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There's remnants of a few middle eastern and Chinese boats that predate Christ cheerfully rotting away in museums, are there not?

yup but do ya not thunk wooden ships survivin' from 3000 bc are uncommon?

the remains of a 4000 year old ship were found in Egypt with timbers in good shape.

The flood of Noah supposedly took place about 2348 BCE, which means that the Egyptian pyramids and ruins are nothing more than holograms.

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
There's remnants of a few middle eastern and Chinese boats that predate Christ cheerfully rotting away in museums, are there not?

yup but do ya not thunk wooden ships survivin' from 3000 bc are uncommon?

the remains of a 4000 year old ship were found in Egypt with timbers in good shape.

The flood of Noah supposedly took place about 2348 BCE, which means that the Egyptian pyramids and ruins are nothing more than holograms.

sometimes wood survives in particular conditions but the exception rather than da rule. even if it survived it would still need ta be discovered so its absence cant be used against da story. thought the flood is dated between 3,200 an 2,900 BC.

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There's remnants of a few middle eastern and Chinese boats that predate Christ cheerfully rotting away in museums, are there not?

yup but do ya not thunk wooden ships survivin' from 3000 bc are uncommon?

the remains of a 4000 year old ship were found in Egypt with timbers in good shape.

The flood of Noah supposedly took place about 2348 BCE, which means that the Egyptian pyramids and ruins are nothing more than holograms.

sometimes wood survives in particular conditions but the exception rather than da rule. even if it survived it would still need ta be discovered so its absence cant be used against da story. thought the flood is dated between 3,200 an 2,900 BC.

If you take the time when the flood happened, about 1650 years after creation, and figure in the ages of the patriarchs, it ends up being around 2348 BCE.

Even if we take your period, between 3,200 and 2,900 BCE, we have a problem with the ruins of thriving civilizations that were growing since 4000 BCE with no break, add to that the early Egyptian ruins...

Which means that the ruins dated to the time of the flood are nothing but holograms projected by aliens to fool us.

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dunno how much da story is to be believed lol but 440 feet by 44 feet by 74 is kinda big

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an' maybe their understandin' of what was a species waz different

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Last year researchers at Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia released the most rigorous estimate yet of how many species live on our planet: 8.7 million, not counting bacteria. Nearly 6.5 million of these species live on land versus 2.2 million in the ocean, according to the analysis.

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The Toronto Zoo also ranks amongst the largest in the world, spanning over 700 acres and housing over 5,000 animals!

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wit some sayin' it can be done http://scofieldprophecystudies.org/Research/noahsark.htm

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dunno how much da story is to be believed lol but 440 feet by 44 feet by 74 is kinda big

Oh certainly a wooden vessel of that size built by a drunk is absurdly huge like within the realm of the ridiculous.

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an' maybe their understandin' of what was a species waz different

Doesn't matter what definition of species you want to use, without evolution if it exists on land it had to be on there.

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ORIGINAL: http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jan-feb/63#.URhqMvKPaSo
Last year researchers at Dalhousie University in Nova Scotia released the most rigorous estimate yet of how many species live on our planet: 8.7 million, not counting bacteria. Nearly 6.5 million of these species live on land versus 2.2 million in the ocean, according to the analysis.

So you've got to fit 6.5 million species onto a wooden boat which while unbelievably huge for a vessel of that type is a mere fraction of the size of our biggest zoos which are only capable of housing thousands of animals:

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The Toronto Zoo also ranks amongst the largest in the world, spanning over 700 acres and housing over 5,000 animals!

To do the math out for you that's 30,492,000 square feet putting this fictional 95,000 square foot boat to shame and yet the Toronto zoo only manages to hold a few thousand animals.

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wit some sayin' it can be done http://scofieldprophecystudies.org/Research/noahsark.htm

There are some "sayin'" that the earth is flat, doesn't make the claim any less stupid. It's really important to be able to distinguish between reliable sources and koolaid drinkers for Jesus.

