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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The NRA has done more to fear monger and scaring people into wanting more restrictions for guns than any other lobbying group.  And the stupid shit wouldn't pass like 1994, that was teabaggers shitting their pants cuz someone shot one.

Of course they do. How else are they going to get these idiots to keep sending them money? It isn't in the NRA's best interest to be reasonable about guns.

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There was a point to my asking, Tazzy, not just being an ass. Well, not any more of one than normal, anyway.

just, rational, appropriate, ordinary and usual are all also subjective terms.

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Why don't those people take that money and buy guns for other americans then?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There was a point to my asking, Tazzy, not just being an ass. Well, not any more of one than normal, anyway.

just, rational, appropriate, ordinary and usual are all also subjective terms.

Most everything is a subjective term, even the word "alive" is subjective.. even the word "dead" as one can be brain dead yet kept alive on a machine.

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

Democrats are the masters of tripping over unintended consequences. People who would have never thought of owning a gun are now arming themselves. Go try and find a semi-auto rifle in the gun shops. Same with some ammunition. Even law enforcement is having a tough time keeping ammo on hand.

Says the party that lied/tricked us into Iraq......killing thousands of our GIs....

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ORIGINAL: LizDeluxe

They have little choice but to grandfather in pre-owned guns. I may go gun shopping this weekend. Help support the local economy. Obama and his minions don't realize how close they are treading towards revolution in this country.

If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

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Reasonable is also a legal term.
"Reasonable doubt","reasonable suspicion" ,etc.
It`s not a weasel word there for people to abuse or misuse.

Any proof to back up your assertion?

reasonable adj., adv. in law, just, rational, appropriate, ordinary or usual in the circumstances. It may refer to care, cause, compensation, doubt (in a criminal trial), and a host of other actions or activities.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/reasonable

For fuck sake.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There was a point to my asking, Tazzy, not just being an ass. Well, not any more of one than normal, anyway.
just, rational, appropriate, ordinary and usual are all also subjective terms.

Most everything is a subjective term, even the word "alive" is subjective.. even the word "dead" as one can be brain dead yet kept alive on a machine.

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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There was a point to my asking, Tazzy, not just being an ass. Well, not any more of one than normal, anyway.
just, rational, appropriate, ordinary and usual are all also subjective terms.

Most everything is a subjective term, even the word "alive" is subjective.. even the word "dead" as one can be brain dead yet kept alive on a machine.

And, in the medical world, can't "brain dead" be reason enough for allowing the plug to be pulled without ethical considerations?

Recall the maelstrom that surrounded the Terri Schiavo case? Can you not see how Government being in charge of making up their mind about the precise definition of a subjective term should scare the shit out of people who believe in Liberty and Freedom of choice?

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
The NRA has done more to fear monger and scaring people into wanting more restrictions for guns than any other lobbying group.  And the stupid shit wouldn't pass like 1994, that was teabaggers shitting their pants cuz someone shot one.

Of course they do. How else are they going to get these idiots to keep sending them money? It isn't in the NRA's best interest to be reasonable about guns.

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There was a point to my asking, Tazzy, not just being an ass. Well, not any more of one than normal, anyway.

just, rational, appropriate, ordinary and usual are all also subjective terms.

Most everything is a subjective term, even the word "alive" is subjective.. even the word "dead" as one can be brain dead yet kept alive on a machine.

Dead and brain dead are not the same word. "dead" , as in deceased only means one thing.

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And, in the medical world, can't "brain dead" be reason enough for allowing the plug to be pulled without ethical considerations?

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Recall the maelstrom that surrounded the Terri Schiavo case? Can you not see how Government being in charge of making up their mind about the precise definition of a subjective term should scare the shit out of people who believe in Liberty and Freedom of choice?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: blacksword404

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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There was a point to my asking, Tazzy, not just being an ass. Well, not any more of one than normal, anyway.
just, rational, appropriate, ordinary and usual are all also subjective terms.

Most everything is a subjective term, even the word "alive" is subjective.. even the word "dead" as one can be brain dead yet kept alive on a machine.

Dead and brain dead are not the same word. "dead" , as in deceased only means one thing.

dead
/ded/
Adjective
No longer alive.
brain dead
Web definitions
having irreversible loss of brain function as indicated by a persistent flat electroencephalogram; "was declared brain dead".
Brain death, either of the whole brain or the brain stem, is used as a legal indicator of death in many jurisdictions.
And yet, we can have a dead brain and a "live" body... is the person dead or not?

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Below are the types of firearms that would be prohibited under the bill introduced by Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., according to her website. For more on this story, follow our coverage here.

