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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 1:41:30 AM

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Yeah, well, you have to stop to ask 'how free is too free?'

Is this seriously what the country is coming to? How is that even a question?

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 1:48:07 AM

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To the Op. It's called votes, votes, votes...Nothing else matters,,

exactly.. which is why the Rs are now wanting to jump on the bandwagon, cuz Obama got the majority of the Hispanic vote.. of course, that was one of his promises so now he has to do it (he should have done that in his first term tho).. Now he doesnt have much choice if he wants pave the way for the Ds to win the next election..

And too, the public opinion has swung more into wanting immigration reform and finding a way to allow basically law-abiding illegals to become legal..

I seriously have to be the one to point out "law-abiding illegals"..?

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 4:34:14 AM

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I would be more concerned if these were jobs that Americans were competing for. The vast majority are taking jobs that the Americans don't want.

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What happened to JOBS JOBS JOBS? Why does the government want to give illegals a path to citizenship right now during a job shortage? American citizens should come first and there's too much competition for jobs as it is. Why make it worse?

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 4:37:25 AM

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Yeah, well, you have to stop to ask 'how free is too free?' If the US government can't set such basic and obvious economic policy as this, then are we a nation any more, or just a 'geographical coincidence'? Just because Wall Street doesn't like it doesn't make it wrong

You display an abysmal ignorance of both political freedom and of free market economic forces. As mentioned by another poster above retaliations against the Smoot Hawley Tariff Law of 1930 plunged the world into the Great Recession. And still another poster rightfully asked: How is that even a question?

Secondly, 100% employment has never been achieved in a free market economy; tiz just a demented Nativist fantasy. In the best of times 3% unemployment is considered "full employment." The current Fed has targeted 6% as acceptable for their mandate.

Thirdly, 75% of undocumented workers pay income tax with a Treasury issued Tax Payer ID and all pay for social security and medicare which benefits they may never receive.

Fourthly, many undocumented have created small businesses that hire the native born.

Fifth, a growing economy depends on a growing population of consumers. The native born birth rate will not provide enough workers/consumers to sustain a growing economy, or to sustain Social Security and Medicare; we are an aging population.

Finally, the world and America are changing: the days of white colonialism and white privilege are dwindling down. Globilization is here and free trade/labor will remain a factor in our lives baring a 20th Century style catastrophic war.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 4:41:10 AM

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What happened to JOBS JOBS JOBS? Why does the government want to give illegals a path to citizenship right now during a job shortage? American citizens should come first and there's too much competition for jobs as it is. Why make it worse?

In Yakima (a small town east of Seattle) they grow apples, among other things.
Washington State apples are one of the largest fruit exports this country has.
Two years ago the federalis came in and sent all the Hispanics away. They actually got paid well, either by piece work or hourly, it came out to a smidge over $12.00 an hour.
Not all that spectacular if you live in downtown Chicago or Manhattan, but not too shabby in a town where a house sells for 70 grand.
The farmers were concerned naturally because who would pick the apples?
They raised the wages 30% the next year (and charged more for apples).
The result:
70% of the replacements that came in to take the jobs quit after the first few days and 30% of the crop rotted on the ground.
In my firm, 60% of the workers are Hispanics (all legal) and they're the hardest working motherfuckers I've ever hired.
Want people to hire more Americans?
Work as hard as Mexicans do.
Do that and employers will CREATE jobs for you.

I know of a company that has, under it's employ, several undocumented Mexicans. They have been here for years; many, years. The 16-18 year old Americans the company used to hire for seasonal work were lazy. would whine, piss and moan, and dragged their feet for everything. The Mexicans hired were more productive and hardworking, and there was no complaining. But, after being in American long enough, they have gotten more like Americans in their work ethic. That is, they have gotten lazier and have begun to lose all that made them better workers. In one supervisor's words, "they became Americanized."

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 5:09:24 AM

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What happened to JOBS JOBS JOBS? Why does the government want to give illegals a path to citizenship right now during a job shortage? American citizens should come first and there's too much competition for jobs as it is. Why make it worse?

