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joether -> The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 11:41:20 AM)
The NRA has released a New App to help shooters from as young as four on up, learn not only important gun laws, 2nd amendment newsfeeds, BUT, a number of shooting ranges to practice your hand/trigger finger ability. When I read about this I just 'LMAO'. Here is an organization so completely insane as to blame videogames for violence, and than, join's the same crowd. Yeah, cus four your olds will know what the hell the 2nd amendment is and isnt.... Oh, this absurd creation gets better. You start with an M9 but can graduate up to using other weapons like the Beretta, Colt, or several others (two images show the AK-47 and M16/M4). You 'shoot' by tapping on the screen for "...most authentic experience possible." to quote NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre directly. Of course, this is the same nutcase that states "Guns don’t kill people. Video games, the media and Obama’s budget kill people...". Sorry, but guns DO kill people. There are 20, 1st graders that can directly speak up about that....if they werent dead already.... Its kinda of ironic that this man tries to throw the entire blame off the gun industry and onto the video game inudstry: "There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people, through vicious, violent video games with names like ‘Bulletstorm,’ ‘Grand Theft Auto,’ ‘Mortal Kombat’ and ‘Splatterhouse.". Yeah, and each of those games are rated 'M' for MATURITY. That means, the only way anyone under 18 obtains the game is through a legal adult (either an older sibling or ignorant parent). Funny how this guy didnt mention that... Back during the 40's and 50's, smoking was considered the 'in' thing. Everyone who was anyone, smoked. It was to show you were classy, good natured, and hip all at the same time. Over the course of thirty to fourty years, the tobacco industry resisted every study that was published to show their product, when used as directed....kills! In the 80's and 90's, numerous Congressional hearings were seen with one after another of a tobacco industry person stating their product was safe for general consumption. Yet, the scientific facts pointed the totally opposite out. Now in 2013, one does not see smoking as anything more than either a dinosaur or addiction. The gun industry learned all the lessons of the tobacco industry well, and inserted itself as a patriotic concept. By wrapping its products around the American flag, they push that their products are totally safe while other industries should be blamed for all the gun killings in America. The gun industry, through its puppet organization, the NRA, slames other industries for being irresponsible with gun violence; yet, cant hold themselves to even a slim level of that same responsbility either!

jlf1961 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 1:22:04 PM)
Guns in and of themselves do not kill people. I have a number of guns and they have not attempted to kill anyone.. they just kind of sit in the gun safe and dont even try to escape. People using guns kill people. You can prove this for yourself, buy a gun, load it, and leave it alone in a room for 6 months. If that gun kills someone without the aid of a human, I will work with you to ban all guns.

Yachtie -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 1:45:04 PM)
A new video game, courtesy of the Left - A concerned father drew attention to “Bullet to the Head of the NRA” in a Free Republic post: I saw something today that upset and deeply disturbed me. I was walking past my son’s bedroom, where he spends all his time on his computer playing those damn games of his. I stopped when I heard the sound of Wayne LaPierre’s voice as he gave his speech about the Newtown massacre. I was surprised my son, who is just 14, was getting involved in anything political, but I was glad he was exposing himself to the right people. I opened the door, intending to tell him how proud I was, when the image on the screen stopped me cold. It was not, as I suspected, a video of Wayne LaPierre’s speech, but was in fact a virtual recreation of the event, a video game. And in the game was a virtual Wayne LaPierre, standing at his podium, giving his speech… with a crosshair over his head. Before I could even utter a word to scold my child, he clicked his mouse. And the virtual Wayne LaPierre’s face disappeared in a spray of blood. Now that's a way to advocate control of pro-gun NRA. [8\|]

dcnovice -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 4:27:46 PM)
quote: Guns in and of themselves do not kill people. And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? -- Eddie Izzard

jlf1961 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 5:20:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Guns in and of themselves do not kill people. And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? -- Eddie Izzard As I said, people with guns kill people. Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend.

dcnovice -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 6:08:15 PM)
quote: Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend. Of course. It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though. And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles.

jlf1961 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 6:32:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend. Of course. It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though. And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles. I got news for you, with some of the knowledge gained in my army days, I can get a much higher body count without using a gun, and just using stuff legal to buy and combining it right. Using a gun for mass murder is amateur night.

