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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/4/2013 7:16:52 PM   
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Have any unbiased person watch the tape and see what they think.


A perfect example of the reality denial that caused me to leave the republican party.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/4/2013 7:30:38 PM   
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Have any unbiased person watch the tape and see what they think.

A perfect example of the reality denial that caused me to leave the republican party.


You were in the Republican Party, and left because of the "reality denial?!?!?" ROTFLMFAO!!!

With your leanings, how was it you were in the GOP to begin with?!?

I was going back and forth with an extreme liberal on FB. He told me he left the GOP because they were two-faced. It was the hypocrisy that he hated. And, at least the Democrat Party was honest about what they were going to do. It wasn't the policies, but the hypocrisy.

So, you left because of "reality denial" and not policy beliefs? Did you flip over to the D's and change your beliefs because they weren't denying reality, or were your beliefs already in line?

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/4/2013 8:12:25 PM   
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With your leanings, how was it you were in the GOP to begin with?!?


I'm not by any means a unique snowflake, if you look at the fairly typical NH majority political positions you'll generally find me in there. We used to be a rather conservative leaning state but we've been moving away from the Republican Party as they've been moving toward the crazy.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 5:01:13 AM   
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With your leanings, how was it you were in the GOP to begin with?!?

I'm not by any means a unique snowflake, if you look at the fairly typical NH majority political positions you'll generally find me in there. We used to be a rather conservative leaning state but we've been moving away from the Republican Party as they've been moving toward the crazy.


Now, you speak for all of NH?!? I'd say you have a God-complex, but that would be a bit too ironic (and inaccurate, but, damn would it be ironic to epic proportions).

Are moving away from being "conservative leaning," are they moving away from you (from conservative to crazy), or both?

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 5:08:19 AM   
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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 6:59:34 AM   
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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 2:25:02 PM   
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In order to find an interpretation of my words that was any more delusional, I think it would have to involve a house cat alien conspiracy.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 2:27:08 PM   
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*Face Palm*

In order to find an interpretation of my words that was any more delusional, I think it would have to involve a house cat alien conspiracy.



Hey, dont disrespect the house cat conspiracy, do dogs demand a special in door facility to shit and piss in and expect YOU to clean it out daily?


And considering where some people are going with this stuff, I decided to go to the extreme bizarre insane backward direction

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 3:02:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Have any unbiased person watch the tape and see what they think.

A perfect example of the reality denial that caused me to leave the republican party.


You were in the Republican Party, and left because of the "reality denial?!?!?" ROTFLMFAO!!!

With your leanings, how was it you were in the GOP to begin with?!?

I was going back and forth with an extreme liberal on FB. He told me he left the GOP because they were two-faced. It was the hypocrisy that he hated. And, at least the Democrat Party was honest about what they were going to do. It wasn't the policies, but the hypocrisy.

So, you left because of "reality denial" and not policy beliefs? Did you flip over to the D's and change your beliefs because they weren't denying reality, or were your beliefs already in line?

I left the Republican Party officially in 2008.....my reasons included the Religious Right driving the bus,my beliefs evolved over time...as they continue to do.
Are you claiming your beliefs to be set in stone ?

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 7:27:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
Have any unbiased person watch the tape and see what they think.

A perfect example of the reality denial that caused me to leave the republican party.

You were in the Republican Party, and left because of the "reality denial?!?!?" ROTFLMFAO!!!
With your leanings, how was it you were in the GOP to begin with?!?
I was going back and forth with an extreme liberal on FB. He told me he left the GOP because they were two-faced. It was the hypocrisy that he hated. And, at least the Democrat Party was honest about what they were going to do. It wasn't the policies, but the hypocrisy.
So, you left because of "reality denial" and not policy beliefs? Did you flip over to the D's and change your beliefs because they weren't denying reality, or were your beliefs already in line?

I left the Republican Party officially in 2008.....my reasons included the Religious Right driving the bus,my beliefs evolved over time...as they continue to do.
Are you claiming your beliefs to be set in stone ?


I know my beliefs aren't set in stone. And, your claim of why you left the GOP raises no questions with me. The different between your claim and GotSteel's was that you acknowledge your beliefs changed. GotSteel claimed to have left the GOP because of their "reality denial." I am not a Republican. I would have said I was up into 2008, but that's when it all changed for me. Spring '08; Bush started bailing out the financial companies. That was it for me. Oddly enough, I've gotten more liberal in my social beliefs and more conservative in my fiscal beliefs.

