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servantforuse -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 3:00:19 PM)

TFB might not be responsible for these charges, but her 'daddy' is. They are in his name. He will have the bad credit. He is the one that might end up in court. He is the one that might have his wages garnished.




MariaB -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 3:50:20 PM)


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Let me disagree with something Maria said: they WILL take you to court even if you don't owe them a ton of money. We get cases filed daily for relatively small amounts.

Let me disagree with Level. They MAY take you to court for small amounts. It's nowhere near a certainty. Much closer to "maybe" then "for sure".


True. But if they owe a grand or two, I'd lean towards "likely".


Do you record what I said in my first post? Right at the top I said I was talking about the UK. One of the reasons people have been able to walk away from unsecured credit in the UK is because its an unsecured debt!! That means the lender hasn't asked for any security other than an IOU.
Credit was handed out like cake at a birthday party for too many years. It was aimed at the vulnerable classes, those who were always going to struggle to pay it back. Pay day lending services that lend until payday and charge two and a half thousand interest rate!!
The courts have very much turned their backs on such creditors and more often than not see those being dragged into court for measly amounts of money, as victims.
The UK is obviously different to America but thats why I said 'UK'




littlewonder -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 3:57:31 PM)

It will destroy your credit for over 7 years, which means you will never be able to buy a home, get any credit anyplace ever again and they could take you to court and if you don't show up you can have a warrant for your arrest and not only will you have to pay the debt but also all the court costs and interest.





Level -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:14:21 PM)

lw, the only state I've ever heard of someone being arrested for this was Minnesota, if I remember right, and there was dispute over the legality of that.




littlewonder -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:17:49 PM)

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And ignoring a judgement won't get you arrested for "contempt of court." A creditor has to really go out of their way to try to make this happen. There was a case recently, somewhere in the midwest I believe, and I believe it was overturned.


Actually, yes they can. It's not the cc company that sends out the arrest warrant. It's the judge. I had to sit in on cases for the judges, type them up and take them to the sheriff's office every single day.

ETA: The sheriff sometimes made arrests where I worked but most times they would be brought before the judge and payment arrangements would be made. But if it could not be heard in front of a judge that same day, well you sat in jail for a night or weekend. Once someone was arrested, the copy of the arrest record was sent to our office where it was entered into the system.

And I think one of the smallest judgments I can remember entering into our system was around $500 I think from a Wells Fargo bank or affiliate. They seemed to be one of most regular collectors.




Level -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:22:21 PM)

What state?

I work in a court in Texas, and it doesn't happen here. There are very few civil cases where contempt of court can be filed, at least here, and it's almost exclusively landlord/tenant related.




Powergamz1 -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:23:49 PM)

I'd like to see a citation where any state has denied the legality of bench warrants or contempt of court. Certainly the Supremes didn't get the memo.


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lw, the only state I've ever heard of someone being arrested for this was Minnesota, if I remember right, and there was dispute over the legality of that.





littlewonder -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:25:33 PM)


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What state?

I work in a court in Texas, and it doesn't happen here. There are very few civil cases where contempt of court can be filed, at least here, and it's almost exclusively landlord/tenant related.


It was in PA. I worked in the court system there for over 5 years directly with the judges.




Level -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:28:21 PM)


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What state?

I work in a court in Texas, and it doesn't happen here. There are very few civil cases where contempt of court can be filed, at least here, and it's almost exclusively landlord/tenant related.


It was in PA. I worked in the court system there for over 5 years directly with the judges.



District court or? Not trying to grill you, I'm just curious.




littlewonder -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:30:22 PM)

county court




Level -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:34:26 PM)

Ahh. I work in a lowly JP court, things can be different, for sure.




Kaliko -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:36:32 PM)


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Unless you specifically breached a contract, they cannot sue you or take your property, unless your debt is secured -- meaning you had to put up collateral to get it. Most credit card debt is unsecured. They will call to harass you for a while, fuck up your credit score, but they won't sue. The debt will be erased from your credit after seven years, or you can file bankruptcy to discharge what you owe. (Student loan debt, child support, and IRS tax penalties cannot be discharged, and secured debts may have to be paid off, or you'll have to give up the collateral you used to secure the debt.)

Payday advance companies can and WILL sue, since you often promise to pay them on a specific day, with interest.

ETA: if you need help looking into bankruptcy and/or debt counseling, let me know. been there, done that.


Well said
Im from the UK where unsecured unpaid credit card debt is sold on to chaser companies every six months. The debt is sold on for a lot less than what you owe. e.g if you owe them 5,000 the debt will be sold on for 3,000 and six months later will be sold on for 1,000. Eventually companies will be buying your 5,000 dollar debt for 100 dollars but they will be chasing you for the 5,000.
What I would strongly suggest you do is, sit tight. Don't answer your phone to them and don't reply to mail.
If your debt is more than 50,000 its likely they will take you to court but before it gets that far you can go into voluntary bancrupsy.... like absolutechocolat says.
If its around 10-15 thousand the debt is only worth chasing by phone calls and letters. Taking you to court, especially when the likelihood of you not being able to repay is high, is just not something these credit companies do, they simply can't afford to. Remember you are not alone. More people are not paying their credit cards than ever before.
Your phone will ring continuously. They have people sitting round the clock making these phone calls and these people are on huge commissions, I know, I ashamedly used to work for a company that did this.
After about 3 months its going to go quiet because you are going further and further down the pile and you are no longer considered as a 'hot debtor'.
Once the phone calls and threatening mail becomes active again, that is when your debt is in new hands
You can then write to the company and ask them if they have purchased your debt and if so how much did they purchase it for?
They won't tell you because they want to collect what you originally owe even though they may of only paid 1 thousand dollars for the 5 thousand they are trying to collect. The problem now is, they are not allowed to lie and so put in this quandary they will once again sell your debt off at rock bottom price.
Each time it gets busy again re-write with that same question. Tell them you are willing to negotiate with them but the negotiations will be what they paid for the debt.

