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tazzygirl -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 9:02:25 AM)
lol... only you would see it as one

DaddySatyr -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 9:04:19 AM)
quote: Pam, the keeper of secrets and passive aggressive posts. Gonna claim you are bananas again? I'm confused? It's a *secret* that that person is a mod? I thought it was rather obvious, all things considered. Peace and comfort, Michael

kdsub -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 9:06:21 AM)
Practice pays off. Butch

kalikshama -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:09:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Casteele FR Can't recall if I've ever reported anyone on this site yet.. (especially since I have been away from forums for 6+ months :P) but have on other fora. I will say that I won't hesitate to report someone or something if it's warranted--Clearly illegal activities, such as posting child porn, or clear violations of the site's ToS, et cetera. Merely distasteful or bad manners, however.. Well, I'm male, I'm already trained in the art of selective hearing/reading! And I either ignore it, or if I can't ignore it, shoot back with my own sarcasm.. This includes things like trolling (as in trawling--posting clearly inflamatory posts to get a reaction out of people), name calling, and even personal attacks and name calling--But NOT including libel/slander campaigns against others.. In fact, in irony, that's what brought me here tonight.. I wanted to ask the mods what IS CM's policy on such tactics, such as creating and posting "blacklists" or "walls of shame" which directly name other users, and such? I might indeed have to report someone within the next few hours.. :P Welcome back! You might find this helpful: Why We Don't Allow Blacklists

TNDommeK -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:13:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Um, I might be taking what he said wrong, and if so then he can correct me..but I believe the statement said " to NOT speak up....to me is weak." So do we need to cut the number of syllables for you? Um, you are. You're taking what he said wrong. The sentence "Not to speak up, or if need be act, when you believe rules, guidelines, or laws to be wrong, is to me weak." refers to the fact that TAFKAA is speaking out and acting out against what he believes to be unfair rules of moderation. Level is saying that submissively complying to unfair rules is weak, which is the opposite of what TAFKAA is doing. I haven't decided myself if those rules really are unfair, but you certainly misunderstood. Again, talking down to someone of demonstrably higher intelligence than you while you misunderstand what they say... simply makes you look stupid. Next time you should consider not offering such clear proof of your own ignorance. Pam Or next time you should know what you're talking about before opening your mouth. Tafkaa believe myself and a few others to be weak because he was reported by a group of people on a completely different thread. So this stems from there. I assume he just can't let it go. As far as Level's quote, I still agree with Crazyml on this one...nothing wrong with acting out against someone who doesn't shut the fuck up. Demonstrably higher intelligence? Why because you think so? That's cute. There's nothing wrong with being wrong. And if I am, I'll admit that (when and if Level says what he was referring to). But when one is wrong and refuses to see why or accept that...is of utter ignorance, and that is what Tafkaa has done repeatedly. Jumping on the band wagon of a fool simply makes you look stupid.

needlesandpins -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:19:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Um, I might be taking what he said wrong, and if so then he can correct me..but I believe the statement said " to NOT speak up....to me is weak." So do we need to cut the number of syllables for you? Um, you are. You're taking what he said wrong. The sentence "Not to speak up, or if need be act, when you believe rules, guidelines, or laws to be wrong, is to me weak." refers to the fact that TAFKAA is speaking out and acting out against what he believes to be unfair rules of moderation. Level is saying that submissively complying to unfair rules is weak, which is the opposite of what TAFKAA is doing. I haven't decided myself if those rules really are unfair, but you certainly misunderstood. Again, talking down to someone of demonstrably higher intelligence than you while you misunderstand what they say... simply makes you look stupid. Next time you should consider not offering such clear proof of your own ignorance. Pam Or next time you should know what you're talking about before opening your mouth. Tafkaa believe myself and a few others to be weak because he was reported by a group of people on a completely different thread. So this stems from there. I assume he just can't let it go. As far as Level's quote, I still agree with Crazyml on this one...nothing wrong with acting out against someone who doesn't shut the fuck up. Demonstrably higher intelligence? Why because you think so? That's cute. There's nothing wrong with being wrong. And if I am, I'll admit that (when and if Level says what he was referring to). But when one is wrong and refuses to see why or accept that...is of utter ignorance, and that is what Tafkaa has done repeatedly. Jumping on the band wagon of a fool simply makes you look stupid. he already did in reply to me, and you have taken it incorrectly. in fact i think i am actually the only one that took it correctly. Level is saying that just because there are rules it doesn't mean you can't speak out against them if you think they are wrong. in fact to not do so would be weak. needles