DesideriScuri -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 6:52:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend. Of course. It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though. And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles. If he had mad skillz like Jackie Chan, damn near anything could be used to mass kill.

joether -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 7:00:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Guns in and of themselves do not kill people. And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? -- Eddie Izzard As I said, people with guns kill people. Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend. I love this 'line of bulldroppings'.... Guns dont kill People, People kill people. So WHY do we give people guns in the first place? How about we create a video game in which we have different players place their avatars inside a virtual 'room' that connects to another 'room' by use of a door. In each connecting room, there are 100 virtual people standing there. But, they are programmed to reach in many different ways. Some will charge their attackers, some will flee, and others stand in shock. Than, we allow players to open the door and use the weapon they are given to kill as many of those virtual persons as possible. They are given all manner of melee weapons like knives, baseball bats, frying pans, broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it. And we give them modern ranged weapons like 1911's, M4's, MM-1's, M 99's, Adeptus Astartes Bolters, C-14 Impalers, M41-A Pulse Rifles, not to mention the BFG-9000! Oh? Are some of those ranged weapons unfamilar to you? Yeah, they came from games (Space Marine, Starcraft, Alien vs Predator, DOOM). Now which will kill faster? Which set of weapons will be the most efficient? The claymore swords or the M-92 Mantis from Mass Effect 3? In fact, unknown to our players, we will have another computer sitting off to one side. Not used by anyone. Will that computer, kill as many or more than the humans using the other computers? Then we hold another set of experiments. In one group we tell 'em to kill as much as they want. The other, we give strict rules and harsh penalties on exactly when and where they can use their weapons (i.e. kill only the zombies). In fact we could hold many such experiments, testing one concept after another. At the end of the day, those that played the games would still not think of doing such a thing to another person in real life. That's the difference that the NRA is hoping people do not learn and understand. Video games did not cause those mass shootings; firearms did. Without those firearms so easily had in the first place, could someone have killed so many in so little time with axe handles or frying pans? The idea would be silly or laughable if it werent such a serious topic. If the NRA President came out and said cars kill more people than guns, why does he drive a car? Why would he ride in a car? Why would he have anything to do with anything that has wheels? Same logic as why create a shooting app after saying video games are the root cause of these mass shootings.

Aylee -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/15/2013 7:23:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether So WHY do we give people guns in the first place? I dunno. Why were swords forbidden to certain classes? Why were crossbows forbidden to certain classes? Why were knife lengths ruled upon? Why are longbows better than crossbows if you want a democratic society? Unless we are talking about the military, we do not GIVE people guns. They purchase them with their own money. Why do they purchase them? Many reasons. One of those reasons is protection from others. In many ways, a gun IS an equalizer. The founding fathers knew this. They also knew about Runnymede.

joether -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 3:20:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether So WHY do we give people guns in the first place? I dunno. Why were swords forbidden to certain classes? Why were crossbows forbidden to certain classes? Why were knife lengths ruled upon? Why are longbows better than crossbows if you want a democratic society? Unless we are talking about the military, we do not GIVE people guns. They purchase them with their own money. Why do they purchase them? Many reasons. One of those reasons is protection from others. In many ways, a gun IS an equalizer. The founding fathers knew this. They also knew about Runnymede. Dancing around the issue.... One person has to give the gun to another. And good of you to take the sentence out of context. It shows you understand that answering the full question would have been exceedingly hard to justify your point. Just like taking out any of the four parts of the 2nd amendment allows one to corrupt and twist it around. Until its new meaning has nothing in common with the other three parts. The founding fathers were for the most part, 'God-Fearing=-Men'. What do you think the chance was, they would know the danger in not only taking a verse out of context from the rest of the chapter (in the Holy Bible), but using it to justify something completely the opposite? And giving it a meaning that would render it broken or untrue when placed back within the whole of the chapter? I'll take the educated guess of 'pretty likely'. Would it not make sense that they would expect future generations not to divide up the four parts of the amendments and take them out of context from the other three? Yeah, it does make sense? The truth is often inconvenient. So how about trying that question in its context? "Guns do not kill people. People kill people. So why do we give guns to people?