If you were to have left a party without your beliefs changing, you'd have either been wrong to change, or had been in the wrong party to start with.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 9:03:06 PM   
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If you were to have left a party without your beliefs changing, you'd have either been wrong to change, or had been in the wrong party to start with.


I take issue with this because you're ignoring that the party has changed, Regan would not fit in well with todays republican party. NH is a much more blue state than it used to be not because the positions of New Hampshirites have changed that much but because the party has moved out from underneath us.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/5/2013 10:09:15 PM   
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And considering where some people are going with this stuff, I decided to go to the extreme bizarre insane backward direction


You're not the only one.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/6/2013 5:16:03 AM   
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If you were to have left a party without your beliefs changing, you'd have either been wrong to change, or had been in the wrong party to start with.

I take issue with this because you're ignoring that the party has changed, Regan would not fit in well with todays republican party. NH is a much more blue state than it used to be not because the positions of New Hampshirites have changed that much but because the party has moved out from underneath us.


So, rather than work to "fix" the GOP from the inside, you bolt? Has the Democrat Party gone conservative, or have your beliefs changed to the point where you're now okay with what you weren't okay with before? That's the point I'm trying to make. Yes, party platforms do change and vary, but the core principles don't change all that much. They may manifest differently, but they are still there. I'm sure some asshat will jump in and make all sorts of wild BS claims that the GOP is all about war, corporations, stripping choice from women, blah, blah, blah. That only exacerbates arguments. I agree more with the Democrat Party stance overall than ever have before. I still disagree more than I agree, but that shouldn't be a surprise. They haven't changed all that much, and my beliefs in some areas has. On the biggest issues - in my opinion - I tend to agree more with the GOP than the Democrats. As a whole, I agree most with the Libertarian Party, than either.

You claimed to have left the GOP because of "reality denial", in your assessment. Your claim was not that your beliefs changed, which would be understandable and I certainly wouldn't have questioned it. I completely understand it, and have done the same.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/6/2013 6:01:26 PM   
GotSteel


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I am not a Republican. I would have said I was up into 2008, but that's when it all changed for me. Spring '08; Bush started bailing out the financial companies. That was it for me.


So, rather than work to "fix" the GOP from the inside, you bolt?

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/6/2013 7:06:55 PM   
DesideriScuri


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I am not a Republican. I would have said I was up into 2008, but that's when it all changed for me. Spring '08; Bush started bailing out the financial companies. That was it for me.

So, rather than work to "fix" the GOP from the inside, you bolt?


My views have changed. I've already stated that. Bush's bailouts were the last straw for me. Had to take a good hard look at what it was I really believed in and what the parties really believed in. Up to that point, I didn't really know much about the Libertarian Party, either. My views align more with their platform than any other. So, no, I'm not going to "fix" the GOP from the inside because it's not going to be "fixable." It will never be the Libertarian platform.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/6/2013 8:05:02 PM   
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It will never be the Libertarian platform.


Why not?

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/6/2013 9:17:41 PM   
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It will never be the Libertarian platform.

Why not?


Because they won't. And, that is all the more reason, imo, to buildup the Libertarian Party.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/7/2013 5:41:54 PM   
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I honestly couldn't believe this, so I checked tvguide.com myself.
While it didn't list Springer as being what will be showing, it did say "Local Programming,"...which probably means Springer.
I'm sure Fox will be showing it, really...I have to believe this was an oversight on the part of whatever staffer has as their job to report the station's programming.


Or, they are bucking the trend to show their viewers what their viewers actually want to see (not saying that CBS/ABC/NBC viewers don't want to see the inauguration)?

I don't see the point (and have never) in watching the Inauguration. What is the difference made between when you woke up and after watching it? Has your life actually changed?



You're talking about a country where a large percentage of TV watchers will spend a whole evening watching a bunch of show business types in monkey suits tell each other how wonderful they are.

One might learn a thing or two about an inauguree's intentions for the forthcoming term by listening to an Inaugural Address One might even hear a heck of a good speech. (Granted, neither is highly likely, but hey, it's happened.) What useful knowledge does one gain from listening to endless Academy Award (Grammy, Emmy, etc ad nauseum) acceptance speeches?

{Edited for, umm, editing reasons.}

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/7/2013 5:57:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: muhly22222
I honestly couldn't believe this, so I checked tvguide.com myself.
While it didn't list Springer as being what will be showing, it did say "Local Programming,"...which probably means Springer.
I'm sure Fox will be showing it, really...I have to believe this was an oversight on the part of whatever staffer has as their job to report the station's programming.