metamorfosis -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:22:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TNDommeK Jumping on the band wagon of a fool simply makes you look stupid. Exactly how is a "band wagon" of one a bandwagon at all? Pam

metamorfosis -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:25:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: needlesandpins Level is saying that just because there are rules it doesn't mean you can't speak out against them if you think they are wrong. in fact to not do so would be weak. Now I'm confused. I thought that was precisely what I interpreted him as saying. Pam

needlesandpins -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:33:28 AM)
sorry i was talking as of at the time that Level quoted what i'd said. glad i'm not on my own! [:D] needles

TNDommeK -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 10:54:23 AM)
As I said, I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong. As it seems I took what was said wrong. However I still firmly stand on my opinion of reporting if needed. Pam, I was saying that bc instead of explaining things in a civil manner, you took it upon yourself to call me "stupid" and " ignorant". I've never had any issue with you, in fact I rather like you and your posts. But I am far from either of those two words simply because I misunderstood someone's post.

NuevaVida -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 11:16:07 AM)
I interpreted Level to say it's ok to break the rules if you feel they are wrong, and Not standing up against certain rules is weak. He also said he likes some of the people who report others, and it is not a big deal to him that they do. As for admitting when wrong, twice now I have refuted accusations aimed at me - once on another thread where I wad accused of being hysterical, I addressed each incorrect example, and was not replied to. And now in this thread, where I was referred to as a cunt, and my refute to that was not replied to, yet a lot more posts by the same person continued to point out the wrongness of others. I find that curious. Unless of course, if I missed his reply since I had to scroll very quickly through the spider pages.....shudder.

TNDommeK -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 11:21:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NuevaVida I interpreted Level to say it's ok to break the rules if you feel they are wrong, and Not standing up against certain rules is weak. He also said he likes some of the people who report others, and it is not a big deal to him that they do. As for admitting when wrong, twice now I have refuted accusations aimed at me - once on another thread where I wad accused of being hysterical, I addressed each incorrect example, and was not replied to. And now in this thread, where I was referred to as a cunt, and my refute to that was not replied to, yet a lot more posts by the same person continued to point out the wrongness of others. I find that curious. Unless of course, if I missed his reply since I had to scroll very quickly through the spider pages.....shudder. Haha I do the same to the spider pages.

jlf1961 -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 11:23:09 AM)
Look, it is correct that in some cases you need to report someone. I have had a few posts of mine removed lately because I either advocated some act which could be considered illegal, OR I posted pictures in response to something about the ingenuity of pot smokers to create pipes out of just about anything. Considering there is a large number of people who actually think that pot smoking is unfairly illegal, and I would bet there are quite a few pot smokers on collarme, I thought the removal of the picture of a banana that was turned into a pipe and a beer keg that was turned into a pipe was a bit odd, but accept it as being against the TOS. Personally I wish this thread would die since all it seems to be is an opportunity for people to attack others.

LadyPact -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 11:38:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TAFKAA Of course it's running to mommy. It's appealing to a higher power to come in and save you from the conversation with the nasty man because you can't deal with it yourself. Unless you're reporting something which is ACTUALLY against the TOS - rather than the forum guidelines - then the probability is that you're simply asking for someone to intervene because you haven't got the stones to handle the situation yourself. It's either behaving like a child or a weakling, but it's difficult to see it as anything other than that. I'm sure there is more than this, but I've only read to this point so far. I've explained several examples of things that I've reported in the past during the course of this thread. Not all of it is the worst of the worst that violates TOS. I'd even go so far to say that the majority of it is the smaller stuff that is against the guidelines. Stuff like getting threads moved to the right board or a poster spamming their ad across the discussion forums. See, there's a difference between not having the balls to handle a situation yourself and not having the ability. I don't have the ability to put threads in the proper forum or take down the 'for a great session contact.....' crap. Just telling the poster that their post didn't belong where they stuck it doesn't do much. Even if the person was willing to put it in the right forum, they can't move it. Reporting it is putting it in the hands of the person who can actually correct the situation.