Nosathro -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 3:45:33 AM)
I think this is another NRA stupid reaction to the recent events. Also let us remember the NRA in the past has not been happy with other video games, at least the one they are not selling. Much like the "Hoodie with concealed holster" after Trayvon Martin was killed, really stupid. http://www.policymic.com/articles/21346/nra-video-game-hypocrisy-shooting-games-are-evil-but-not-nra-shooting-games http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/03/27/453313/nra-begins-selling-hoodies-with-pocket-to-conceal-handguns/

Lucylastic -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 6:04:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: dcnovice quote: Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend. Of course. It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though. And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles. heh yeah I know, the second amendment[;)] [image]local://upfiles/228382/3FE44441DE4741E694E128809B378486.jpg[/image]

Powergamz1 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 6:19:22 AM)
Again, you are utterly misstating the Constitution. It isn't about giving guns, or books, or the right to peaceably assemble, or due process, etc. to people, it is about codifying limits on taking away books, property, etc. And the history of gun control mirrors the history of censorship, civil rights, etc. Without being forced, the majority will always lean toward taking away such things from minorities. Anyone who falls for the 'Won't somebody think of the children' smokescreen again, is being deliberately obtuse, given the history of this country. quote: ORIGINAL: joether quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: joether So WHY do we give people guns in the first place? I dunno. Why were swords forbidden to certain classes? Why were crossbows forbidden to certain classes? Why were knife lengths ruled upon? Why are longbows better than crossbows if you want a democratic society? Unless we are talking about the military, we do not GIVE people guns. They purchase them with their own money. Why do they purchase them? Many reasons. One of those reasons is protection from others. In many ways, a gun IS an equalizer. The founding fathers knew this. They also knew about Runnymede. Dancing around the issue.... One person has to give the gun to another. And good of you to take the sentence out of context. It shows you understand that answering the full question would have been exceedingly hard to justify your point. Just like taking out any of the four parts of the 2nd amendment allows one to corrupt and twist it around. Until its new meaning has nothing in common with the other three parts. The founding fathers were for the most part, 'God-Fearing=-Men'. What do you think the chance was, they would know the danger in not only taking a verse out of context from the rest of the chapter (in the Holy Bible), but using it to justify something completely the opposite? And giving it a meaning that would render it broken or untrue when placed back within the whole of the chapter? I'll take the educated guess of 'pretty likely'. Would it not make sense that they would expect future generations not to divide up the four parts of the amendments and take them out of context from the other three? Yeah, it does make sense? The truth is often inconvenient. So how about trying that question in its context? "Guns do not kill people. People kill people. So why do we give guns to people?

LookieNoNookie -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 6:30:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether The NRA has released a New App to help shooters from as young as four on up, learn not only important gun laws, 2nd amendment newsfeeds, BUT, a number of shooting ranges to practice your hand/trigger finger ability. When I read about this I just 'LMAO'. Here is an organization so completely insane as to blame videogames for violence, and than, join's the same crowd. Yeah, cus four your olds will know what the hell the 2nd amendment is and isnt.... Oh, this absurd creation gets better. You start with an M9 but can graduate up to using other weapons like the Beretta, Colt, or several others (two images show the AK-47 and M16/M4). You 'shoot' by tapping on the screen for "...most authentic experience possible." to quote NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre directly. Of course, this is the same nutcase that states "Guns don’t kill people. Video games, the media and Obama’s budget kill people...". Sorry, but guns DO kill people. There are 20, 1st graders that can directly speak up about that....if they werent dead already.... Its kinda of ironic that this man tries to throw the entire blame off the gun industry and onto the video game inudstry: "There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people, through vicious, violent video games with names like ‘Bulletstorm,’ ‘Grand Theft Auto,’ ‘Mortal Kombat’ and ‘Splatterhouse.". Yeah, and each of those games are rated 'M' for MATURITY. That means, the only way anyone under 18 obtains the game is through a legal adult (either an older sibling or ignorant parent). Funny how this guy didnt mention that... Back during the 40's and 50's, smoking was considered the 'in' thing. Everyone who was anyone, smoked. It was to show you were classy, good natured, and hip all at the same time. Over the course of thirty to fourty years, the tobacco industry resisted every study that was published to show their product, when used as directed....kills! In the 80's and 90's, numerous Congressional hearings were seen with one after another of a tobacco industry person stating their product was safe for general consumption. Yet, the scientific facts pointed the totally opposite out. Now in 2013, one does not see smoking as anything more than either a dinosaur or addiction. The gun industry learned all the lessons of the tobacco industry well, and inserted itself as a patriotic concept. By wrapping its products around the American flag, they push that their products are totally safe while other industries should be blamed for all the gun killings in America. The gun industry, through its puppet organization, the NRA, slames other industries for being irresponsible with gun violence; yet, cant hold themselves to even a slim level of that same responsbility either! Video games ARE influencing youth. Whether it causes people to kill is a debate I'm not intelligent enough to render but...it desensitizes kids. There's no repercussions to killing people in these games and, frankly these games are as lifelike as you can get without actually being there. This isn't about "kids were always violent before" or "it's the same shit as always, we just have access to these reports that we never had previously via the internet" Regardless....some of these games are some fucked up shit. If I had a kid today, you can bet your ass, he'd never see one until he was at least 60.

