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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 2:27:20 PM   
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Look at the places that have the most gun crime. California, New York, New Jersey, etc. The only thing a gun ban would do is increase gun crimes. The Democrates are just to stupid to to realise. The only thing they should do is increase punishment for people who buy guns for others or fail to control acess to private guns. And do more complete background checks. For example the recent school shooting was done with his mothers gun not his. She should be punished but wont be.

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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 3:55:24 PM   
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These are the weapons on the new ban


Rifles
All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47,AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, MHM90, MHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10 and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS;
All AR types, including the following: AR-10, AR-15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R-15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles;
Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1, Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2 Max 1, Max 2, AR 100 and AR 100C;
Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstral FAL, LAR 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR and FS2000
Feather Industries AT-9
Galil Model AR and Model ARM
Hi-Point Carbine; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and HK USC
Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16 and RFB, SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 500 and Sig Sauer SG 551
Springfield Armory SAR-48
Steyr AUG
Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rifle M-14/20CF
All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, ThompsonT1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C
UMAREX UZI rifle, UZI mini carbine and UZI Model B Carbine
Valmet M62S, M71S and M78
Vector Arms USI Type
Weaver Arms Nighthawk
Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine
Pistols
All AK-47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol, HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov Pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol
All AR-15 types, including the following: American Spirit Ar-15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol
Encom MP-9 and MP-45
Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol
Intratec AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9 and TEC-DC9
Kel-Tex PLR 16 pistol
The following MAC types: MAC-10, MAC-11 Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol
Military Armament Corp. INgram M-11, Velocity Arms VMAC
Sig Saur P556 pistol
Sites Spectre
All Thompson, types including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5
All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI
Shotguns
Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12
All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP-01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika; Streetsweeper, Striker 12.
Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms
All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms, including: TNW M2HB

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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 5:39:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stephINca
Look at the places that have the most gun crime. California, New York, New Jersey, etc. The only thing a gun ban would do is increase gun crimes. The Democrates are just to stupid to to realise. The only thing they should do is increase punishment for people who buy guns for others or fail to control acess to private guns. And do more complete background checks. For example the recent school shooting was done with his mothers gun not his. She should be punished but wont be.


Considering she's dead, I'm not sure what punishment you could mete out on her that would correct that behavior.


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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 9:29:35 PM   
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Because for one I am a liberal, and 2 I hate fear tactics which is what they thrive on. I just am a native Mainer, the daughter of a lifer in the US Army, and I grew up shooting and owning guns. Doesn't meant I have to from an alliance with a group as reprehensible as the NRA. I prefer to do my own thing.

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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 9:31:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: stephINca

Look at the places that have the most gun crime. California, New York, New Jersey, etc. The only thing a gun ban would do is increase gun crimes. The Democrates are just to stupid to to realise. The only thing they should do is increase punishment for people who buy guns for others or fail to control acess to private guns. And do more complete background checks. For example the recent school shooting was done with his mothers gun not his. She should be punished but wont be.



Quit slamming Democrats it's fucking tiring and it's incorrect. Like I said I live in Maine all my liberal Dem friends own guns, most hunt and we all generally have cc permits.

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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 9:34:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Owner59


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ORIGINAL: lovmuffin

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88

You know what? No matter what the anti-America people say and the anti gun people say, it will never dissuade people like me from having guns. I am a liberal, I despise the NRA, I am totally okay with a waiting period, no high powered assault weapons, background checks, you name it, I will vote to prevent anything that puts guns in the wrong hands.

However, I will never relinquish my handguns or my rifles. I will not. It is my right and my duty to protect my home, my animals, and myself. Don't want to then don't but do not tell me otherwise.


“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”

Jeff Cooper~



I really don't get it. You despise the NRA ? I've heard the NRA is extremist or such things from time to time by people who think their shot guns and bolt rifles or what ever is all you really need. I'm guessing the only type of handguns you own are revolvers so its ok with you if we do away with semi auto handguns. I guess it must be ok with you to throw us other gun owners to the wolves as long as they dont go after your type of guns. The way I'm seeing it is some elements of the government want to outlaw an entire class of firearms. Whatever the current flavor of whatever legislation on the table it's just a first step. They have stated such in their rhetoric, "it's a start" "it's a first step" and so on. The NRA is the only line in the sand that prevents this from happening.

What's going to happen when the government finally manages to outlaw semi autos and people begin to figure out what a bolt action hunting rifle with a scope can do or what a hand canon refers to ? What do you think they'll go after next when they learn what a 12 gauge shotgun is ? What do you think will happen when the general public figures out there are other weapons, not of the semi auto variety that are plenty sufficient to commit mass murder with, many that fire much more powerful ammunition ideal for hunting ?



You quote the late Jeff Cooper, a staunch pro NRA supporter and NRA board member yet you have obviously bought into the "high power assault weapon"(of which there is no such thing) propaganda.


"All the people constitute the militia - according to the Founding Fathers. Therefore every able-bodied man has a duty under the Constitution to become part of the 'well-regulated' militia, specifically to understand and perform well with the individual weapon currently issued to the regular establishment .... Thus one who has not qualified himself with the M-16 may not be considered to be a responsible citizen."

Jeff Cooper





Normal folks despise anyone who is breaking their necks to arm the crazies to the teeth.....ie.... the NRA.


Got it?





This exactly.

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RE: Why people support higher capacity magazines - 1/24/2013 9:37:57 PM   
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<winks>


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