In Yakima (a small town east of Seattle) they grow apples, among other things.

Washington State apples are one of the largest fruit exports this country has.

Two years ago the federalis came in and sent all the Hispanics away. They actually got paid well, either by piece work or hourly, it came out to a smidge over $12.00 an hour.

Not all that spectacular if you live in downtown Chicago or Manhattan, but not too shabby in a town where a house sells for 70 grand.

The farmers were concerned naturally because who would pick the apples?

They raised the wages 30% the next year (and charged more for apples).

The result:

70% of the replacements that came in to take the jobs quit after the first few days and 30% of the crop rotted on the ground.

In my firm, 60% of the workers are Hispanics (all legal) and they're the hardest working motherfuckers I've ever hired.

Want people to hire more Americans?

Work as hard as Mexicans do.

Do that and employers will CREATE jobs for you.

Bullshit, you and your farmer friends love mexican workers cause you can pay them 40% less than an American. That ain't got nothing to do with how "hard" someone works. You and the farmers were/are living in an artificial economy. Thats going to come to an end. Pay a living wage and you will have all the workers you can stand.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 5:12:58 AM

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I would be more concerned if these were jobs that Americans were competing for. The vast majority are taking jobs that the Americans don't want.

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What happened to JOBS JOBS JOBS? Why does the government want to give illegals a path to citizenship right now during a job shortage? American citizens should come first and there's too much competition for jobs as it is. Why make it worse?

How can you compete for a job that isn't paying a living wage? If you are an illegal here you are under a bit more pressure not only to buckle under but to accept any wage that is tossed at you. Please don't try to compare that to someone that is a citizen.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 6:18:47 AM

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Bullshit, you and your farmer friends love mexican workers cause you can pay them 40% less than an American. That ain't got nothing to do with how "hard" someone works. You and the farmers were/are living in an artificial economy. Thats going to come to an end. Pay a living wage and you will have all the workers you can stand.

What is a "living wage?" Numerically, what do you think a "living wage" should be?

It isn't about "living wages," or anything other than what wage is necessary to pay to attract the desired number of employees. You are defining a "living wage," and I'm saying the Market should decide the wage. If we were to stop illegal immigration (which I am in support of doing), and, thereby, ending under-the-table or illegal employment, those employers would have to raise their compensation rates. But, to force a "living wage" on employers based on today's prices ignores what that will do to the cost of goods to everyone. Most likely, the Market would rise high to a point somewhere between where it is now and what you would define as a "living wage."

Lowering the cost of goods also lowers what would be considered a "living wage."

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 6:30:40 AM

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We are saying the same thing. Take out the incentive to undercut the labor market with illegals or at the very least spend as much effort arresting business owners who cheat as we do poor mexicans.

Right now business owners have been able to keep wages artificially low and keep themselves from doing the dirty business of actually raising prices rather than try to make profit off of lower wages or using inferior products from overseas.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 9:32:13 AM

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We are saying the same thing. Take out the incentive to undercut the labor market with illegals or at the very least spend as much effort arresting business owners who cheat as we do poor mexicans.
Right now business owners have been able to keep wages artificially low and keep themselves from doing the dirty business of actually raising prices rather than try to make profit off of lower wages or using inferior products from overseas.

We are not saying the same thing, but similar things. You are talking about a "living wage" and I'm sure you have some idea of what that should be. I'm saying let the Market decide, but to take the illegal immigrants and the opportunity for under-Market wages off the table. I'm willing to be dollars to donuts that your "living wage" is higher than what the Market would set.

You are also calling for owners to raise prices? Really? What would that do to your "living wage?"

Not all products from overseas are inferior. And, the ones that use them apparently aren't having such troubles as people not buying their stuff because it's crap. If I'm out to use a tool and can't realistically see myself using it again, what is the sense behind my spending almost twice as much, in some cases, for American made, versus a cheaper import? Where is the value in that? 9 times out of 10, I'm going with the value approach for the job at hand. If I have the necessary funds to buy American, and the realistic value isn't way off, I'm going that route. If not, well, I'll go the cheaper route.

