home, they try to determine the risk, or make an excuse and leave.

In this day and age, no one knows what weapons someone has. Burglars was loot... not people.



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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:28:36 AM   
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funny my kid and none of the kids I have taught gun safty to have ever messed with a gun just because it was lying around
step one being demistifiyng guns

ps still wish I could type


http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/local/region/mercer-boy-7-dies-after-fathers-gun-goes-off-665617/#ixzz2GpbuzzLO

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/2-year-old-boy-shot-killed-himself-fathers-gun/nTg7s/

This one's father is a cop.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-grieving-miracle-baby-died-birth-shoots-father-gun-article-1.1161459

So dont try and pass it off as it doesnt happen. It does.

so was mine
didn't say it never happens, your reading what you expect not what I am saying, but proper education does more good than anything else in stoping accidents by the same token there have been a dozen cases of young kids taking off with their dads car so one exception does not negate a general fact
just cause the kids dad was a cop doesn't mean he taught him right I've known a number of cops that I wouldn't trust with a fork let alone a gun

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:29:56 AM   
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My point is that she was behind 2 locked doors and he still got to her.
Wouldn't it be safe to assume that a locked BR door means someone is behind it and a locked bathroom door means the same?
Is it likely that she was on the phone with her husband and he couldn't hear her while he was getting thru those locks?

How likely is it that he broke into the house after loot but changed his mind and decided he was after HER?


Not likely at all. If he wanted her, he wouldnt have gone back to his car to get the crow bar he needed to break into the house, he would have had it with him. Burglars ring or knock.. if someone is home, they try to determine the risk, or make an excuse and leave.

In this day and age, no one knows what weapons someone has. Burglars was loot... not people.



to follow your logic are you trying to say there has never been a rape of opportunity

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:40:03 AM   
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My point is that she was behind 2 locked doors and he still got to her.
Wouldn't it be safe to assume that a locked BR door means someone is behind it and a locked bathroom door means the same?
Is it likely that she was on the phone with her husband and he couldn't hear her while he was getting thru those locks?

How likely is it that he broke into the house after loot but changed his mind and decided he was after HER?


Not likely at all. If he wanted her, he wouldnt have gone back to his car to get the crow bar he needed to break into the house, he would have had it with him. Burglars ring or knock.. if someone is home, they try to determine the risk, or make an excuse and leave.

In this day and age, no one knows what weapons someone has. Burglars was loot... not people.



Sorry taz, this is one of the few times your logic fails.
1. Burglar knocks, no answer. Assumes noone is home.
2. Burglar goes back to car to get a tool. Still assumes noone home.
3. Burglar breaks in. Still assumes noone is home.

When he went back to his car, it was under the assumption that noone was home.

He encountered the locked bedroom and bathroom doors AFTER he went to the car to get a prying tool.
He was either:
A: So stupid he didn't know a locked BR door means a person is in there especially when backed up by a locked bathroom door. He was also deaf and didn't hear her voice as she talked to her husband on the phone. But, due to the fact that he opened the door to the crawl space where she was hiding, he must have been looking for her. "Melinda Herman told police she started shooting the man when he opened the door to the crawl space."
or
B: Realized after he broke in that someone was home and heard a female voice and.........................


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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:46:38 AM   
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Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said.

My father locked his bedroom door and closet door... it was a huge walk in closet, when we left the house. His gun safe was in the closet. Its not that unusual, at least for me.

Locked doors inside typically means something valuable within.

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:53:11 AM   
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Exactly... no one home.

Authorities believe Slater targeted a home in another local subdivision but left when confronted by the homeowner, Chapman said.

My father locked his bedroom door and closet door... it was a huge walk in closet, when we left the house. His gun safe was in the closet. Its not that unusual, at least for me.

Locked doors inside typically means something valuable within.

Why would he have opened the crawl space where she was if not because of a female voice? Was he deaf?
Locked doors do mean something valuable but typical bedroom and bathroom doors cannot be unlocked with a regular key from the outside. Therefore if you find a locked one, there's a person behind it.

As for locked doors, there was definitely something valuable. Her virtue and the lives of her children.

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RE: Piers or Alex Jones... - 1/10/2013 9:54:13 AM   
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which would you keep?

http://www.upworthy.com/angry-gun-advocate-loses-it-live-on-cnn-in-the-most-bizarre-interview-ever



Better question IMHO is: Which would you want to respond to your 911 call?


Neither one of them. I prefer professionals.

Well, you are more than welcome to prefer professionals. I prefer the first good guy/gal with a gun who shows up.

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