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ORIGINAL: BamaD

as you no doubt know the .40 was developed because some people couldn't deal with the recoil of the 10mm but then I had a guy in basic who failed to qualify because the recoil of his M16 got to him

What would he have done if he had to qualify with something bigger? Was this guy super small? I qualified with no problems using an M1 Garand. I guess the 30-06 would have knocked the guy on his ass!


CB

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

FR

The main thing is that as many Americans as possible get killed. I love American gun fans!

I explained that, we of native american blood are using subliminal messaging to get non native blooded americans to kill each other.

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa

Baaa Baaa! you sheep will follow anything Dear Leader says or wants. Pretty pathetic. He's pulling this crap, which will not solve any violence problem, to distract you sheep from the purposeful crashing he's doing of the economy and to hide his shaningans in Libya. Baaa baaaa. The thing about all these states with gun laws.. well, you know what? Criminals love gun laws! It disarms honest people; you know, sheep. Baaa baaaa.

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ORIGINAL: Nosathro

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ORIGINAL: ElChupa
Baaa Baaa! you sheep will follow anything Dear Leader says or wants. Pretty pathetic. He's pulling this crap, which will not solve any violence problem, to distract you sheep from the purposeful crashing he's doing of the economy and to hide his shaningans in Libya. Baaa baaaa. The thing about all these states with gun laws.. well, you know what? Criminals love gun laws! It disarms honest people; you know, sheep. Baaa baaaa.

Oh another one.....
I am going to assume Baaa baaa is Obama...which shows you did not read the article or know much, the article was about the State of New York passing laws, that would be Governor Andrew Cuomo.

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ORIGINAL: papassion

The intent of the founding fathers wiith the 2nd amendment was so the people could defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government at that time had muskets and the people had muskets.

Now the government has has high capacity weapons, thus the people need high capacity weapons to defend themselves from an oppressive government.

What chance would the general population have against the government forces? First, Let me tell you a story about how a small group of fighters with old ak-47s and homemade ordinance have been holding back the mightyist army in the world in Iraq and ahganistan, for what, 13 YEARS now? Ever heard of the taliban? or other SMALL groups? They kicked the Russian's mighty military ass too!
and second, half or more of the soldiers in the military would not follow orders to shoot civilians and would, in fact, sabatoge military communications, etc. The military could NOT, repeat, NOT ever win against the people. And they KNOW it!

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ORIGINAL: papassion

The intent of the founding fathers wiith the 2nd amendment was so the people could defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government at that time had muskets and the people had muskets.

Now the government has has high capacity weapons, thus the people need high capacity weapons to defend themselves from an oppressive government.

What chance would the general population have against the government forces? First, Let me tell you a story about how a small group of fighters with old ak-47s and homemade ordinance have been holding back the mightyist army in the world in Iraq and ahganistan, for what, 13 YEARS now? Ever heard of the taliban? or other SMALL groups? They kicked the Russian's mighty military ass too!
and second, half or more of the soldiers in the military would not follow orders to shoot civilians and would, in fact, sabatoge military communications, etc. The military could NOT, repeat, NOT ever win against the people. And they KNOW it!

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: papassion

The intent of the founding fathers wiith the 2nd amendment was so the people could defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government at that time had muskets and the people had muskets.

Now the government has has high capacity weapons, thus the people need high capacity weapons to defend themselves from an oppressive government.

What chance would the general population have against the government forces? First, Let me tell you a story about how a small group of fighters with old ak-47s and homemade ordinance have been holding back the mightyist army in the world in Iraq and ahganistan, for what, 13 YEARS now? Ever heard of the taliban? or other SMALL groups? They kicked the Russian's mighty military ass too!
and second, half or more of the soldiers in the military would not follow orders to shoot civilians and would, in fact, sabatoge military communications, etc. The military could NOT, repeat, NOT ever win against the people. And they KNOW it!

You reasoning has some gaps.

If you need military grade weaponry to defend yourself against an oppressive government then you are implying that you believe the military will attack civilians otherwise what is the need for the weapons? However since you do not call for the private ownership of tanks and heavy weapons you are implictly relying on the failure of the military to obey orders to attack the civilian populace which contradicts your underlying assumption.

BTW the taliban has only just managed to avoid complete annihilation over the last decade. They are not holding anyone else, especially the US Army, back. They have not been able to hold territory and the only reason they still exist is W's decision to ignore that war for 6 years.

When will this fantasy that people armed with low grade military arms be able to stop an oppresive goverment able to field Apache gunships, warships and tactical strike aircraft end?

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: papassion

The intent of the founding fathers wiith the 2nd amendment was so the people could defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government at that time had muskets and the people had muskets.