If companies can't show American made products are a better value than the less expensive imports, whose fault is that?

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 10:40:32 AM

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To the Op. It's called votes, votes, votes...Nothing else matters,,

exactly.. which is why the Rs are now wanting to jump on the bandwagon, cuz Obama got the majority of the Hispanic vote.. of course, that was one of his promises so now he has to do it (he should have done that in his first term tho).. Now he doesnt have much choice if he wants pave the way for the Ds to win the next election..

And too, the public opinion has swung more into wanting immigration reform and finding a way to allow basically law-abiding illegals to become legal..

I seriously have to be the one to point out "law-abiding illegals"..?

I said basically law-abiding.. meaning law abiding apart from overstaying or entering illegally.. meaning those without a criminal record (those with a criminal record would be law-breaking/criminal illegals).. see the difference???

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 10:53:26 AM

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Bullshit, you and your farmer friends love mexican workers cause you can pay them 40% less than an American. That ain't got nothing to do with how "hard" someone works. You and the farmers were/are living in an artificial economy. Thats going to come to an end. Pay a living wage and you will have all the workers you can stand.

The cheapest labor in the US is better than going to China or India or the 40% less than American mexican workers.. and that is slave prison labor.. and that is all legal.. Dont those prison slaves loaned out to corps also create an artificial economy? I find it strange that so many Americans just sorta turn a blind eye to that cheaper than cheap prison labor force and focus on mexican illegals..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/15/unicor-prison-labor_n_1778765.html

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 11:01:28 AM

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We are saying the same thing. Take out the incentive to undercut the labor market with illegals or at the very least spend as much effort arresting business owners who cheat as we do poor mexicans.
Right now business owners have been able to keep wages artificially low and keep themselves from doing the dirty business of actually raising prices rather than try to make profit off of lower wages or using inferior products from overseas.

We are not saying the same thing, but similar things. You are talking about a "living wage" and I'm sure you have some idea of what that should be. I'm saying let the Market decide, but to take the illegal immigrants and the opportunity for under-Market wages off the table. I'm willing to be dollars to donuts that your "living wage" is higher than what the Market would set.

You are also calling for owners to raise prices? Really? What would that do to your "living wage?"

Not all products from overseas are inferior. And, the ones that use them apparently aren't having such troubles as people not buying their stuff because it's crap. If I'm out to use a tool and can't realistically see myself using it again, what is the sense behind my spending almost twice as much, in some cases, for American made, versus a cheaper import? Where is the value in that? 9 times out of 10, I'm going with the value approach for the job at hand. If I have the necessary funds to buy American, and the realistic value isn't way off, I'm going that route. If not, well, I'll go the cheaper route.

If companies can't show American made products are a better value than the less expensive imports, whose fault is that?

So you are going limit the employee pool by taking out a good chunk of the lower wage work force and you think that the wage won't go up? Why do you suppose employers want the workers to be let in?

Yeah radical thinking. Raise prices to increase margins. Who would have thought of that. That will in turn give the employer more ability to give his workers more money....Which....wait for it.....they will spend on OTHER products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

In general, cheaper imported products are inferior. In your instance you are admitting the the inferior nature of the tool. You are buying on price strictly. Fine. One use, go cheap. How about on more used products. Most would pick the higher quality rather than the cheap.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 11:06:24 AM

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What happened to JOBS JOBS JOBS? Why does the government want to give illegals a path to citizenship right now during a job shortage? American citizens should come first and there's too much competition for jobs as it is. Why make it worse?

Are you assuming your government works for American citizens at large? It is wrong assumption, facts tell quite a different story. The government is not stupid, it is always useful to ask a question: who benefits?

