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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/17/2013 9:33:54 PM   
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Never heard of whole foods and don't give a fuck.



WholeFoods, is an UPSCALE/ high end grocery store.
There are several locations in Virginia and D.C.
They sell a ton of "natural" and organic products.

I go there about once a month, they have an excellent selection of tea's and there are a few products there, I just can't find anywhere else.

I often laugh at the prices in there, almost EVERYTHING in the store is at least $5.
You can easily buy 4 or 5 items and spend $40.

I don't see how people on a budget, or with a family can afford to do all their grocery shopping in Whole Foods, unless they have very, very, DEEP pockets.


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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/17/2013 9:45:08 PM   
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Never heard of whole foods and don't give a fuck.



WholeFoods, is an UPSCALE/ high end grocery store.
There are several locations in Virginia and D.C.
They sell a ton of "natural" and organic products.

I go there about once a month, they have an excellent selection of tea's and there are a few products there, I just can't find anywhere else.

I often laugh at the prices in there, almost EVERYTHING in the store is at least $5.
You can easily buy 4 or 5 items and spend $40.

I don't see how people on a budget, or with a family can afford to do all their grocery shopping in Whole Foods, unless they have very, very, DEEP pockets.




They're unlovingly referred to in these parts as Whole Paycheck.

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/17/2013 9:53:53 PM   
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They're unlovingly referred to in these parts as Whole Paycheck.


lol, it's worth going in there to gawk at the prices.

I doubt that most of the people that work there, can do THEIR grocery shopping there.

Got to love capitalism, when you work at a grocery store but can't afford to buy YOUR groceries there.

IF most of the non-managerial staff do their grocery shopping there, they might as well just sign their paychecks and give them back to Whole Foods.
They might have enough left to put gas in their car to get to work.


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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/18/2013 4:58:38 AM   
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But you're fine with giving your money to businesses owned by men who wouldn't piss in your ear if your brain was on fire so long as they don't have a hiring policy that reflects their prejudices?


If I like what they were selling, then yes. I am not stupid enough to believe that the owner of every store I go into is accepting of gays.

What's the one form of protest that actually works in the late capitalism we live in?

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/18/2013 7:30:10 AM   
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How is Libertarianism a "hypocritical form of anarchy?"

Any time I have ever run across a "libertarian", what it amounts to is "I think we should legislate as little as possible... so we'll legislate all of my pet peeves then tell everyone else not to legislate theirs" -- hence "hypocritical form of anarchy. Ron Paul comes to mind as a stellar example.
I'm less interested in political ideals and dogma than I am practical implications of decisions made. And no, I didn't even read his reasoning nor do I need to. Unless and until someone explains to me the alternative to "socialized medicine"... one that doesn't involve scenes from mad max.... I don't really need to understand the mumblings of those against it.


How does Ron Paul qualify as a stellar example of "hypocritical ... anarchy?"



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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/18/2013 4:58:51 PM   
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This grocer seems to think Obamacare is Fascist. Does this change anyone's ideas about the store?

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Tho I didn`t before,now I think the guy`s a nut.Forget about giving him my money.

I don`t like people insincerely throwing around terms like those unless they are specifically refering to the fascist,or nazis,marxists,etc.

When jerkoffs like this refer to our healthcare regs as fascism.....he`s diminishing and diluting the profoundly dark and evil thing that fascism was
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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/18/2013 6:20:54 PM   
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This grocer seems to think Obamacare is Fascist. Does this change anyone's ideas about the store?
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Tho I didn`t before,now I think the guy`s a nut.Forget about giving him my money.
I don`t like people insincerely throwing around terms like those unless they are specifically refering to the fascist,or nazis,marxists,etc.
When jerkoffs like this refer to our healthcare regs as fascism.....he`s diminishing and diluting the profoundly dark and evil thing that fascism was.


So, you won't shop there because you don't like that he used a term that has a specific definition that he thought pertained to the situation? What other words don't you like? Or, are you only going to bar words that have been linked to a horrible event? Is his use of the term fascism incorrect?

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/18/2013 9:03:56 PM   
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This grocer seems to think Obamacare is Fascist. Does this change anyone's ideas about the store?
Link#1
Link#2
Link#3

The fact that he thinks Obamacare is fascist doesn't change my feelings for the store. I think everyone is entitled to an opinion and they don't have to agree with me. Some of the things mentioned in the articles linked would increase the chance I shopped there if I went for an organic diet.


Did your opinion of Chic-Fil-A change with the revelation of the owner's homosexuality beliefs?


No, actually it didn't. Now if either one started penelizing their employees because of their beliefs, that would change. But so far I haven't seen that.


This is where I am at, pretty much. I can understand a boycott because of actions or practices. I am not comfortable with a boycott for "thoughtcrime." Which is what this and the boycott of Chik-fil-a are. To boycott because of the "thoughts" (or speech on how/what he thinks) of the owner are doubleplusungood.

