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ShaharThorne -> What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:03:08 AM)

Don't know if this should go to the Health and Safety section but I put it here and let the mods decide.

I am trying to eliminate High Fructose Corn Syrup from my diet and so far it is working. I discovered that Tampico juice does have HFCS in it so I am kicking that one out.

Meanwhile, while reading labels, I discovered that Sunny D has plain corn syrup in it. This is what I was planning to switch to but if it is the same as HFCS, I will look elsewhere.

So, what is the difference?




absolutchocolat -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:09:52 AM)

It's pretty much the same -- high calorie sugar in liquid form. I'd do flavored sparkling water, Crystal Light packets, honey, or raw cane sugar to sweeten stuff. All of those have fewer calories, and are much better for you. Hell, I even have powdered Squirt, for when I want something soda-like without the calories or the carbonation.




Aileen1968 -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:14:32 AM)

Drink water. Add fresh squeezed lemon juice to it if you want to flavor it. Or cut up different fruits that you like and let it sit in the container in your fridge.
http://tonetiki.com/2012/04/01/apple-cinnamon-day-spa-water-0-calories/




calamitysandra -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:18:39 AM)

If you want juice, why not choose one with no added sugar at all?




SultryItalian -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:38:33 AM)

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.




EsotericLady -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:42:41 AM)

Why is that?

quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.





Aileen1968 -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:45:56 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I agree completely.
And...I think artificial sweeteners are the worst thing for our bodies.




EsotericLady -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:49:30 AM)

I was just wondering if you are familiar with how advertising works? : )
quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I agree completely.
And...I think artificial sweeteners are the worst thing for our bodies.






Aileen1968 -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:51:12 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

I was just wondering if you are familiar with how advertising works? : )
quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I agree completely.
And...I think artificial sweeteners are the worst thing for our bodies.





I'm quite aware of how advertising works. It's motivated by sales and profits.
That doesn't even come close to what is healthy for us.




SultryItalian -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:52:44 AM)

Almost all food and drink products that have a commercial are for processed foods.

The common denominator of processed foods is high fructose corn syrup.




SultryItalian -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:56:45 AM)

Is it me, or is it bizarre when someone defends consuming processed "foods"?




Aileen1968 -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 5:57:31 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Is it me, or is it bizarre when someone defends consuming processed "foods"?


It's not you. It's bizarre.




SultryItalian -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:01:42 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Is it me, or is it bizarre when someone defends consuming processed "foods"?


It's not you. It's bizarre.



Ok, good! I thought I was alone on that!




EsotericLady -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:04:24 AM)

My intention was NOT to imply in any way that you were stupid! I'm sorry if I may have come across that way, Aileen!

Of course sales motivates advertising a product, but advertising also introduces new products on the market, as well as serves as a "reminder" for those that are already on the shelves.

However just because something is advertised, it doesn't mean it is a bad thing.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: EsotericLady

I was just wondering if you are familiar with how advertising works? : )
quote:

ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


I agree completely.
And...I think artificial sweeteners are the worst thing for our bodies.





I'm quite aware of how advertising works. It's motivated by sales and profits.
That doesn't even come close to what is healthy for us.






Aileen1968 -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:07:01 AM)

Sunny D ingredients

Water ingredients...Hydrogen and oxygen.




freedomdwarf1 -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:23:20 AM)

I think it's very bizarre that people defend eating processed foods.

I was diagnosed as a type 2 diabetic 12 years and the first thing I was told was to cut out sugar!
Three years later after living my life on pills, I went and lived in the US for 8 months.
Within the first week I happened to see a diabetic specialist and they said to ignore what the UK quaks had told me and to carry on using sugar but avoid virtually all processed foods.
That's what I did! And within 2 weeks I was off my metformin and haven't needed it since.
I cut down on the fatty fried foods as well because I was quite overweight.
Obviously, everything in moderation, but I can eat pretty much what I like.
And I'm no health food nut either!

Now, 9 years later and nearly 4 stone (about 50lb) lighter, I prepare and cook just about everything from fresh ingredients from scratch.
I cheat with buying my Kingsmill thick sliced bread because it's cheaper and I happen to like it.
I also buy mild cheddar cheese because I can't be assed to wait that long to make my own.
Apart from that, just about everything is raw fresh unprocessed food.
I can still eat sweet things and biscuits like I used to (home made stuff though).
I am also finding that most things work out cheaper when I make my own and of course I know that nothing artificial goes into it.
It tastes better, is much healthier, and hasn't got all sorts of E numbers or the dreaded MSG!

I can find no good reason to go back to buying processed foods again.





LafayetteLady -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:42:01 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SultryItalian

Here's a helpful tip:

If a food or drink needs a commercial, don't buy it.


Orange juice has commercials. So does chicken, beef, various vegetables. Hell even the various bottled waters have commercials

I think that was EsotericLady's point. That your "tip" falls short of being accurate.




kalikshama -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:43:28 AM)

quote:

However just because something is advertised, it doesn't mean it is a bad thing.


Michael Pollan disagrees:

Rules Worth Following, for Everyone's Sake

...Mr. Pollan is not a biochemist or a nutritionist but rather a professor of science journalism at the University of California, Berkeley. You may recognize his name as the author of two highly praised books on food and nutrition, “In Defense of Food: An Eater’s Manifesto” and “The Omnivore’s Dilemma.” (All three books are from Penguin.)