Or, they are bucking the trend to show their viewers what their viewers actually want to see (not saying that CBS/ABC/NBC viewers don't want to see the inauguration)?
I don't see the point (and have never) in watching the Inauguration. What is the difference made between when you woke up and after watching it? Has your life actually changed?

You're talking about a country where a large percentage of TV watchers will spend a whole evening watching a bunch of show business types in monkey suits tell each other how wonderful they are.
One might learn a thing or two about an inauguree's intentions for the forthcoming term by listening to an Inaugural Address One might even hear a heck of a good speech. (Granted, neither is highly likely, but hey, it's happened.) What useful knowledge does one gain from listening to endless Academy Award (Grammy, Emmy, etc ad nauseum) acceptance speeches?
{Edited for, umm, editing reasons.}


Shouldn't the campaign have been about the intentions of the forthcoming term? Whoops. Sorry. Forgot. Both parties use the campaigns t smear the other party in as much shit as possible. While I'm not saying that you get nothing out of an Inaugural Address, you don't have to watch it live to get something out of it. It will be easily found on the internet in practically no time at all. Thus, all the pomp and circumstance surrounding it is nothing other than show, decoration, and yet another reason for our Federal Government to spend a shitload of money on something that really isn't going to do a damn thing, in the long run.

I can not conjure up any recollection of ever choosing to watch one of the awards shows, except that I did watch the first "Slammy" Award Show (WWE Pro Wrestling). It was actually well done with only a minimum of "main event marketing." Damn. I just looked it up and, it seems, I watched the 3rd Slammy Award Show. The part I liked best was the Lifetime Achievement Award and the video history of "Classy" Freddie Blassie. But, I digress...

Those shows are mindless filler for those that are mindlessly following some Hollywood type.

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RE: Keeping the TV watching public informed - 2/8/2013 6:56:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: HarryVanWinkle
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: muhly22222
I honestly couldn't believe this, so I checked tvguide.com myself.
While it didn't list Springer as being what will be showing, it did say "Local Programming,"...which probably means Springer.
I'm sure Fox will be showing it, really...I have to believe this was an oversight on the part of whatever staffer has as their job to report the station's programming.

Or, they are bucking the trend to show their viewers what their viewers actually want to see (not saying that CBS/ABC/NBC viewers don't want to see the inauguration)?
I don't see the point (and have never) in watching the Inauguration. What is the difference made between when you woke up and after watching it? Has your life actually changed?

You're talking about a country where a large percentage of TV watchers will spend a whole evening watching a bunch of show business types in monkey suits tell each other how wonderful they are.
One might learn a thing or two about an inauguree's intentions for the forthcoming term by listening to an Inaugural Address One might even hear a heck of a good speech. (Granted, neither is highly likely, but hey, it's happened.) What useful knowledge does one gain from listening to endless Academy Award (Grammy, Emmy, etc ad nauseum) acceptance speeches?
{Edited for, umm, editing reasons.}


Shouldn't the campaign have been about the intentions of the forthcoming term? Whoops. Sorry. Forgot. Both parties use the campaigns t smear the other party in as much shit as possible. While I'm not saying that you get nothing out of an Inaugural Address, you don't have to watch it live to get something out of it. It will be easily found on the internet in practically no time at all. Thus, all the pomp and circumstance surrounding it is nothing other than show, decoration, and yet another reason for our Federal Government to spend a shitload of money on something that really isn't going to do a damn thing, in the long run.

I can not conjure up any recollection of ever choosing to watch one of the awards shows, except that I did watch the first "Slammy" Award Show (WWE Pro Wrestling). It was actually well done with only a minimum of "main event marketing." Damn. I just looked it up and, it seems, I watched the 3rd Slammy Award Show. The part I liked best was the Lifetime Achievement Award and the video history of "Classy" Freddie Blassie. But, I digress...



I was not, of course, accusing you personally of watching that, or any other, garbage.

Campaigns are about getting elected, nothing more. Anybody who actually believes the promises politicians make in order to get elected is either very young, very naive, or simply doesn't pay much attention. A politician is, after all, a person with far too few morals and ethics to stay a lawyer.

And, I quite agree with you that it's not necessary to watch the inauguration in order to get the gist of the speech. I haven't watched one, or much of anything else on TV, for years.

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Those shows are mindless filler for those that are mindlessly following some Hollywood type.



Umm, ALL shows are mindless filler to deliver a mindless audience to the advertisers.

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