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/19/2013 4:53:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		The "thoughtcrime" line is spurious: in both cases the owners have publicly made deeply obnoxious statements. Why does that not warrant a boycott?

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/19/2013 7:47:40 PM   
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The "thoughtcrime" line is spurious: in both cases the owners have publicly made deeply obnoxious statements. Why does that not warrant a boycott?


Because neither has actually done anything to harm anyone. So the Chic-Fil-A guy doesn't agree with homosexuality. So what? Does he discriminate against homosexuals, either in hiring/firing, restaurant service, or in any other way? If his only "crime" is saying something stupid, then we'd all have to boycott everyone and everything, damn near all the time. Has the Whole Foods owner done anything wrong? Absolutely not.

If you boycott some business because of what the owner stated, is it going to be worth it? Let's say you shutter Chic-Fil-A with a long-term boycott. What have you really done? Is the owner actually going to suffer? Probably not. The ones that are more at risk to suffer are the ones that have been hired to work at the locations. Those are the people who *have* to work.

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 4:42:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's all just talk then and these stories about Chick-a-Fil donating large sums to obnoxious antigay organisations are just hearsay and nonsense?

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 5:03:41 AM   
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It's all just talk then and these stories about Chick-a-Fil donating large sums to obnoxious antigay organisations are just hearsay and nonsense?


Chic-Fil-A, or the owner? There is a difference, yanno? And, regardless, who are we to decide what a person can and can not do, donate to, or support? Unless there becomes a Government mandate that everyone has to eat there x/week or something, you have the freedom to choose to eat there or not. Just understand who or what it is you are actually hurting. Who or what is it you're attempting to change, and who or what the brunt of your choice is going to effect.

Enough people stop buying at Whole Foods because the owner equated Obamacare to Fascism and the result is going to do what? Could close down Whole Foods. How is that going to change the owner's mind about Obamacare? Or, is this just about shutting him up? Now, if enough people stopped buying Caribbean Sea slugs because the majority of companies there use hormone injections to speed up the slug growth (good Lord, it is sometimes difficult to make up hypothetical BS) in favor of Pacific Ocean sea slugs from the Baja California area (where they don't use hormone injections and have "free-range" sea slug practices), then the consumer would be impacting something definite, and impacting those who are perpetrating the evil.

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 5:27:51 AM   
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And, regardless, who are we to decide what a person can and can not do, donate to, or support? Unless there becomes a Government mandate that everyone has to eat there x/week or something, you have the freedom to choose to eat there or not.

So why an earth are you arguing that a boycott is inappropriate?

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 6:03:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		Two of your links are to an interview in which Mackey acknowledges that "fascism" was a bad choice of words:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2013/01/16/169413848/whole-foods-founder-john-mackey-on-fascism-and-conscious-capitalism?ft=1&f=3

"Well, I think that was a bad choice of words on my part ... that word has an association with of course dictatorships in the 20th century like Germany and Spain, and Italy. What I know is that we no longer have free enterprise capitalism in health care, it's not a system any longer where people are able to innovate, it's not based on voluntary exchange. The government is directing it. So we need a new word for it. I don't know what the right word is," Mackey says.


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This grocer seems to think Obamacare is Fascist. Does this change anyone's ideas about the store?

Link#1
Link#2
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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 6:07:16 AM   
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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 6:55:17 AM   
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But you're fine with giving your money to businesses owned by men who wouldn't piss in your ear if your brain was on fire so long as they don't have a hiring policy that reflects their prejudices?


If I like what they were selling, then yes. I am not stupid enough to believe that the owner of every store I go into is accepting of gays.

What's the one form of protest that actually works in the late capitalism we live in?


Are you refering to boycotting? A favorite of a group called onemillionmoms although onemillionmorons would be closer to the truth. They would send out mass mailings every time one of them got a bee up their bonnet and have their members call which ever company had pissed them off that day to threaten a boycott. Of course at the same time, people on the other side of the argument would call the same store and congratulate them on standing up to the group and pledge their loyalty to the store. One of their current targets was JC Penney. Not the first time they have boycotted that one and it doesn't seem to have had any effect on the store. My personal favorite is Wal Mart. I can't count the number of time they have been boycotted. Must be why there are no more Wal Mart's around since you say it's the only protest that actually works. Oh wait, they are still around. In fact they just opened a new store near here. So maybe you could help out and tell me which boycott has actually worked lately?

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RE: Does this matter to anyone? - 1/20/2013 10:25:32 AM   
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And, regardless, who are we to decide what a person can and can not do, donate to, or support? Unless there becomes a Government mandate that everyone has to eat there x/week or something, you have the freedom to choose to eat there or not.

So why an earth are you arguing that a boycott is inappropriate?


If you boycott Whole Foods, what are you actually boycotting? Are you boycotting the owner? The owners ideas? Or, the employees? How is a boycott of Whole Foods going to change the owner's mind? It won't do anything other than attempt to shut him up. It's not going to change anything. Isn't that the point of a boycott; to effect a desired change?

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