Nosathro -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 6:37:32 PM)
Video games ARE influencing youth. Whether it causes people to kill is a debate I'm not intelligent enough to render but...it desensitizes kids. There's no repercussions to killing people in these games and, frankly these games are as lifelike as you can get without actually being there. This isn't about "kids were always violent before" or "it's the same shit as always, we just have access to these reports that we never had previously via the internet" Regardless....some of these games are some fucked up shit. [/quote] This is what the NRA complained about in their view of video games, yet they are now selling one....now that is hypocrisy

jlf1961 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 7:03:31 PM)
Video games are causing kids to be violent. That makes as much sense as the "twinkie" defense by Dan White who killed Dan White and Harvey Milk. I have heard the same bullshit for years, first dealing with game consoles then with computer games. The studies on violent games and violence in tv and movies have contradicted themselves over the years, so the research is ambiguous at best. It depends all on who is funding the research as to what result you get, kinda like global climate change. If anything I would put the blame on the various contact sports that children and teens are involved in. I know that when I played high school football, my coaches actually pushed defensive linemen to hit as hard as possible and legally put the opposing players out of the game. It still happens today, the harder kids hit the more praise they get. Another source of violence in kids today is in the home. Excessive and cruel spankings just teach a kid that violence is the acceptable way of dealing with a problem. But blame who or what you want to, if it helps you sleep at night.

Powergamz1 -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/16/2013 9:34:03 PM)
The research on the connection between violent TV watching from childhood, and aggressive behavior, is overwhelmingly in agreement. http://www.apa.org/research/action/protect.aspx On the harm from sports, the consensus is finally growing, especially in socialization (as opposed to cognitive) aspects. quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Video games are causing kids to be violent. That makes as much sense as the "twinkie" defense by Dan White who killed Dan White and Harvey Milk. I have heard the same bullshit for years, first dealing with game consoles then with computer games. The studies on violent games and violence in tv and movies have contradicted themselves over the years, so the research is ambiguous at best. It depends all on who is funding the research as to what result you get, kinda like global climate change. If anything I would put the blame on the various contact sports that children and teens are involved in. I know that when I played high school football, my coaches actually pushed defensive linemen to hit as hard as possible and legally put the opposing players out of the game. It still happens today, the harder kids hit the more praise they get. Another source of violence in kids today is in the home. Excessive and cruel spankings just teach a kid that violence is the acceptable way of dealing with a problem. But blame who or what you want to, if it helps you sleep at night.

joether -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 2:30:31 AM)
Well a little tidbit from the video game industry. A few years the goverment hinted it might create a ratings board to monitor the games being placed on store shelves. The fears created something that has been rather helpful and easy for people to learn. Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB) This ratings board determines the best rating for the games. Given its history so far, the ESRB has been very successful in correctly rating what is acceptable to each age level. Meaning if the chance of violence is even 'some-what', its rated 'T' for Teen at the bare minimal. Most violent video games are rated 'M' for Maturity. Thanks to 'anti-video game crusader' and now 'former practicing attorney' Jack Thompson, most companies do not sell 'M' rated games to minors. They can, but fortunately, the management of each company have explained this material to cashiers that it doesnt happen often. Unfortunately, the stores do not have any legal means to varify one's age if in doubt. Some stores do hold the policy that unless they can see some ID, the game is not for sale. Game download sites like 'Steam', 'Games Stop' and 'Origins' (EA Games) for the PC sell games that show the ESRB rating clearly before purchase. But the NRA's app either hasn't been given an ESRB rating or the folks at the NRA skipped that step all together. Generally any video game released holds a ESRB rating.

papassion -> RE: The NRA's New App.... (1/17/2013 12:03:03 PM)
Playing violent video games and watching violent movies don't make a person more accepting of violence? Then it must also follow that watching hard porn doesn't have any affect on how men view women and it is not harmful. I think most women will say this is horseshit.

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