TNDommeK -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 11:45:13 AM)
This. That was my whole point in the fin domme thread. It's not running o mommy or being weak, it's about putting it in the hands of someone who CAN do something. Some of us wanted to enjoy the thread and learn, hard to do so with trolls running a muck.

TAFKAA -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 11:59:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml It does nothing of the sort. The fact that you compound your lack of comprehension by attempting to patronise makes it all the more laughable. I'm not sure whether to blame the school system in your country or just your apparent inability to comprehend what is plain English. Look, if you're one of their pay piggies, keep it to yourself. Trying to intervene between the findomme profit-brigade and myself when they're not playing with a full deck is pointless. Especially - when it seems - neither are you. quote: Level's excellent point speaks to a general principle about being willing to stand up and be counted. No, Level's excellent fucking point is that people should speak out against authority when the laws, rules or guidelines are unjust. For fuck's sake, it's in plain fucking English. I can't have a conversation with you if you just can't read and comprehend a single-line sentence. You and the findommes are being patronised because you're claiming support from a statement which supports the activity of your opponent. Here's an idea, try reading the complete sentence - break it down into chunks if you're having trouble.

merge9 -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 12:05:12 PM)
quote: trolls running amok [image]http://wpc.556e.edgecastcdn.net/80556E/img.site/PHx2YTE06tgvAD_1_m.jpg[/image]

Zonie63 -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 12:14:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: metamorfosis quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I think there would be a difference between calling the cops over something illegal/violent and reporting a post for violating the Terms of Service. Violating TOS is not a crime; you can't get arrested for that. I suspect Awareness might believe calling the cops was beneath him if it really were a question of violence or threat, and so his stance against reporting posts here for being mean (by comparison, a far lesser "crime") is consistent with his ideas of right and wrong. You may disagree with that stance, but the position does make sense. Perhaps, although now I'm wondering what legal obligations we might have if we witness an act of violence or other crime. It's always been my understanding that calling the cops would be required by law, although I'm not entirely certain of that. But I also know that you can't take the law into your own hands. It's not that I agree or disagree with the stance, but I'm just not entirely sure what my legal obligations as a citizen would be. If there's some threat of violence, then I would probably call the cops, not so much for myself, but for any innocent bystanders who might get hurt. But if somebody says mean stuff on a message board, that just seems quite different to me. quote: quote: I would think a forum like this is more analogous to walking into a store, restaurant, club, or any other privately-owned establishment. The owners or management can make their own rules and enforce them, as some places might have signs which read "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." And I think these "accept the status quo or leave" arguments are analogous to telling Rosa Parks to leave or sit at the back of the free public library and have to await days for approval to check out books. Pam Again, I think it depends on the circumstances. If there were 10 hamburger stands all in a row, and one of them has rules I disagree with, then I have nine other options to choose from. No problem. The property owner is free to make his/her own rules, while I am free to choose to patronize his/her business or pass them by and go somewhere else. No force or coercion is being applied; we're both free to make our own choices as business owners and/or consumers. Of course, by the same token, it's every person's right to complain. I've been in places where I've witnessed scenes of customers complaining, but if I'm there as just another customer, then I wouldn't feel it appropriate to tell the complainer to accept the status quo or leave. That would be up to the staff and management of the store to make that call. If I saw multiple customers complaining, then I would take that as a signal that it's probably a bad store, but it's not up to me to tell other people where they should shop or what rules they should accept. Likewise, it's not up to me to tell the store management how to run their business. I can certainly complain and tell them why I think their service is sub-standard, but a lot of times, I won't even bother to take the time to tell them. I'll just leave. There are some stores/restaurants/bars/etc. which I refuse to patronize, mainly because they suck. It's much the same for websites and internet message boards. There are other choices out there - other sites, other forums, other boards.

