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Guns in and of themselves do not kill people.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Guns in and of themselves do not kill people.

And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? -- Eddie Izzard

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Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend.

Of course.

It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though.

And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend.

Of course.
It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though.
And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Guns in and of themselves do not kill people.

And the National Rifle Association says that, "Guns don't kill people, people do,” but I think the gun helps, you know? I think it helps. I just think just standing there going, "Bang!" That's not going to kill too many people, is it? -- Eddie Izzard

As I said, people with guns kill people.
Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend.

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So WHY do we give people guns in the first place?

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So WHY do we give people guns in the first place?

I dunno. Why were swords forbidden to certain classes? Why were crossbows forbidden to certain classes? Why were knife lengths ruled upon? Why are longbows better than crossbows if you want a democratic society?

Unless we are talking about the military, we do not GIVE people guns. They purchase them with their own money.

Why do they purchase them? Many reasons. One of those reasons is protection from others. In many ways, a gun IS an equalizer. The founding fathers knew this. They also knew about Runnymede.

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ORIGINAL: dcnovice

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Just like people with knives kill people, or baseball bats, or frying pans, even broom handles, axe handles, axes, sledge hammers, you name it and it probably can be used as a weapon as long as it wont break on impact or bend.

Of course.

It's a little hard to imagine pulling off Sandy Hook with a frying pan, though.

And there's a reason why, when killing is the goal (as in wartime), we equip troops with guns and not broom handles.

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So WHY do we give people guns in the first place?

I dunno. Why were swords forbidden to certain classes? Why were crossbows forbidden to certain classes? Why were knife lengths ruled upon? Why are longbows better than crossbows if you want a democratic society?

Unless we are talking about the military, we do not GIVE people guns. They purchase them with their own money.

Why do they purchase them? Many reasons. One of those reasons is protection from others. In many ways, a gun IS an equalizer. The founding fathers knew this. They also knew about Runnymede.

Dancing around the issue....

One person has to give the gun to another. And good of you to take the sentence out of context. It shows you understand that answering the full question would have been exceedingly hard to justify your point. Just like taking out any of the four parts of the 2nd amendment allows one to corrupt and twist it around. Until its new meaning has nothing in common with the other three parts. The founding fathers were for the most part, 'God-Fearing=-Men'. What do you think the chance was, they would know the danger in not only taking a verse out of context from the rest of the chapter (in the Holy Bible), but using it to justify something completely the opposite? And giving it a meaning that would render it broken or untrue when placed back within the whole of the chapter? I'll take the educated guess of 'pretty likely'. Would it not make sense that they would expect future generations not to divide up the four parts of the amendments and take them out of context from the other three? Yeah, it does make sense? The truth is often inconvenient.

So how about trying that question in its context?

"Guns do not kill people. People kill people. So why do we give guns to people?

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The NRA has released a New App to help shooters from as young as four on up, learn not only important gun laws, 2nd amendment newsfeeds, BUT, a number of shooting ranges to practice your hand/trigger finger ability. When I read about this I just 'LMAO'. Here is an organization so completely insane as to blame videogames for violence, and than, join's the same crowd. Yeah, cus four your olds will know what the hell the 2nd amendment is and isnt....

Oh, this absurd creation gets better. You start with an M9 but can graduate up to using other weapons like the Beretta, Colt, or several others (two images show the AK-47 and M16/M4). You 'shoot' by tapping on the screen for "...most authentic experience possible." to quote NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre directly. Of course, this is the same nutcase that states "Guns don’t kill people. Video games, the media and Obama’s budget kill people...". Sorry, but guns *DO* kill people. There are 20, 1st graders that can directly speak up about that....if they werent dead already....

Its kinda of ironic that this man tries to throw the entire blame off the gun industry and onto the video game inudstry: "There exists in this country, sadly, a callous, corrupt and corrupting shadow industry that sells and stows violence against its own people, through vicious, violent video games with names like ‘Bulletstorm,’ ‘Grand Theft Auto,’ ‘Mortal Kombat’ and ‘Splatterhouse.". Yeah, and each of those games are rated 'M' for MATURITY. That means, the only way anyone under 18 obtains the game is through a legal adult (either an older sibling or ignorant parent). Funny how this guy didnt mention that...

Back during the 40's and 50's, smoking was considered the 'in' thing. Everyone who was anyone, smoked. It was to show you were classy, good natured, and hip all at the same time. Over the course of thirty to fourty years, the tobacco industry resisted every study that was published to show their product, when used as directed....kills! In the 80's and 90's, numerous Congressional hearings were seen with one after another of a tobacco industry person stating their product was safe for general consumption. Yet, the scientific facts pointed the totally opposite out. Now in 2013, one does not see smoking as anything more than either a dinosaur or addiction. The gun industry learned all the lessons of the tobacco industry well, and inserted itself as a patriotic concept. By wrapping its products around the American flag, they push that their products are totally safe while other industries should be blamed for all the gun killings in America.

The gun industry, through its puppet organization, the NRA, slames other industries for being irresponsible with gun violence; yet, cant hold themselves to even a slim level of that same responsbility either!

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Video games are causing kids to be violent.

That makes as much sense as the "twinkie" defense by Dan White who killed Dan White and Harvey Milk.

I have heard the same bullshit for years, first dealing with game consoles then with computer games.

The studies on violent games and violence in tv and movies have contradicted themselves over the years, so the research is ambiguous at best. It depends all on who is funding the research as to what result you get, kinda like global climate change.

If anything I would put the blame on the various contact sports that children and teens are involved in. I know that when I played high school football, my coaches actually pushed defensive linemen to hit as hard as possible and legally put the opposing players out of the game. It still happens today, the harder kids hit the more praise they get.

Another source of violence in kids today is in the home. Excessive and cruel spankings just teach a kid that violence is the acceptable way of dealing with a problem.

But blame who or what you want to, if it helps you sleep at night.