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 11:36:27 AM

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Yeah radical thinking. Raise prices to increase margins. Who would have thought of that. That will in turn give the employer more ability to give his workers more money....Which....wait for it.....they will spend on OTHER products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Producers can only raise prices if there is sufficient demand. Without demand, raising prices often has the effect of lowering demand further which leads to increased inventory and worker layoff. Prices respond to demand. They cannot just be raised by fiat.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 11:52:24 AM

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We are saying the same thing. Take out the incentive to undercut the labor market with illegals or at the very least spend as much effort arresting business owners who cheat as we do poor mexicans.
Right now business owners have been able to keep wages artificially low and keep themselves from doing the dirty business of actually raising prices rather than try to make profit off of lower wages or using inferior products from overseas.

We are not saying the same thing, but similar things. You are talking about a "living wage" and I'm sure you have some idea of what that should be. I'm saying let the Market decide, but to take the illegal immigrants and the opportunity for under-Market wages off the table. I'm willing to be dollars to donuts that your "living wage" is higher than what the Market would set.
You are also calling for owners to raise prices? Really? What would that do to your "living wage?"
Not all products from overseas are inferior. And, the ones that use them apparently aren't having such troubles as people not buying their stuff because it's crap. If I'm out to use a tool and can't realistically see myself using it again, what is the sense behind my spending almost twice as much, in some cases, for American made, versus a cheaper import? Where is the value in that? 9 times out of 10, I'm going with the value approach for the job at hand. If I have the necessary funds to buy American, and the realistic value isn't way off, I'm going that route. If not, well, I'll go the cheaper route.
If companies can't show American made products are a better value than the less expensive imports, whose fault is that?

So you are going limit the employee pool by taking out a good chunk of the lower wage work force and you think that the wage won't go up? Why do you suppose employers want the workers to be let in?

Where did I say it wouldn't go up? Here is what I said: "I'm willing to be dollars to donuts that your "living wage" is higher than what the Market would set." And, raising prices is going to reduce the real wage increase anyway. What's the point of raising prices so you can raise wages? Do you want to be paid $8.00 so you can buy - ignoring taxes for this example - 4 loaves of decent $2 bread, or $16.00 so you can buy 4 loaves of decent $4 bread (that used to be $2)?

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Yeah radical thinking. Raise prices to increase margins. Who would have thought of that. That will in turn give the employer more ability to give his workers more money....Which....wait for it.....they will spend on OTHER products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Raising margins would be offset by paying more in wages. The cost of everything would go up. How is it you can't see that? Inflation occurs when you have an increase in money going after the same amount of goods. Prices rise to balance the supply/demand curves. Efficiency of Scale is still ruled by the Law of Diminishing Returns.

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In general, cheaper imported products are inferior. In your instance you are admitting the the inferior nature of the tool. You are buying on price strictly. Fine. One use, go cheap. How about on more used products. Most would pick the higher quality rather than the cheap.

I buy based on value. If I am looking for a one-time use, it's "get the cheapest item that satisfies that need." That applies to everything, buy the least expensive item that satisfies the perceived need. Our perceptions of need won't always match, and neither will our determination of the value of a good. That should be the basis of every purchase, provided there are funds to purchase whichever item passes the value test.

Hell, I'd love to have a house with enough solar panels and wind power generators to not be 100% dependent on the grid. The value of that option is huge, but the funds aren't there. I buy the least expensive item to fit the perceived need to maximize the use of my resources. I am going to assume you do the same without even thinking about it.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 1:35:37 PM

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Want people to hire more Americans?

Work as hard as Mexicans do.

Do that and employers will CREATE jobs for you.

LOL so true. I live in Arizona, and yes, they are very hard working (Cholos/Cholas don't count).

Immigrants in General tend to be hard working. I've mentioned on here before my Paternal Grandparents are from Esfahan, Persia (Iran). My Grandfather became an architectural engineer and my Grandmother a Chemist (they both came over as older children and was only by happenstance they met each other in their adult years). Their parents scrubbed floors and took shit. There was no "press 2 for Parsi" option then, but their parents persevered.