Now the government has has high capacity weapons, thus the people need high capacity weapons to defend themselves from an oppressive government.

What chance would the general population have against the government forces? First, Let me tell you a story about how a small group of fighters with old ak-47s and homemade ordinance have been holding back the mightyist army in the world in Iraq and ahganistan, for what, 13 YEARS now? Ever heard of the taliban? or other SMALL groups? They kicked the Russian's mighty military ass too!
and second, half or more of the soldiers in the military would not follow orders to shoot civilians and would, in fact, sabatoge military communications, etc. The military could NOT, repeat, NOT ever win against the people. And they KNOW it!

You reasoning has some gaps.

If you need military grade weaponry to defend yourself against an oppressive government then you are implying that you believe the military will attack civilians otherwise what is the need for the weapons? However since you do not call for the private ownership of tanks and heavy weapons you are implictly relying on the failure of the military to obey orders to attack the civilian populace which contradicts your underlying assumption.

BTW the taliban has only just managed to avoid complete annihilation over the last decade. They are not holding anyone else, especially the US Army, back. They have not been able to hold territory and the only reason they still exist is W's decision to ignore that war for 6 years.

When will this fantasy that people armed with low grade military arms be able to stop an oppresive goverment able to field Apache gunships, warships and tactical strike aircraft end?

FYI: One sniper armed with a standard issue military rifle w/scope could render an 83-ton M65 280mm "Atomic Cannon" absolutely, completely, totally and utterly useless for at least 24 hours with just one well-placed shot. Same with respect to Apache gunships and Abrams tanks. Ya just gotta know where to hit the target.

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FYI: One sniper armed with a standard issue military rifle w/scope could render an 83-ton M65 280mm "Atomic Cannon" absolutely, completely, totally and utterly useless for at least 24 hours with just one well-placed shot. Same with respect to Apache gunships and Abrams tanks. Ya just gotta know where to hit the target.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: papassion

The intent of the founding fathers wiith the 2nd amendment was so the people could defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government at that time had muskets and the people had muskets.

Now the government has has high capacity weapons, thus the people need high capacity weapons to defend themselves from an oppressive government.

What chance would the general population have against the government forces? First, Let me tell you a story about how a small group of fighters with old ak-47s and homemade ordinance have been holding back the mightyist army in the world in Iraq and ahganistan, for what, 13 YEARS now? Ever heard of the taliban? or other SMALL groups? They kicked the Russian's mighty military ass too!
and second, half or more of the soldiers in the military would not follow orders to shoot civilians and would, in fact, sabatoge military communications, etc. The military could NOT, repeat, NOT ever win against the people. And they KNOW it!

Where are my nukes, icbms, and tanks?.....specious argument, incorrectly applied. 

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

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ORIGINAL: papassion
The intent of the founding fathers wiith the 2nd amendment was so the people could defend themselves against an oppressive government. The government at that time had muskets and the people had muskets.
Now the government has has high capacity weapons, thus the people need high capacity weapons to defend themselves from an oppressive government.
What chance would the general population have against the government forces? First, Let me tell you a story about how a small group of fighters with old ak-47s and homemade ordinance have been holding back the mightyist army in the world in Iraq and ahganistan, for what, 13 YEARS now? Ever heard of the taliban? or other SMALL groups? They kicked the Russian's mighty military ass too!
and second, half or more of the soldiers in the military would not follow orders to shoot civilians and would, in fact, sabatoge military communications, etc. The military could NOT, repeat, NOT ever win against the people. And they KNOW it!

You reasoning has some gaps.
If you need military grade weaponry to defend yourself against an oppressive government then you are implying that you believe the military will attack civilians otherwise what is the need for the weapons? However since you do not call for the private ownership of tanks and heavy weapons you are implictly relying on the failure of the military to obey orders to attack the civilian populace which contradicts your underlying assumption.
BTW the taliban has only just managed to avoid complete annihilation over the last decade. They are not holding anyone else, especially the US Army, back. They have not been able to hold territory and the only reason they still exist is W's decision to ignore that war for 6 years.
When will this fantasy that people armed with low grade military arms be able to stop an oppresive goverment able to field Apache gunships, warships and tactical strike aircraft end?

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
When will this fantasy that people armed with low grade military arms be able to stop an oppresive goverment able to field Apache gunships, warships and tactical strike aircraft end?

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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FYI: One sniper armed with a standard issue military rifle w/scope could render an 83-ton M65 280mm "Atomic Cannon" absolutely, completely, totally and utterly useless for at least 24 hours with just one well-placed shot. Same with respect to Apache gunships and Abrams tanks. Ya just gotta know where to hit the target.

You won't be needing the high cap magazines then.