Rifles:
All AK types, including the following: AK, AK47, AK47S, AK-74, AKM, AKS, ARM, MAK90, MISR, NHM90, NHM91, Rock River Arms LAR-47, SA85, SA93, Vector Arms AK-47, VEPR, WASR-10, and WUM, IZHMASH Saiga AK, MAADI AK47 and ARM, Norinco 56S, 56S2, 84S, and 86S, Poly Technologies AK47 and AKS; All AR types, including the following: AR-10, AR-15, Armalite M15 22LR Carbine, Armalite M15-T, Barrett REC7, Beretta AR-70, Bushmaster ACR, Bushmaster Carbon 15, Bushmaster MOE series, Bushmaster XM15, Colt Match Target Rifles, DoubleStar AR rifles, DPMS Tactical Rifles, Heckler & Koch MR556, Olympic Arms, Remington R-15 rifles, Rock River Arms LAR-15, Sig Sauer SIG516 rifles, Smith & Wesson M&P15 Rifles, Stag Arms AR rifles, Sturm, Ruger & Co. SR556 rifles; Barrett M107A1; Barrett M82A1; Beretta CX4 Storm; Calico Liberty Series; CETME Sporter; Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max 1, Max 2, AR 100, and AR 110C; Fabrique Nationale/FN Herstal FAL, LAR, 22 FNC, 308 Match, L1A1 Sporter, PS90, SCAR, and FS2000; Feather Industries AT-9; Galil Model AR and Model ARM; Hi-Point Carbine; HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, HK-PSG-1 and HK USC; Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU-16, and RFB; SIG AMT, SIG PE-57, Sig Sauer SG 550, and Sig Sauer SG 551; Springfield Armory SAR-48; Steyr AUG; Sturm, Ruger Mini-14 Tactical Rife M-14/20CF; All Thompson rifles, including the following: Thompson M1SB, Thompson T1100D, Thompson T150D, Thompson T1B, Thompson T1B100D, Thompson T1B50D, Thompson T1BSB, Thompson T1-C, Thompson T1D, Thompson T1SB, Thompson T5, Thompson T5100D, Thompson TM1, Thompson TM1C; UMAREX UZI Rifle; UZI Mini Carbine, UZI Model A Carbine, and UZI Model B Carbine; Valmet M62S, M71S, and M78; Vector Arms UZI Type; Weaver Arms Nighthawk; Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine.

Pistols: All AK-47 types, including the following: Centurion 39 AK pistol, Draco AK-47 pistol, HCR AK-47 pistol, IO Inc. Hellpup AK-47 pistol, Krinkov pistol, Mini Draco AK-47 pistol, Yugo Krebs Krink pistol; All AR-15 types, including the following: American Spirit AR-15 pistol, Bushmaster Carbon 15 pistol, DoubleStar Corporation AR pistol, DPMS AR-15 pistol, Olympic Arms AR-15 pistol, Rock River Arms LAR 15 pistol; Calico Liberty pistols; DSA SA58 PKP FAL pistol; Encom MP-9 and MP-45; Heckler & Koch model SP-89 pistol; Intratec AB-10, TEC-22 Scorpion, TEC-9, and TEC-DC9; Kel-Tec PLR 16 pistol; The following MAC types: MAC-10, MAC-11; Masterpiece Arms MPA A930 Mini Pistol, MPA460 Pistol, MPA Tactical Pistol, and MPA Mini Tactical Pistol; Military Armament Corp. Ingram M-11, Velocity Arms VMAC; Sig Sauer P556 pistol; Sites Spectre; All Thompson types, including the following: Thompson TA510D, Thompson TA5; All UZI types, including: Micro-UZI.

Shotguns: Franchi LAW-12 and SPAS 12; All IZHMASH Saiga 12 types, including the following: IZHMASH Saiga 12, IZHMASH Saiga 12S, IZHMASH Saiga 12S EXP-01, IZHMASH Saiga 12K, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-030, IZHMASH Saiga 12K-040 Taktika; Streetsweeper; Striker 12.

Belt-fed semiautomatic firearms: All belt-fed semiautomatic firearms including TNW M2HB.

http://www.feinstein.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/assault-weapons-ban-summary

Imposing a safe storage requirement for grandfathered firearms, to keep them away from prohibited persons.

Yes!

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FR.

Tommy guns. She wants to ban tommy guns. How many people have even seen one? The one I saw was in a case along with Mauser's and other guns. And none of them fired.

Seems like she just looked for scary looking guns.

Considering she is banning some weapons that do not fall into the assault weapons classification, then it looks to me like a first step to banning all guns.

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