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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

If you need to pass a drug test to receive a benefit like food stamps, shouldn't you have to pass a drug test to receive a benefit which could be used to kill someone?

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Give a man a fish he has food for a day.
Teach a man to fish he has food for a lifetime.

I thought it was "Teach a man to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day"

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Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

I guess you only read the part of an article you can bend to support your views.

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Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts

The present laws already make it illegal to purchase a gun to knowingly bypass certain laws[i.e. buying a gun for a convicted felon].If the gun laws were enforced that are already on the books and the criminals actually faced the full sentence for the crimes commited then maybe we might see a reduction.But when present laws are not enforced or applied piece-meal then why try writing more laws?

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Warren v. District of Columbia is one of the leading cases of this type. Two women were upstairs in a townhouse when they heard their roommate, a third woman, being attacked downstairs by intruders. They phoned the police several times and were assured that officers were on the way. After about 30 minutes, when their roommate's screams had stopped, they assumed the police had finally arrived. When the two women went downstairs they saw that in fact the police never came, but the intruders were still there. As the Warren court graphically states in the opinion: "For the next fourteen hours the women were held captive, raped, robbed, beaten, forced to commit sexual acts upon each other, and made to submit to the sexual demands of their attackers."

The three women sued the District of Columbia for failing to protect them, but D.C.'s highest court exonerated the District and its police, saying that it is a "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen."

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A 1981 case....

I never said you couldnt defend yourself.

I never said you couldnt own any firearm your little heart desires.

I would make it legal for you to own anything you wish.

I would also make you responsible for what happens to that weapon after you purchase it.

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

I guess you only read the part of an article you can bend to support your views.

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Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts

The present laws already make it illegal to purchase a gun to knowingly bypass certain laws[i.e. buying a gun for a convicted felon].If the gun laws were enforced that are already on the books and the criminals actually faced the full sentence for the crimes commited then maybe we might see a reduction.But when present laws are not enforced or applied piece-meal then why try writing more laws?

I read the whole article, FYI in Columbine shooting the underage kids, had a friend buy them the weapons. In the Sandy Hook shooting the guns were just there, his mother never secured them. So the article is current.

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ORIGINAL: Kirata
That's very true. Citizens who are all alone with no radio communications or bulletproof vests have the option of allowing themselves to be assaulted, raped, or killed. After all, things are so much more civilized that way. I've always said, "Why can't we be more like the British?"

You can cite a few home invasions where helpless unarmed Brits have been assaulted raped or killed by tooled up home invaders then, can you?

Where do you see anything in my post about home invasions? But since you ask, it appears to be an ongoing issue...

As gun ownership declines, home invasions increase (2004) (reprint)
An Englishman's home is his dungeon (2004)
Britain polls highest in EU survey of burglary rates (2007)
Burglary victims attacked in their own home once every 30 minutes (2010)

Maybe if you spent less time telling Americans how to live you'd know more about what's going on in your own country?

K.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A 1981 case....

I never said you couldnt defend yourself.

I never said you couldnt own any firearm your little heart desires.

I would make it legal for you to own anything you wish.

I would also make you responsible for what happens to that weapon after you purchase it.

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According to Moon's profile they are in OZ.

Well I dunno, but his post mentioned "helpless unarmed Brits" and his profile says "Stoke, UK".

K.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A 1981 case....

I never said you couldnt defend yourself.

I never said you couldnt own any firearm your little heart desires.

I would make it legal for you to own anything you wish.

I would also make you responsible for what happens to that weapon after you purchase it.

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ORIGINAL: BamaD

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A 1981 case....

I never said you couldnt defend yourself.

I never said you couldnt own any firearm your little heart desires.

I would make it legal for you to own anything you wish.

I would also make you responsible for what happens to that weapon after you purchase it.

You have also said that anything semi auto would have to be kept at a gun club making it totally unavaliable to the "owner" would be toughfor people like me, the nearest gun club is at least 100 miles away more likely 250

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

But honestly, brit, aussie, what is the difference?

Yeah I know, they all look alike.

K.

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ORIGINAL: punisher440

I guess you only read the part of an article you can bend to support your views.

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Another large source of guns used in crimes are unlicensed street dealers who either get their guns through illegal transactions with licensed dealers, straw purchases, or from gun thefts. These illegal dealers turn around and sell these illegally on the street. An additional way criminals gain access to guns is family and friends, either through sales, theft or as gifts

The present laws already make it illegal to purchase a gun to knowingly bypass certain laws[i.e. buying a gun for a convicted felon].If the gun laws were enforced that are already on the books and the criminals actually faced the full sentence for the crimes commited then maybe we might see a reduction.But when present laws are not enforced or applied piece-meal then why try writing more laws?

I read the whole article, FYI in Columbine shooting the underage kids, had a friend buy them the weapons. In the Sandy Hook shooting the guns were just there, his mother never secured them. So the article is current.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A 1981 case....

I never said you couldnt defend yourself.

I never said you couldnt own any firearm your little heart desires.

I would make it legal for you to own anything you wish.

I would also make you responsible for what happens to that weapon after you purchase it.

You have also said that anything semi auto would have to be kept at a gun club making it totally unavaliable to the "owner" would be toughfor people like me, the nearest gun club is at least 100 miles away more likely 250

Actually she amended that at one point, stating that a keypad and key lock gunsafe would be the perfect solution. I have one, but then I have my grandkids coming around and I have an 11 month old nephew that has already mastered opening child locked cabinets. I honestly think he is a reincarnated safe cracker.