LadyPact -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 12:15:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zonie63 I think there would be a difference between calling the cops over something illegal/violent and reporting a post for violating the Terms of Service. Violating TOS is not a crime; you can't get arrested for that. I would think a forum like this is more analogous to walking into a store, restaurant, club, or any other privately-owned establishment. The owners or management can make their own rules and enforce them, as some places might have signs which read "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." Would I, as a patron, have a responsibility to report another patron's violation of the rules to the management? I guess it would largely depend upon the circumstances. If they're doing something harmful to others, then I could see it, but if they're just violating the dress code or something silly like that, I can't see why I would report something like that. Since school examples are being brought up in this thread, I think some things are different than others. If someone is actually bullied, then they may try to handle it themselves or report it to higher ups. Whether it's seen as "weak" is circumstantial. But that would still be different from a situation where someone might report a couple of people for smoking a joint in some isolated corner somewhere and not otherwise bothering anyone. If someone reported that, then they'd be a snitch, a narc. Nobody likes a snitch or a tattle-tale. I don't know that it's "weak," but it might be perceived as "low" by some people. Violating ToS in itself is not a crime, however certain things that are against ToS are crimes themselves. So far, I haven't seen any of the folks on the other side of the reporting debate than I am say that they wouldn't report child porn. I'm glad you brought up the analogy of the club. If a person attends a BDSM club, they are going to find in the dungeon rules that if they see another member engaged in activities that are against their rules, they tell you to find a DM. That can be anything from is the play that is being conducted safe to stuff like did the person playing with the violet wand plug in his extension cord across the room where it's now a trip hazard. Both situations need to be rectified but the member probably isn't the better person to solve the issue. That's what they have DMs for.

crazyml -> RE: Lets be honest have you ever reported anyone (1/16/2013 12:39:15 PM)
I'm sensing anger Awareness. You're descending to personal insults, because you are either unable, or you're unwilling to address the points I've made. I asked you to explain how on earth you can make Level's very sensible advice into something that supports your stance that people who report posts are "running to mommy". I ask the question because, as I'm pretty sure you can clearly see, it doesn't. quote: ORIGINAL: TAFKAA quote: ORIGINAL: crazyml It does nothing of the sort. The fact that you compound your lack of comprehension by attempting to patronise makes it all the more laughable. I'm not sure whether to blame the school system in your country or just your apparent inability to comprehend what is plain English. Look, if you're one of their pay piggies, keep it to yourself. Trying to intervene between the findomme profit-brigade and myself when they're not playing with a full deck is pointless. Especially - when it seems - neither are you. This is a classic attempt to bully. As it happens, this is a personal attack, and it's against TOS. Let me tell you though, I wouldn't dream of reporting this, and I'd be deeply disappointed if someone else did. I want this to remain on the record, so that people get a nice, complete picture of the kind of poster you are. You talk about "adult behaviour" and yet to stoop to shameful tactics like this? You can rest assured that I'm not part of the "fin domme brigade" that you feel so strongly about, nor am I entirely sure what thread it is you're referring to. But I can't help wondering.... did you get your ass kicked on this thread you're so angry about? I'm sure you had some great points to make, but knowing you as I do - I wonder if there's a chance that you may have given someone the false impression that you're a woman fearing mysogynist? Plainly you're not, but I bet, literate fellow that you are, you could re-read some of your past posts and see how someone might fall into that error. quote: quote: Level's excellent point speaks to a general principle about being willing to stand up and be counted. No, Level's excellent fucking point is that people should speak out against authority when the laws, rules or guidelines are unjust. For fuck's sake, it's in plain fucking English. I can't have a conversation with you if you just can't read and comprehend a single-line sentence. You and the findommes are being patronised because you're claiming support from a statement which supports the activity of your opponent. Here's an idea, try reading the complete sentence - break it down into chunks if you're having trouble. I really don't think I'm having trouble, I really think I've parsed the sentence just fine. Unless you're still insistent that Level is saying that people that report posts are wrong to do so. If you really are still insistent that this is the case, could you do me a favour and explain how you've made this leap? I can see how upset my participation in this thread is making you, so I'm going to duck out for now. I honestly don't care enough about what you think to bother in any case. [ED to add last three sentences!] [Plus ed to fix school boy grammar error]

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