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So you've got to fit 6.5 million species onto a wooden boat which while unbelievably huge for a vessel of that type is a mere fraction of the size of our biggest zoos which are only capable of housing thousands of animals...

There are some "sayin'" that the earth is flat, doesn't make the claim any less stupid. It's really important to be able to distinguish between reliable sources and koolaid drinkers for Jesus.

It's also important to distinguish between myth and reality. What's stupid is reading a myth as if it represented in all its particulars a literal truth; and then laughing like a jackass at the absurdity of it. Myths of a great flood are ubiquitous. Whether they reflect something archetypal in the human psyche, or whether they have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations, remains an open question. But one thing not in question is that believing them literally and dismissing them as bad science reflect an equal degree of ignorance.

K.

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you firing strawmen at me sez more bout yer own views of religion. [8|]

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dunno how much da story is to be believed lol

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Yes, I am aware of this effort to debunk the C14 equilibrium case. However there is no way you can expand the 30,000 years C14 equilibrium time over billions of years.

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So you've got to fit 6.5 million species onto a wooden boat which while unbelievably huge for a vessel of that type is a mere fraction of the size of our biggest zoos which are only capable of housing thousands of animals...

There are some "sayin'" that the earth is flat, doesn't make the claim any less stupid. It's really important to be able to distinguish between reliable sources and koolaid drinkers for Jesus.

It's also important to distinguish between myth and reality. What's stupid is reading a myth as if it represented in all its particulars a literal truth; and then laughing like a jackass at the absurdity of it. Myths of a great flood are ubiquitous. Whether they reflect something archetypal in the human psyche, or whether they have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations, remains an open question. But one thing not in question is that believing them literally and dismissing them as bad science reflect an equal degree of ignorance.

K.

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You are Immanuel Velikovsky

And you are a Moonhead. [:D]

K.

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Immanuel Velikovsky

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by the way Immanuel Velikovshi is an author.

Oh c'mon, gimme a little credit, everybody has heard of the famous "Velikovshi". [:D]

K.

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by the way Immanuel Velikovshi is an author.

Oh c'mon, gimme a little credit, everybody has heard of the famous "Velikovshi". [:D]

Not you

You got that right. In fact, I'll bet nobody has except you.

K.

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Immanuel Velikovshi work has been contraverisal...

Isn't it a little early in the day for cocktails?

K.

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So you've got to fit 6.5 million species onto a wooden boat which while unbelievably huge for a vessel of that type is a mere fraction of the size of our biggest zoos which are only capable of housing thousands of animals...

There are some "sayin'" that the earth is flat, doesn't make the claim any less stupid. It's really important to be able to distinguish between reliable sources and koolaid drinkers for Jesus.

It's also important to distinguish between myth and reality. What's stupid is reading a myth as if it represented in all its particulars a literal truth; and then laughing like a jackass at the absurdity of it. Myths of a great flood are ubiquitous. Whether they reflect something archetypal in the human psyche, or whether they have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations, remains an open question. But one thing not in question is that believing them literally and dismissing them as bad science reflect an equal degree of ignorance.

K.

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So you've got to fit 6.5 million species onto a wooden boat which while unbelievably huge for a vessel of that type is a mere fraction of the size of our biggest zoos which are only capable of housing thousands of animals...

There are some "sayin'" that the earth is flat, doesn't make the claim any less stupid. It's really important to be able to distinguish between reliable sources and koolaid drinkers for Jesus.

It's also important to distinguish between myth and reality. What's stupid is reading a myth as if it represented in all its particulars a literal truth; and then laughing like a jackass at the absurdity of it. Myths of a great flood are ubiquitous. Whether they reflect something archetypal in the human psyche, or whether they have come down to us from a distant time when peoples around the world experienced catastrophic inundations, remains an open question. But one thing not in question is that believing them literally and dismissing them as bad science reflect an equal degree of ignorance.

K.

Can somebody explain to the guy that he's off topic. This is a thread about creationists who have a very literal belief in the factuality of these fictional stories, a position which he acknowledges is really stupid.