Get rid of the white knights because its going to cause you nothing but grief. Whatever you do, don't allow any of your family to countersign anything on your behalf. These companies often negotiate with creditors on the basis of turning an escapable unsecured debt into a un-escapable secured one.

Another thing you should be aware of is about interest charges. Once an account is turned over for collection the interest stops but once your debt is sold on the account is re-opened and growing interest rates are re-triggered. Now when someone buys your debt they also purchase the interest owing and any penalties on the account. Having the interest frozen on an account is only good until that account is sold.. worth keeping in mind.






Wow. Very informative post. :) Thank you!




Baroana -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:53:43 PM)


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Unless you specifically breached a contract, they cannot sue you or take your property, unless your debt is secured -- meaning you had to put up collateral to get it. Most credit card debt is unsecured. They will call to harass you for a while, fuck up your credit score, but they won't sue. The debt will be erased from your credit after seven years, or you can file bankruptcy to discharge what you owe. (Student loan debt, child support, and IRS tax penalties cannot be discharged, and secured debts may have to be paid off, or you'll have to give up the collateral you used to secure the debt.)

Payday advance companies can and WILL sue, since you often promise to pay them on a specific day, with interest.

ETA: if you need help looking into bankruptcy and/or debt counseling, let me know. been there, done that.



Honey, failing to pay a credit card IS breaching a contract. The creditor has a right to sue and obtain a judgment. They then have the right to collect that judgment. In my state, if not in every state, the creditor also has the right to subpoena the debtor for a deposition and/or written information. If the debtor fails to provide such information, the court WILL honor an application for a bench warrant.




Powergamz1 -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:56:07 PM)

The Texas constitution explicitly bars using contempt to collect a 'debt'.

However, that doesn't mean that someone can dance around in front of a Texas judge laughing about being 'judgement proof'... the contempt order would simply be the old fashioned kind.
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What state?

I work in a court in Texas, and it doesn't happen here. There are very few civil cases where contempt of court can be filed, at least here, and it's almost exclusively landlord/tenant related.





littlewonder -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 4:58:16 PM)

exactly. We didn't take the warrants out on the debt, it was on the contempt order. You don't show up, you can be arrested. It was up to the judge your case was being heard before and not all the judges were nice. We had at least two who were the type that got pissed off and would make arrest warrants each and every time.




Level -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 5:09:14 PM)


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The Texas constitution explicitly bars using contempt to collect a 'debt'.

However, that doesn't mean that someone can dance around in front of a Texas judge laughing about being 'judgement proof'... the contempt order would simply be the old fashioned kind.
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ORIGINAL: Level

What state?

I work in a court in Texas, and it doesn't happen here. There are very few civil cases where contempt of court can be filed, at least here, and it's almost exclusively landlord/tenant related.




Yeah, the only cases I hear of it happening are tenant's remedy type cases.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 5:19:37 PM)

Yes, that's good, but when shit hits his fan it hits mine too, indirectly, so I am hoping with all my heart the shits not going to hit any fans.
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Well, the positive thing about this is that since the cards are actually TFB's partner's, not hers, at least it isn't going to affect her.

Considering that the debts are his, not hers, that is a good thing.





littlewonder -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 5:21:41 PM)

I can see that, since you were the one who wanted them and you talked him into this. Hopefully you both learn a valuable lesson from this. As for your pets, you really need to look into pet insurance if you're going to continue to keep and care for animals. It seems that you take in pets that have issues.




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 5:26:42 PM)

At the rate we're struggling now, even with out the card debt on each of our behalves, I doubt we'd ever be able to buy a house anywhere near the next 7 years. His credit was pretty shit to begin with after an issue with a bill being defaulted that was never his to pay or his fault technically, and he still managed to get 4 credit cards , some with very high limits. True they also have very high APR's and the company sucks donkey dick to deal with some of them, but he has them.


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It will destroy your credit for over 7 years, which means you will never be able to buy a home, get any credit anyplace ever again




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: What is the worst credit card companies can do if you default on your account and won't pay? (1/24/2013 5:34:03 PM)

Oh, definitely I don't know about him, I suspect he has, but I sure in the hell have learned a lesson. Our dogs do not have issues when we get them, but like all creatures as they age, they get them. The thing is I don't know if pet insurance would cover the things that they have going wrong, and I certainly will ask though, but it's kind of like as little as they get sick until something big hits the fan, isn't it kind of a not totally necessary expenditure to have it, specially if it won't cover what is ailing our babies?
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I can see that, since you were the one who wanted them and you talked him into this. Hopefully you both learn a valuable lesson from this. As for your pets, you really need to look into pet insurance if you're going to continue to keep and care for animals. It seems that you take in pets that have issues.





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