Another ethnic group that tends to be very hard working are Arabs. I don't generally see eye-to-eye with them much of the time, but they can WORK HARD.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 2:42:17 PM

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Yeah radical thinking. Raise prices to increase margins. Who would have thought of that. That will in turn give the employer more ability to give his workers more money....Which....wait for it.....they will spend on OTHER products!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Producers can only raise prices if there is sufficient demand. Without demand, raising prices often has the effect of lowering demand further which leads to increased inventory and worker layoff. Prices respond to demand. They cannot just be raised by fiat.

We've had wage and price controls before, such as during World War II. It seems that the government could control prices by fiat if necessary. I'm not sure that they should, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 3:35:36 PM

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Secondly, 100% employment has never been achieved in a free market economy; tiz just a demented Nativist fantasy. In the best of times 3% unemployment is considered "full employment." The current Fed has targeted 6% as acceptable for their mandate.

Gawd, why would they want full employment anyway? In situations of full employment the workforce has a great deal of extra bargaining power because a worker can't be replaced once sacked. Cue tremendous fear of increased wage demands. Free market, again - what can one do?

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RE: immigration reform during a job shortage - 1/30/2013 3:38:17 PM

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What happened to JOBS JOBS JOBS? Why does the government want to give illegals a path to citizenship right now during a job shortage? American citizens should come first and there's too much competition for jobs as it is. Why make it worse?

In Yakima (a small town east of Seattle) they grow apples, among other things.
Washington State apples are one of the largest fruit exports this country has.
Two years ago the federalis came in and sent all the Hispanics away. They actually got paid well, either by piece work or hourly, it came out to a smidge over $12.00 an hour.
Not all that spectacular if you live in downtown Chicago or Manhattan, but not too shabby in a town where a house sells for 70 grand.
The farmers were concerned naturally because who would pick the apples?
They raised the wages 30% the next year (and charged more for apples).
The result:
70% of the replacements that came in to take the jobs quit after the first few days and 30% of the crop rotted on the ground.
In my firm, 60% of the workers are Hispanics (all legal) and they're the hardest working motherfuckers I've ever hired.
Want people to hire more Americans?
Work as hard as Mexicans do.
Do that and employers will CREATE jobs for you.

I know of a company that has, under it's employ, several undocumented Mexicans. They have been here for years; many, years. The 16-18 year old Americans the company used to hire for seasonal work were lazy. would whine, piss and moan, and dragged their feet for everything. The Mexicans hired were more productive and hardworking, and there was no complaining. But, after being in American long enough, they have gotten more like Americans in their work ethic. That is, they have gotten lazier and have begun to lose all that made them better workers. In one supervisor's words, "they became Americanized."

I'm not sure if these kinds of generalizations are very helpful. I don't doubt that there are plenty of lazy Americans, but sometimes I think this stereotype tends to get spread on a bit too thick. I know plenty of hard-working Americans, as well as hard working immigrants from all over the world. Then there are those who are not so hard-working, both Americans and non-Americans.

One thing is that Americans generally have several options as to where they work, whereas Mexicans (especially if they're here illegally) may not have as many options. Even immigrants who are here legally would face more difficulty if they were fired from their job as opposed to an American getting fired from his/her job. They put up with more shit because they have to. Many of them may not know the system very well, may not know their rights - and some employers might take advantage of them. They're not able to get away with that as easily with Americans who know their rights and won't be inclined to being exploited or treated unfairly.

Despite the current job market, it's still relatively easy to find a low-paying job, so it's not like the low-wage employers are offering anything truly spectacular. I can't go into a store and buy a Coke for a dime anymore. Prices go up, but imagine me arguing with a store owner, "I DEMAND that you sell me this Coke for 10¢!" That's what some of these employers sound like, "Dammit! I'm paying these people 10¢ an hour, so I expect them to work their ASS off, those lazy bastards!" Who's going to put up with that, other than those who have no choice?

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