If you don’t have the time and inclination to read the first two, you can do yourself and your family no better service than to invest $11 and one hour to whip through the 139 pages of "Food Rules" and adapt its guidance to your shopping and eating habits.

...Two fundamental facts provide the impetus Americans and other Westerners need to make dietary changes. One, as Mr. Pollan points out, is that populations who rely on the so-called Western diet — lots of processed foods, meat, added fat, sugar and refined grains — “invariably suffer from high rates of the so-called Western diseases: obesity, Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease and cancer.” Indeed, 4 of the top 10 killers of Americans are linked to this diet.

As people in Asian and Mediterranean countries have become more Westernized (affluent, citified and exposed to the fast foods exported from the United States), they have become increasingly prone to the same afflictions.

The second fact is that people who consume traditional diets, free of the ersatz foods that line our supermarket shelves, experience these diseases at much lower rates. And those who, for reasons of ill health or dietary philosophy, have abandoned Western eating habits often experience a rapid and significant improvement in their health indicators.

I will add a third reason: our economy cannot afford to continue to patch up the millions of people who each year develop a diet-related ailment, and our planetary resources simply cannot sustain our eating style and continue to support its ever-growing population.

In his last book, Mr. Pollan summarized his approach in just seven words: “Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.” The new book provides the practical steps, starting with advice to avoid “processed concoctions,” no matter what the label may claim (“no trans fats,” “low cholesterol,” “less sugar,” “reduced sodium,” “high in antioxidants” and so forth).

As Mr. Pollan puts it, “If it came from a plant, eat it; if it was made in a plant, don’t.”

Do you already avoid products made with high-fructose corn syrup? Good, but keep in mind, sugar is sugar, and if it is being added to a food that is not normally sweetened, avoid it as well. Note, too, that refined flour is hardly different from sugar once it gets into the body.

Also avoid foods advertised on television, imitation foods and food products that make health claims. No natural food is simply a collection of nutrients, and a processed food stripped of its natural goodness to which nutrients are then added is no bargain for your body.

Those who sell the most healthful foods — vegetables, fruits and whole grains — rarely have a budget to support national advertising. If you shop in a supermarket (and Mr. Pollan suggests that wherever possible, you buy fresh food at farmers’ markets), shop the periphery of the store and avoid the center aisles laden with processed foods. Note, however, that now even the dairy case has been invaded by products like gunked-up yogurts.

Follow this advice, and you will have to follow another of Mr. Pollan’s rules: “Cook.”

“Cooking for yourself,” he writes, “is the only sure way to take back control of your diet from the food scientists and food processors.” Home cooking need not be arduous or very time-consuming, and you can make up time spent at the stove with time saved not visiting doctors or shopping for new clothes to accommodate an expanding girth.




kalikshama -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:44:39 AM)

quote:

However just because something is advertised, it doesn't mean it is a bad thing.


Here's more:

In Defense of Food

Food. There’s plenty of it around, and we all love to eat it. So why should anyone need to defend it?

Because most of what we’re consuming today is not food, and how we’re consuming it — in the car, in front of the TV, and increasingly alone — is not really eating. Instead of food, we’re consuming “edible foodlike substances” — no longer the products of nature but of food science. Many of them come packaged with health claims that should be our first clue they are anything but healthy. In the so-called Western diet, food has been replaced by nutrients, and common sense by confusion. The result is what Michael Pollan calls the American paradox: The more we worry about nutrition, the less healthy we seem to become.

But if real food — the sort of food our great grandmothers would recognize as food — stands in need of defense, from whom does it need defending? From the food industry on one side and nutritional science on the other. Both stand to gain much from widespread confusion about what to eat, a question that for most of human history people have been able to answer without expert help. Yet the professionalization of eating has failed to make Americans healthier. Thirty years of official nutritional advice has only made us sicker and fatter while ruining countless numbers of meals.

Pollan proposes a new (and very old) answer to the question of what we should eat that comes down to seven simple but liberating words: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. By urging us to once again eat food, he challenges the prevailing nutrient-by-nutrient approach — what he calls nutritionism — and proposes an alternative way of eating that is informed by the traditions and ecology of real, well-grown, unprocessed food. Our personal health, he argues, cannot be divorced from the health of the food chains of which we are part.

Unhappy Meals

By Michael Pollan
The New York Times Magazine, January 28, 2007

Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.

...By comparison, the typical real food has more trouble competing under the rules of nutritionism, if only because something like a banana or an avocado can’t easily change its nutritional stripes (though rest assured the genetic engineers are hard at work on the problem). So far, at least, you can’t put oat bran in a banana. So depending on the reigning nutritional orthodoxy, the avocado might be either a high-fat food to be avoided (Old Think) or a food high in monounsaturated fat to be embraced (New Think). The fate of each whole food rises and falls with every change in the nutritional weather, while the processed foods are simply reformulated. That’s why when the Atkins mania hit the food industry, bread and pasta were given a quick redesign (dialing back the carbs; boosting the protein), while the poor unreconstructed potatoes and carrots were left out in the cold.

Of course it’s also a lot easier to slap a health claim on a box of sugary cereal than on a potato or carrot, with the perverse result that the most healthful foods in the supermarket sit there quietly in the produce section, silent as stroke victims, while a few aisles over, the Cocoa Puffs and Lucky Charms are screaming about their newfound whole-grain goodness.




MariaB -> RE: What is the difference? (1/27/2013 6:51:09 AM)

That is really interesting freedomdwarf... thanks for sharing that




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